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Alien Outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#72918 Jan 28, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
I would be scared if I'm confronted by an alien. It's bad enough that I had a dream about them. lol. We are not products of just one God. I believe there are beings from different dimensions whether they take the form of spirits, angels, or aliens. They're all at work here.
I agree Cybele. Our encounter was on a level of pure amazement. Was it God/Angels in that craft? Was it the Govt? Was it infact Aliens or a probe with the Mother ship close by? Don't know. We have discussed many options that lead to the same conclusion........Humans will never know and don't want to know. Labeled nuts, wackjobs, on numerous substances, hallucinating, dreaming, swamp gas.....on and on. It has changed our outlook on life. Knowing that someone or something can have such control over the human body is terrifying at all levels.

Since: Apr 12

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#72919 Jan 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>.
The Merneptah Stele (with a E not an A) does appear to refer to Israel though who or where is subject to some debate. It's in the Cairo Museum. I saw it when I was there. Impressive.

Haven't seen your reference for the House of David. Care to share?
No problem

http://www.seeking4truth.com/historical_accur...

I have also seen a program on PBS on this find. So there is a DVD on it.

"Recent archeological investigations have demolished the position of those who rejected the biblical account of Israel's kings such as King David. In 1993, archeologists digging at Tel Dan in the Galilee in northern Israel found a fragment of a stone inscription that clearly refers to the "house of David" and identifies David as the "king of Israel." This is the first inscription outside the Bible that confirms the Bible's statement that David was the king of Israel in the ninth century before Christ."

"In addition to the archeological evidence for King David, we now have confirmation of other kings of Israel. The name of Omri, king of Israel, is recorded on an inscription known as the Stela of King Mesha of Moab. In addition, Omri's name appears on the rock inscriptions of three kings of Assyria, the annals of both Tiglath-Pileser III and Sargon II, and the Black Obelisk of King Shalmaneser III, who wrote, "I conquered ... all of the Land of Omri (Israel)." Other Assyrian inscriptions found in Nineveh confirm the Bible's records about these kings of Israel: Ahab, Jehu, Joash, Menehem, Pekah, and Hoshea. In addition, the names of many of the kings of the southern kingdom of Judah are also recorded on inscriptions of the nations that fought against the Jews. The inscriptions found by archeologists also confirm the names of these kings of Judah: Ahaziah, Uzziah, Ahaz, Hezekiah, Manasseh, and Jehoiachin. Scholars found ration records of the army of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon (606 to 562 B.C.) that state, "ten sila of oil to Jehoiachin, king of Judah...." Obviously, the fact that these foreign nations listed the kings of Israel and Judah provides the strongest evidence confirming the accuracy of the Word of God.

Historicity of other Biblical Personalities

One of the most interesting discoveries in recent years was the finding of two bull', or clay seals, that bear the impression of the actual seal used by Baruch, the scribe of Jeremiah the prophet who transcribed the Book of Jeremiah. Both bull' bear the inscription, "Belonging to Berekhyahu, son of Neriyahu, the Scribe." One of these clay seals is on view in the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. However, the second bull' was found in Jerusalem earlier in this century and purchased by collector Shlomo Moussaieff of London who owns the greatest private collection of ancient Jewish inscriptions in the world. This second clay seal, bearing the same inscription, also reveals a fingerprint that probably belonged to Baruch."

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#72920 Jan 28, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>This from the person that wins by redefining everything and changing the goal posts and the playing field.
"Debunking:
noun
1: what one does when they roll over and see KK in the bunk with them."

You didn't like this?

Since: Apr 12

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#72921 Jan 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>What a nice selective memory you have there!

"The Curse of Ham" was used throughout the slavery days in the US as justification for keeping African-Americans as property, at times torturing, raping and even murdering them. During this time, they were counted as 3/5's of a person for census-keeping.

Charlemagne in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded.

Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children).
(In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude").

Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings.

From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand.
in the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.

Martin Luther....Yeah, THAT Martin Luther, founder of the Protestant movement. He wrote a book in 1543 entitled "On the Jews and Their Lies".

Some highlights:

Lutheradvises Christians to carry out seven remedial actions. These are:

1.for Jewish synagogues and schools to be burned to the ground, and the remnants buried out of sight;
2.for houses owned by Jews to be likewise razed, and the owners made to live in agricultural outbuildings;
3.for their religious writings to be taken away;
4.for rabbis to be forbidden to preach, and to be executed if they do;
5.for safe conduct on the roads to be abolished for Jews;
6.for usury to be prohibited, and for all silver and gold to be removed and "put aside for safekeeping"; and
7.for the Jewish population to be put to work as agricultural slave labor.

