Evolution vs. Creation

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“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

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#71640 Jan 22, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Oh I'm quite aware that microevolution does happen.
No need to keep pushing that issue.
Turning on or off genes that God has created is not a miracle.
Education failure.

Microevolution is not "turning on or off ... genes."

(God's genes - what a joke! Thanks, that was funny.)

Microevolution is a change in gene frequencies in a gene pool, over time. That happens through gene flow, mutation, genetic drift, random assorted mating, and so on. Changes are additive over time, hence gene pools increasingly diverge as time passes, producing what we humans categorize as macroevolution. However, there really is no difference between the two - macroevolution is simply microevolution + time. It's a pretty simple concept. Only someone with religious blinders on can't understand it.

I have a question for you that you've never answered. Your education in biological science is amazingly poor. Unbelievably poor. Yet you have no problems pronouncing untrue nonsense as if you have some kind of special knowledge. And you never back up your nonsense with real scientific articles, of course because science doesn't support your delusions.

Why do you believe your ignorance can stand for knowledge?

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#71642 Jan 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Education faaaaaaiiiiiillllluuuuurrreeee e.
YOU FAIL

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#71643 Jan 22, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Can anyone guess where I came from? lol
Your father's testicles, and your mother's ovaries.

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#71644 Jan 22, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Created kinds are organisms that are defined by creation biology as sharing a common ancestry. The phrase refers to the Genesis account of the creation week during which God created many kind
bwaaahahahahahaha, I nearly spit out my coffee, that's soooooo funny!

How do you produce hypotheses from your "paradigm" there, Langoliers? How do you test anything? How do you produce new knowledge or technology from your useless belief system?

hahahahahahaha

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#71645 Jan 22, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Tommy that's so funny! What a card you are.
'cause you can't answer him. No way a ship could fit 2 of every species on the planet on it. Unless they were frozen as sperm and ova.

The Flood never happened. If it did, we would be able to trace every species back to 2 individuals at exactly the time of the Flood.

Since almost all species on the planet show great genetic diversity - stretching back hundreds of thousands of years in most cases - objectively proves the Biblical Flood did not happen.

There are also all kinds of geology and physics reasons it objectively didn't happen as well.

But, seeing as how you know nothing of science, and are a science denier, you're just going to stupidly dismiss this, too.

You have convinced me that creationism is damaging to the human mind. You were a child once and now you are delusional - that's child abuse. Your parents are at fault for teaching you this nonsense.

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#71646 Jan 22, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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What makes me special is something I don't understand.
The chances of you happening is 1 in 2 trillion.

Well done!

And that chance is based on who your mother and father are/were. So...you, as a body and mind can never happen again. Unless your parents have 2 trillion more babies.
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#71647 Jan 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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So you have loosely covered the reproduction species concept and the niche species concept.
The niche one doesn't work when examined, because niches aren't real. They're created by species who favor exploiting parts of the environment over all others. Selection then favors those individuals who are better at exploiting that one part of the environment and runaway natural selection produces a specialist species. This especially happens when like species are living in the same geographic area - they specialize in order to not compete with each other (a more accurate way of saying this is that natural selection favors individuals who are specialists if there are other specialists around).
But the niche didn't exist before the species as a separatable thing from the overall environment. The species produced that by creating a resource and then monopolizing it.
So niche is really a shorthand for saying "the specific part of the environment exploited by a species."
The reproductive species concept doesn't work too well, either, b/c lots of species can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Ruffed grouse and sprouse grouse, white tail deer and mule deer, and on and on. In the laboratory, lots of species can produce offspring that otherwise wouldn't b/c of mating practices or social behavior - hamadryas baboons and olive baboons, for example, various birds, lizards, salamanders, etc.
So a species not necessarily bounded by reproduction; gene flow can happen between closely related species. Moreover, all free living species have parasites and pathogens that sometimes inject their DNA into the species' gene pool.
How can we call a species a bounded unit if it's DNA can change through transposons and mutagens?
Well, we cannot. Species are best defined through a DNA centered framework. Species are loosely bounded gene pools that can be invaded by outside DNA, through gene flow and pathogens, and mutation.
When you understand this rather difficult concept, then the fossil record becomes clear. Species are loosely bounded gene pools traveling through time, changing over time - they are dynamic and not static, they are loosely bounded and not perfect.
A niche is a work place in the chain of life....

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#71648 Jan 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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'cause you can't answer him. No way a ship could fit 2 of every species on the planet on it. Unless they were frozen as sperm and ova.
The Flood never happened. If it did, we would be able to trace every species back to 2 individuals at exactly the time of the Flood.
Since almost all species on the planet show great genetic diversity - stretching back hundreds of thousands of years in most cases - objectively proves the Biblical Flood did not happen.
There are also all kinds of geology and physics reasons it objectively didn't happen as well.
But, seeing as how you know nothing of science, and are a science denier, you're just going to stupidly dismiss this, too.
You have convinced me that creationism is damaging to the human mind. You were a child once and now you are delusional - that's child abuse. Your parents are at fault for teaching you this nonsense.
The Biblical flood DID happen i saw it, all the animals were on the TITANIC.

