Evolution vs. Creation

[neutral observer]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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Uh...is the above a joke?

Pretty much everything I post is sarcastic in tone... but no.

Laws against homosexuality are not really aimed at them. Their real intent is to discourage the far larger latent bisexual community from exploring their true sexual identities.

The government has little interest in what gay people do.

[neutral observer]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

<quoted text>The God of the Bible is THE one who brought ALL things into existence in THE beginning. He could see the end from the beginning when it all started. We may not have the reasoning capacity to understand this.

As dumb as that theory is any chimp would have more than enough reasoning capacity to see the holes in it. The Bible was written down by semi-literate wandering nomads in the Middle Eastern desert over many centuries.

To imagine it even has a coherent message to it is...

[neutral observer]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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Massive genetic diversity is produced when a population is growing at a rapid rate.

You are more specifically describing the strengthened effects of genetic drift and natural selection on small populations - but genetic diversity itself grows fastest in populations that are under high growth. Genetic diversity is lost most quickly in small populations, though you can have high rates of evolution in these populations because genetic drift becomes stronger and, under severe environmental conditions, natural selection is likewise severe.

My point was that genetic diversity leads to stagnation. A species will never evolve and improve upon itself unless it is through isolated small populations. That is how evolution works and how new species come into being.

After one of those mass extinction events there is always a scramble where the surviving species compete to fill all the new ecological niches. Evolution is intelligent design. Nothing random about it. It is all about nature modifying creatures to match the environmental conditions.

[FREE SERVANT]

neutral observer wrote:

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My point was that genetic diversity leads to stagnation. A species will never evolve and improve upon itself unless it is through isolated small populations. That is how evolution works and how new species come into being.
After one of those mass extinction events there is always a scramble where the surviving species compete to fill all the new ecological niches. Evolution is intelligent design. Nothing random about it. It is all about nature modifying creatures to match the environmental conditions.

Don't you think the creatures are given the tools withn their own makeup to change if needed to match the outlined niche?

[FREE SERVANT]

neutral observer wrote:

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Who brought him into existence? Who was God's creator? Did he poof himself into being too? Something had to come before...
You can not make a God out of nothing.

I think the Genesis of the Bible was the beginnng of all things.

[MAAT]

anonymous wrote:

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Well, I could have said it that way but it wouldn't generate sympathy! We all were kids once. I can respect the job of raising them. Throw in the tax and insurance breaks and I'm ready to toss out the fifth commandment.

Frankly i.m.o. the fifth one means to recall were you came from, tribal affiliation, even if by adoption.
'Do unto others as they do unto you'...in mind.
So if parents are a royal pain there is no need to be all respectfull.
Especially given such practices of kids heaving to work of the debts their parents incurred.
According to Roman law this was however only allowed thrice.

Reminds me of the Finnish system where trafic fines can be passed on to the next generation. To be paid when they reach official adulthood. Leaving some kids with staggering debts when they should frankly start building their own future.

[MAAT]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

<quoted text>I think the Genesis of the Bible was the beginnng of all things.

According to the hebrew oral law, one year went before, as well as several qualities and f.i. the sun and the moon.

[Thomas Robertson]

neutral observer wrote:
Who brought him into existence? Who was God's creator? Did he poof himself into being too? Something had to come before...
You can not make a God out of nothing.

Free Servant wrote:
I think the Genesis of the Bible was the beginnng of all things.

You mean the Genesis of the Bible was the beginning of God?
That's what neutral observer is asking about.

[Thomas Robertson]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

Don't you think the creatures are given the tools withn their own makeup to change if needed to match the outlined niche?

That's one of Jonathan Sarfati's greatest hits.
He allows for change in a species or variety if the "information" is there.
He gives the example of a potential Great Dane, German shepherd, or chihuahua being programmed into the first wolf that God created.

For the life of me, I can't find a definition of "information" anywhere in his writings.
If we look into the biochemistry of a lifeform living today, where can we find the information on what it can change into and what it cannot?