Four hundred years after it was written, the Nazis displayed "On the Jews and Their Lies" during Nuremberg rallies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_...

How about the conquest of the New World? "Good, fine Christian folk" subjugated indigenous peoples all over the world 'In the Name of God'.

The indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell."
What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive."
Or, on another occasion:
"The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs."

<<and much, MUCH more>>

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
Really?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#72922 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
Do you deny what I presented?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#72923 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers, the fact that some of the Bible is correct does not mean that all of the Bible is correct. For example there probably was a King David. Maybe even a Solomon, but that is about as far back as the Bible goes with any accuracy. After that it is all tall tales and fables. If you notice as a rule the tales get less tall the more recent the Bible is, in the Old Testament at least.

Now the New Testament breaks out a whole new series of miracles, and yet there are no records of any of the people of that time that saw those miracles, other than from Christian sources. We know that they were still a small minority when Jesus was crucified. Why didn't any nonbelievers write about the weird things they saw?

Since: Apr 12

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#72924 Jan 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>Do you deny what I presented?
Not at all.

Since: Apr 12

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#72925 Jan 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Langoliers, the fact that some of the Bible is correct does not mean that all of the Bible is correct. For example there probably was a King David. Maybe even a Solomon, but that is about as far back as the Bible goes with any accuracy. After that it is all tall tales and fables. If you notice as a rule the tales get less tall the more recent the Bible is, in the Old Testament at least.

Now the New Testament breaks out a whole new series of miracles, and yet there are no records of any of the people of that time that saw those miracles, other than from Christian sources. We know that they were still a small minority when Jesus was crucified. Why didn't any nonbelievers write about the weird things they saw?
Maybe they did. You know how pens and papers were back then. They might not have used page protectors.
bohart

Newport, TN

#72926 Jan 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Artificial selection. Selective breeding. Perhaps you've heard of it.
Hitler believed the Germans were the master what,builders ,no , thinkers, no,fishermen no...oh yeah the master race! Maybe you've heard of that.
bohart

Newport, TN

#72927 Jan 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
He's heard of it, he just didn't understand it the first few hundred times.
Here monkey , here monkey, take the penicilin.

“Don't be mad at me.”

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#72928 Jan 28, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>I agree Cybele. Our encounter was on a level of pure amazement. Was it God/Angels in that craft? Was it the Govt? Was it infact Aliens or a probe with the Mother ship close by? Don't know. We have discussed many options that lead to the same conclusion........Humans will never know and don't want to know. Labeled nuts, wackjobs, on numerous substances, hallucinating, dreaming, swamp gas.....on and on. It has changed our outlook on life. Knowing that someone or something can have such control over the human body is terrifying at all levels.
You have got to get help.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#72929 Jan 28, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. Your claim is that archaeological sites support the Bible, and the Egyptians outnumber you in that regard. By a mile. 40 cities, 116 pyramids, numerous temples and burial sites both royal and civilian...

Langoliers wrote, "It's only been written in the Bible for over 1600 years. It's called validation of the Bible in case your interested. "

And obviously you never heard of Higher Criticism, whereby Christian scholars critiqued the Bible during the 16th & 17th centuries to see how much of it matched up with known history. They found that some did, some didn't, and the rest couldn't be verified. Especially the magic bits.

But all of this is superfluous to the fact that all the archaeology in the world is not evidence of invisible Jewmagic.
You do not seem to understand that I don't need someone to tell me what I believe. I believe the Bible as I read it.
Makes no difference what you think you have against the Bible. See I also know how Satan works.

Gods word is like sowing seeds, some sprout and gets choked out by weeds some lands on rocks and never takes root while some lands in fertile land and produces a bumper crop.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#72930 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not seem to understand that I don't need someone to tell me what I believe. I believe the Bible as I read it.
Makes no difference what you think you have against the Bible. See I also know how Satan works.
Gods word is like sowing seeds, some sprout and gets choked out by weeds some lands on rocks and never takes root while some lands in fertile land and produces a bumper crop.
So everything is a giant conspiracy to you just to make you look like a fool?

“Don't be mad at me.”

