Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71262 Jan 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Cool, cool.
I'd like to first state that the main thrust of my posts was to dismiss the claim that same sex sexual behavior (homosexuality in Western cultures) is a mental disorder,....
I completely disagree with the claim that gays don't recruit. Gays do try to "convert" or, at least like most tender male egos, get all blustery when confronted with rejection.

I've already said MY politics is about prejudice against single people who are in the minority, but close to becoming the majority. Marriage is about financial incentives to raise kids from the State's perspective. The church influences the State in an unconstitutional way and a lot proceeds from there.

Prejudice in the workplace becomes prejudice in the ability to afford healthcare which becomes prejudice in insurance rates. I can understand the rationalization for demanding marriage. I just resent the idea of having the minority take on tax burdens for the majority, and the hypocrisy of demanding inclusion in church based prejudice.

Other than those reasons, I have had little to say on the subject other than that I find homosexuality trivial compared to other forms of discrimination. Most people hear the word discrimination and they immediately think "whiny, litigious, American Black. There is some truth to that stereotype but there is also truth that being Black is not something you can hide.

For my part, I somewhat take exception to that simple attitude towards justice. A person is who they are on the inside too. I know that I can say that married men get preferential treatment in the workplace and suddenly every issue that I bring up is written off as whining. Well, "rocking the boat" is taboo in this economy but it is the very nature of change. For better or for worse, change WILL happen so it's best to listen and consider change that is for the collective betterment.

People don't like to be around those who are strange to them. It's human nature and the "melting pot" concept is unsound. Diversity is the result of evolution, not self-expression. THAT is how this whole debate becomes linked together into a circle of necessary scientific discipline, not just leveraging one's politics by claiming evolution as being on the side of righteousness. So really, consider the value of marriage in it's entirety and ask yourself if it is just a relic of old prejudices.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#71263 Jan 18, 2013
So how do gay people go about "recruiting"? I can see a military type recruitment office with posters and everything: "It's a man's life being Gau!" and other such propaganda.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#71264 Jan 18, 2013
Wolfganged wrote:
<quoted text>
No, no sarcasm inended. I think gay marriage is overdue.
Sorry, sorry, not you. Me. The sarcasm was mine, in the post you were replying to - I apologize. Please see above.

Like you, I think gay marriage is long overdue.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#71265 Jan 18, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I agree too. Fundamentalists seem to have a fascination with what others do with their junk.
And...

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#71266 Jan 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Cool, cool.
I'd like to first state that the main thrust of my posts was to dismiss the claim that same sex sexual behavior (homosexuality in Western cultures) is a mental disorder,..
anonymous wrote:
I completely disagree with the claim that gays don't recruit. Gays do try to "convert" or, at least like most tender male egos, get all blustery when confronted with rejection.
What part of what you quoted from me implies that I argued gays don't recruit?

Are you referring to me explaining to you that if gay marriage were state sanctioned, you'd stay a heterosexual? I'm pretty sure, recruiting or not, you'd still be straight. Unless...unless...there's some hidden desire you have?
I've already said MY politics is about prejudice against single people who are in the minority, but close to becoming the majority. Marriage is about financial incentives to raise kids from the State's perspective. The church influences the State in an unconstitutional way and a lot proceeds from there.
Prejudice in the workplace becomes prejudice in the ability to afford healthcare which becomes prejudice in insurance rates. I can understand the rationalization for demanding marriage. I just resent the idea of having the minority take on tax burdens for the majority, and the hypocrisy of demanding inclusion in church based prejudice.
Other than those reasons, I have had little to say on the subject other than that I find homosexuality trivial compared to other forms of discrimination. Most people hear the word discrimination and they immediately think "whiny, litigious, American Black. There is some truth to that stereotype but there is also truth that being Black is not something you can hide.
For my part, I somewhat take exception to that simple attitude towards justice. A person is who they are on the inside too. I know that I can say that married men get preferential treatment in the workplace and suddenly every issue that I bring up is written off as whining. Well, "rocking the boat" is taboo in this economy but it is the very nature of change. For better or for worse, change WILL happen so it's best to listen and consider change that is for the collective betterment.
People don't like to be around those who are strange to them. It's human nature and the "melting pot" concept is unsound. Diversity is the result of evolution, not self-expression. THAT is how this whole debate becomes linked together into a circle of necessary scientific discipline, not just leveraging one's politics by claiming evolution as being on the side of righteousness. So really, consider the value of marriage in it's entirety and ask yourself if it is just a relic of old prejudices.
Wow...ok...you know, I think I'll just avoid what you wrote above and let it stand on its own.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#71267 Jan 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
So how do gay people go about "recruiting"? I can see a military type recruitment office with posters and everything: "It's a man's life being Gau!" and other such propaganda.
Hi! How are you doing? I was wondering if you would mind taking this census? It will only take 5 minutes of your time!