Like a MF'in BOSS

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#71649 Jan 22, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Cybele:
"The definition of micro and macro-evolution from that link is incorrect or misused. lol"
That link was Berkeley's evolution teams web page.
Yes. And for some strange reason you are claiming that the entire science department at Berkeley is wrong about evolution. And not just that science department, but every single science department at every single top university in the entire world.

In fact, I cannot imagine that a university could be "creationist," and certainly not a biological science department. The closest any biologists come is the ID movement - and there's less than a handful of them who are a disgrace to their departments. Michael Behe, for example - his own department has a paragraph declaring his silly ideas about ID non-scientific. And he hasn't produced a real research based scientific article in quite a few years.

See? You are delusional.

You proclaim that others cannot argue with Berkeley and then you take a stance that no biological department at any university takes - in fact, you proclaim that they are all wrong, despite all their evidence, and that your religion's silly idea, based on an ancient mythological text, is somehow correct.

Totally delusional.

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#71650 Jan 22, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>A niche is a work place in the chain of life....
I really didn't think you'd get it. No worries. Someone did.

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#71651 Jan 22, 2013
Combat-Wombat-88 wrote:
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YOU FAIL
at being an uneducated creationist, yes. Yes I do!

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Since: May 08

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#71652 Jan 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Fins came first, then legs.
Creatures came first, then eggs.
That is just disgusting... I never understood how people could get into bestiality.

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#71653 Jan 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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at being an uneducated creationist, yes. Yes I do!
NO you fail at life

The world was obviously created 200 years ago by pirate space aliens. Duh!
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#71654 Jan 22, 2013
WORK or the Whole Organizational Range of KInds theory is an orgainzational theory which is an explanation of how ecological systems work in relation to SCP concept.

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#71655 Jan 22, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>That is just disgusting... I never understood how people could get into bestiality.
What the hell?????????? Why bring that up you sick ba$t@rd!

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#71656 Jan 22, 2013
The date of cheetah bottleneck is estimated to be 10,000 to 12,000 years ago.
Yet even today, cheetahs are virtual twins of each other.

If a bottleneck could create that much uniformity in a species for that long, then imagine the results of a world flood leaving 8 humans, 7 of every clean species, and 2 of every unclean species, and taking place only 4500 years ago.

Yet we have dark people, light people, tall people, and short people. We have Great Danes, chihuahuas, and cocker spaniels, which probably could not have been bred if the World Flood took place.

Either the scientists are wrong about the cheetah bottleneck or they are right about the Flood.

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#71657 Jan 22, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
The date of cheetah bottleneck is estimated to be 10,000 to 12,000 years ago.
Yet even today, cheetahs are virtual twins of each other.
If a bottleneck could create that much uniformity in a species for that long, then imagine the results of a world flood leaving 8 humans, 7 of every clean species, and 2 of every unclean species, and taking place only 4500 years ago.
Yet we have dark people, light people, tall people, and short people. We have Great Danes, chihuahuas, and cocker spaniels, which probably could not have been bred if the World Flood took place.
Either the scientists are wrong about the cheetah bottleneck or they are right about the Flood.
Cheetahs aren't actual big cats, they don't belong to the Panthera genus. Do you know that cheetahs can run at 900 miles per hour????? Thats quick

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#71658 Jan 22, 2013
Combat-Wombat-88 wrote:
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What the hell?????????? Why bring that up you sick ba$t@rd!
I guess I used the wrong meaning for came in HFY's comment. My bad.

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#71659 Jan 22, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
"Evolution at different scales: micro to macro
by the Understanding Evolution team
Evolution encompasses changes of vastly different scales — from something as insignificant as an increase in the frequency of the gene for dark wings in beetles from one generation to the next, to something as grand as the evolution and radiation of the dinosaur lineage. These two extremes represent classic examples of micro- and macroevolution.
Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:"
FYI No one is better the me.
I sure hope Berkeley does not upset you too much. Ah, not really I do hope it raises you blood pressure.
There is no proof of macro evolution.
Never happened never will.
Yes there is, there is considerable evidence for macroevolution, what is the real problem is that goddidit bots have nothing to hang onto so they lie

Im sure we have argued this before and I have presented evidence that you appear to have ignored, why am I not surprised?

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#71660 Jan 22, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I guess I used the wrong meaning for came in HFY's comment. My bad.
LIKE A BOSS!

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