[Hidingfromyou]

Thomas Robertson wrote:

I don't have the documentation with me, but I read somewhere that animal subjects do all sorts of unpleasant things in overpopulation experiments.
They fight, they murder, they molest juveniles, and guess what--they practice homosexuality!
I tried Googling "animal homosexuality overpopulation."
I got lots of Websites listed, but I couldn't get into any of them.
(China's Internet service is as crummy as all get out.)
If someone else could perform such a search and tell me what you get, I would appreciate it--whether I'm wrong or right.

aka "the lemming effect" (which was a Disney hoax, where they chased lemmings off a cliff and filmed it as if they were suiciding b/c of high population numbers).

High population no's in confined areas leads to stress and violence. It also allows you to observe unusual behavior, since there are more animals to view.

[Hidingfromyou]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

<quoted text>SCP theory is a good replacement.

What's SCP theory?

[Islamic Scientist]

Creation can be proved.. many scientist prove DNA code, relativity theory, big bang, etc.. evolution theory have weakness in many side :)

[Hidingfromyou]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

Darwin was wrong when he concluded that the forces of change acting on any population of organisms were only competition, desease, climate, etc, and that they resulted in the survival of those more fitted to the environment. A species is engaged and made use of in a paricular activity that is a suitable place or position for the kind to function to do work within a given ecological system. Each kind or species has instructional constituents within their makeup to allow for change if needs be to function. The instructions are provided as templates or patterns which produce copies through cycling. SCPID/SEED/WORK theory is a group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for diversity of life known today as well as functioning of all natural systems eveywhere throughout our known uinverse.

Sorry, but you don't make a good critique here.

Try explaining what a species is and you'll see where your argument fails.

[Hidingfromyou]

anonymous wrote:

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You're missing the point though. Law is largely about enforcement. If you're just a sailor without legal means, the norm is about what you can get away with. Taking chances is the norm.

So...your argument is that homosexual rape is bad? Sure, I agree. So is heterosexual rape.

[Islamic Scientist]

man n universe cannot exist without beginning..
God as The Creator has no beginning and end..
we cannot makes an image like a human or all things.. not the same

[Hidingfromyou]

neutral observer wrote:

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Non heterosexuals only exist in a western cultural perspective? Hmmmm. If you say so.
Must be why our birth rates are so much lower.

That's not how I phrased it. I wrote that the construction of sexuality in Western culture is through sexual identities - mainly hetero and homo, but also bisexuality is tossed in on occasion.

From a Western cultural point of view, everyone from other cultures where sexuality was different would be non-heterosexual.

[Islamic Scientist]

God is different from all things we can imagine..
God can see us but we never see God.. we only can see all things, but we can think from all creature that proved there is A Creator :)

[Islamic Scientist]

darwin (darwinism) was absolutely wrong perception to understand reality in correct way..i mean it

[Hidingfromyou]

neutral observer wrote:

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Pretty much everything I post is sarcastic in tone... but no.
Laws against homosexuality are not really aimed at them. Their real intent is to discourage the far larger latent bisexual community from exploring their true sexual identities.
The government has little interest in what gay people do.

It may not have interest now, but it sure did 50-80 years ago.

And...why would the gov't care about bisexuals?

[Drew Smith]

anonymous wrote:

Red hair is going to be red, no matter how you behave. That's no analogy.

And gay people are going to be attracted to members of the same sex, no matter how they behave. The analogy stands.

anonymous wrote:

Do you want to complain about the creation of the word "deviant" as a hate crime?

No, I want to point out that your use of the word "deviant" to describe gays is one more point of evidence toward your being a homophobe.

anonymous wrote:

I'm surprised to think that Maryland has that high a population but it doesn't change much.

It makes you wrong.

anonymous wrote:

3 out of 50 states and, let's face it, the population centers are New York and California.

And same-sex couples can have their marriages legally recognized in New York. According to polls conducted in New York, 63% of those polled want that to be the law.

Polls in California show more people favoring the legal recognition of same-sex marriage than opposing it.

anonymous wrote:

No matter how you add the numbers, they don't represent a revolution.

The numbers represent a trend that continues to favor those who support the legal recognition of same-sex marriage.

anonymous wrote:

as far as unconventional methods of gratification are concerned, you can't win that one.

So you know as little about sex as you do about geography?