(oh...sorry...that's the lie Christians use all the time, not gays...my bad!)

Hi! How are you? I want to talk to you about my friend Gayjus!

(ah...crap, my bad Sub, that's the Christians talking about Jesus again...)

Hi! I bet you don't want to drink caffeine or alcohol again while pretending to concentrate on family values when openly discriminating against women!

(ah...fudge...no, not gays, those are Mormons. Damn, I don't think I can answer your question.)

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71268 Jan 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Cybele,it's been nice exploring and i'm getting curious as to this code. Even though it would be termed fringe/weird science.
Let me know how you get on with it.
Goodnight yall.
My code is secret. It started out as a game for fun. Until I discovered that it can be used to decode the meaning of events with mathematical formulas. lol

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#71269 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Plumage is a survival strategy, it is how the species improves it's genetic diversity. You speak from ignorance, that is easy to see, but you should actually look up and study something before making assertions. There are also many instances of homosexuality in many animals, we are not unique in that regard. That is what bothers you most, I am betting, having to admit that we are indeed animals.
I think the improvement to genetic diversity is more a by-product than some goal. Natural selection, gene transfer, genetic drift ... all the mechanisms of evolution aren't working to improve genetic diversity, but the impact of each increases genetic diiversity. I know, sort of a 'split-hair' difference, but an important one. The process isn't working toward a goal, or else you might have to make a case for a goalie :-) There we go, God the ultimate goalie :-)

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#71270 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't mean that they do it on purpose or with intelligent intent. I just failed to combine a better descriptive of the cause and effect.
got it. should have read ahead before i respoded.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#71271 Jan 18, 2013
TedHOhio wrote:
<quoted text>
got it. should have read ahead before i respoded.
It's okay, I failed to describe something well, that still makes it my mistake. You and HFY's clarifications helped to correct my error.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#71272 Jan 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi! How are you doing? I was wondering if you would mind taking this census? It will only take 5 minutes of your time!
(oh...sorry...that's the lie Christians use all the time, not gays...my bad!)
Hi! How are you? I want to talk to you about my friend Gayjus!
(ah...crap, my bad Sub, that's the Christians talking about Jesus again...)
Hi! I bet you don't want to drink caffeine or alcohol again while pretending to concentrate on family values when openly discriminating against women!
(ah...fudge...no, not gays, those are Mormons. Damn, I don't think I can answer your question.)
It's getting so you can't keep track without a scorecard.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#71273 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Plumage is a survival strategy, it is how the species improves it's genetic diversity. You speak from ignorance, that is easy to see, but you should actually look up and study something before making assertions. There are also many instances of homosexuality in many animals, we are not unique in that regard. That is what bothers you most, I am betting, having to admit that we are indeed animals.
Many instances of homosexuality in animals? Not true. Bisexuality maybe. They will hump pretty much anything.