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#72931 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
"Debunking:
noun
1: what one does when they roll over and see KK in the bunk with them."
You didn't like this?
I thought it was amusing. About the only thing of interest that you may have ever written. It still doesn't change the fact that you are one of those dishonest naysayers that likes to redifine a term to a point where you can get out of bed with the KK so to speak. Anyone can do it. It isn't a triumphant achievement of intellecutal prowess. Very much the opposite.

So far, I have been as unimpressed with you as I have with KOB, MattedHair, FreeService, marksmonkey, Shoo Bee and that weirdo the underwear whisperer. And lest I forget "god himself-absorbed."

According to you all God did it. Science is bad or at least the parts you don't like. Every word of the Bible is true even the contradictory parts, the errors, and the completely abstract. Apparently when God dictated it, he made sure to leave out a whole bunch of stuff that you are now left to backfill with conjecture that you magically claim as fact. Why God probably air conditioned the Ark and automated the animal management system. All that energy released by 40 days of rain capable of inundating the whole planet was just magically whisped away by the breath of the Lord. The scribes just fell asleep during that part and it didn't get included along with dinosaurs, the real age of the earth, and the answers to all that nasty science you hate. I am glad they included the part with the talking snake trying to seduce the naked woman. It has my freudian side all atingle.

Now you and the rest of your ilk come on here with unsupported claims that require a back-breaking suspension of disbelief in order to accept it. It is all very amusing.

“Don't be mad at me.”

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#72932 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not seem to understand that I don't need someone to tell me what I believe. I believe the Bible as I read it.
Makes no difference what you think you have against the Bible. See I also know how Satan works.
Gods word is like sowing seeds, some sprout and gets choked out by weeds some lands on rocks and never takes root while some lands in fertile land and produces a bumper crop.
I was raised that Satan works through people like you.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#72933 Jan 28, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler believed the Germans were the master what,builders ,no , thinkers, no,fishermen no...oh yeah the master race! Maybe you've heard of that.
You mean the Hitler who said :[quote] "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[/quote]

Or the Hitler who said:[quote]I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.[/quote]

- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941

Hitler was definitely not an atheist, nor did he believe the theory of evolution. Darwin's and related works were on the burn list.

Since theistically he was more on your side than the atheist side I would be careful about trying to use Hitler as a weapon against evolution.

“Don't be mad at me.”

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#72934 Jan 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not seem to understand that I don't need someone to tell me what I believe. I believe the Bible as I read it.
Makes no difference what you think you have against the Bible. See I also know how Satan works.
Gods word is like sowing seeds, some sprout and gets choked out by weeds some lands on rocks and never takes root while some lands in fertile land and produces a bumper crop.
Afterall the lord of liars would come dripping honey and promising much if you only you don't ask any questions and ignore the things that don't fit any facts.

I'd say that sounds about right.
bohart

Newport, TN

#72935 Jan 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean the Hitler who said :[quote] "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[/quote]
Or the Hitler who said:[quote]I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.[/quote]
- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
Hitler was definitely not an atheist, nor did he believe the theory of evolution. Darwin's and related works were on the burn list.
Since theistically he was more on your side than the atheist side I would be careful about trying to use Hitler as a weapon against evolution.
Well true to form you don't know what the hell your talking about .Hitler even had a list of where the races were on the scale.Number one were the Aryans, 2. were the nordic type peoples, whites in general , then the asians with, followed by colors,blacks then jews.Hitler didn't give a shit about the church or christians,ask Dietrich Bonhoffer.
bohart

Newport, TN

#72936 Jan 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean the Hitler who said :[quote] "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[/quote]
Or the Hitler who said:[quote]I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.[/quote]
- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
Hitler was definitely not an atheist, nor did he believe the theory of evolution. Darwin's and related works were on the burn list.
Since theistically he was more on your side than the atheist side I would be careful about trying to use Hitler as a weapon against evolution.
Lord your a dumbass, taking Hitler at his word, Ha,Ha,Ha. Didn't the Russians and the English do that?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#72937 Jan 28, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Well true to form you don't know what the hell your talking about .Hitler even had a list of where the races were on the scale.Number one were the Aryans, 2. were the nordic type peoples, whites in general , then the asians with, followed by colors,blacks then jews.Hitler didn't give a shit about the church or christians,ask Dietrich Bonhoffer.
You idiot, you don't ask the enemy of a man what he believed. Of course he is going to deny that Hitler was a Christian. Yes, Hitler was a racist. Did he believe the theory of evolution? No. I can find many quotes of Hitler's where he is either claiming belief in God or supporting churches. He hated atheists and evolutionists.

Hey!!! That is just like you.

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