Homosexuality is extremely abnormal. For every one homosexual that exists there are likely millions of bisexuals.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#71274 Jan 18, 2013
TedHOhio wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the improvement to genetic diversity is more a by-product than some goal. Natural selection, gene transfer, genetic drift ... all the mechanisms of evolution aren't working to improve genetic diversity, but the impact of each increases genetic diiversity. I know, sort of a 'split-hair' difference, but an important one. The process isn't working toward a goal, or else you might have to make a case for a goalie :-) There we go, God the ultimate goalie :-)
Genetic diversity is hardly the goal. Evolution generally occurs best in small populations. The less the genetic diversity the more likely a random mutation is to catch on. Hense when brown bears wandered out onto the ice sheets they became polar bears but other brown bears stayed the same. Those hominids who wandered out of Africa during the Ice Age became Neanderthals for much the same reason. Or like birds blown onto remote islands by storm.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#71275 Jan 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
So how do gay people go about "recruiting"? I can see a military type recruitment office with posters and everything: "It's a man's life being Gau!" and other such propaganda.
How do gays recruit? By making it socially acceptable for the far larger bisexual community to swing both ways. I am sure that 9/10ths of the men who saw Brokeback Mountain immediately decided to give it a try. Suddenly it was cool. Then they brought HIV back home to their wives.

Laws are there to discourage them... not gays.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#71276 Jan 18, 2013
anoymous wrote:

For my part, I somewhat take exception to that simple attitude towards justice. A person is who they are on the inside too. I know that I can say that married men get preferential treatment in the workplace and suddenly every issue that I bring up is written off as whining. Well, "rocking the boat" is taboo in this economy but it is the very nature of change. For better or for worse, change WILL happen so it's best to listen and consider change that is for the collective betterment.

end quote

Ah you noticed that too.
Hundreds of times where you have to stand in because something is up at the homefront.
Mind without being payed according to the scale they get!
Or because they have to pick up the kids.
And you have to sympathetically listen to there even whining about those kids...and especially not forget how they are faring.
Or they have marital trouble and given that they have kids get the first choice in relocating and job-security.
The first choice in better housing a.s.o.
And they expect the tax-payer to pay for there lack of even raising kids, so when it goes wrong.
But also because they seem to entitled to extra money, since kids automatically become everybodies problem.
And they simply wander back in after moths of absence as if it's there god-give right.
And the bastards always manage to take credit for work they have not actually done.
I hate people with kids. LOL

It becomes worse if they do not even consider using birthcontrol.
And they are always protective of the little terrorists even if they are the devil incarnate.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#71277 Jan 18, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
And...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6c9ppDdotbUXX
That really creeps me out!

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#71278 Jan 18, 2013
I would say that as far as such forced ideas go as family units being the corner-stone of society, that they are so only as long as the rest of society is forced to pay for them.

An African saying goes that it takes a village to raise a kid.
Which is not the same as paying for secluded units that are too scared to even let yearlong acquantainces close to their kids.
Living on a military base would maybe comes closes to the African village idea.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#71279 Jan 18, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Many instances of homosexuality in animals? Not true. Bisexuality maybe. They will hump pretty much anything.
Homosexuality is extremely abnormal. For every one homosexual that exists there are likely millions of bisexuals.
So, you prefer to ignore the facts and make things up to avoid them. Good to know.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#71280 Jan 18, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
How do gays recruit? By making it socially acceptable for the far larger bisexual community to swing both ways. I am sure that 9/10ths of the men who saw Brokeback Mountain immediately decided to give it a try. Suddenly it was cool. Then they brought HIV back home to their wives.
Laws are there to discourage them... not gays.
Paranoid delusions, nothing more. You should have those taken care of.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#71281 Jan 18, 2013
I know everyone can hide their true identity here, but no wonder self respecting Creationist never come here to debate, it could be because they wouldn't want their children to read some of the trash this thread has turned to. PLease be considerate and get back on topic.

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