Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216934 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#71255 Jan 18, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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And I agree too! That is why the best therapy for behaviors that one enjoys but the majority takes exception to is to practice discreetness.
I've already made several comments to the effect that politicizing behaviors that could be obsessive-compulsive is cruel and irresponsible. I've already stated that stigma prevents people from seeking professional help.
People don't see the big picture when they want to act out. Well, I do expect people to be accountable for their bad behavior. Remarkably enough, I am not so childish that I'm going to act out in a similar fashion just to dominate. The question for you is whether or not you trust me that way or will you stick with a familiar hall of mirrors.
This Cheshire cat has had his say!
btw, it's nice having a non-insulting discussion with you. And I apologize for my harsh attitude. I'm really bitchy and unkind sometimes. I try not to be, and I feel bad after I've been that way, and so thank you for not holding a grudge and for your continued pleasantness despite me and my ranting.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#71256 Jan 18, 2013
anonymous wrote:
NRA? Hardly. Libertarian, yes. Feeling pushed into an underclass, definitely
...

What I'm doing is mostly pointing out "style". People in a certain class can do things without thinking while others are expected to observe different rules. The "Evolution vs. Creationism" debate has it's roots in that, and I felt it was time to represent the conservative elements without the messy conundrums of religiosity!
Yeah, me too, being pushed into the underclass economically, while having the status of the upper class. It's a strange, strange life.

Creationism is total garbage :)

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#71257 Jan 18, 2013
Wolfganged wrote:
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I agree
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Huh? The end of humanity? What do you mean?
Uhm...that was mean being sarcastic. A few people on here seem to think that the world would end if gays were allowed to marry. I don't know why they think so. I personally find the concept of inequality among disparate people repulsive, so I can't imagine why a society as advanced in so many ways as America would deny homosexuals the institution - and dignity - of marriage.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#71258 Jan 18, 2013
Wolfganged wrote:
Whoops,my appoligies for the above! I completley stuffed that up! lol...
QUOTE who="Hidingfromyou"] <quoted text>
Yes homesexuality is completley natural.!
^^^^^^
I said that!
You know...in my above post...I made an error, too. I wrote "it was mean being sarcastic" but actually meant "it was me, being sarcastic."

Yeah. Alcohol. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

“The golden age is before us, ”

Since: Jan 13

not behind us.

#71259 Jan 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhm...that was mean being sarcastic. A few people on here seem to think that the world would end if gays were allowed to marry. I don't know why they think so. I personally find the concept of inequality among disparate people repulsive, so I can't imagine why a society as advanced in so many ways as America would deny homosexuals the institution - and dignity - of marriage.
No, no sarcasm inended. I think gay marriage is overdue.

“The golden age is before us, ”

Since: Jan 13

not behind us.

#71260 Jan 18, 2013
People need to just get over themselves and just realise that if two people of the same sex love each other and want to marry then the world is not going to end!
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#71262 Jan 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Cool, cool.
I'd like to first state that the main thrust of my posts was to dismiss the claim that same sex sexual behavior (homosexuality in Western cultures) is a mental disorder,....
I completely disagree with the claim that gays don't recruit. Gays do try to "convert" or, at least like most tender male egos, get all blustery when confronted with rejection.

I've already said MY politics is about prejudice against single people who are in the minority, but close to becoming the majority. Marriage is about financial incentives to raise kids from the State's perspective. The church influences the State in an unconstitutional way and a lot proceeds from there.

Prejudice in the workplace becomes prejudice in the ability to afford healthcare which becomes prejudice in insurance rates. I can understand the rationalization for demanding marriage. I just resent the idea of having the minority take on tax burdens for the majority, and the hypocrisy of demanding inclusion in church based prejudice.

Other than those reasons, I have had little to say on the subject other than that I find homosexuality trivial compared to other forms of discrimination. Most people hear the word discrimination and they immediately think "whiny, litigious, American Black. There is some truth to that stereotype but there is also truth that being Black is not something you can hide.

For my part, I somewhat take exception to that simple attitude towards justice. A person is who they are on the inside too. I know that I can say that married men get preferential treatment in the workplace and suddenly every issue that I bring up is written off as whining. Well, "rocking the boat" is taboo in this economy but it is the very nature of change. For better or for worse, change WILL happen so it's best to listen and consider change that is for the collective betterment.

People don't like to be around those who are strange to them. It's human nature and the "melting pot" concept is unsound. Diversity is the result of evolution, not self-expression. THAT is how this whole debate becomes linked together into a circle of necessary scientific discipline, not just leveraging one's politics by claiming evolution as being on the side of righteousness. So really, consider the value of marriage in it's entirety and ask yourself if it is just a relic of old prejudices.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#71263 Jan 18, 2013
So how do gay people go about "recruiting"? I can see a military type recruitment office with posters and everything: "It's a man's life being Gau!" and other such propaganda.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#71264 Jan 18, 2013
Wolfganged wrote:
<quoted text>
No, no sarcasm inended. I think gay marriage is overdue.
Sorry, sorry, not you. Me. The sarcasm was mine, in the post you were replying to - I apologize. Please see above.

Like you, I think gay marriage is long overdue.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#71265 Jan 18, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I agree too. Fundamentalists seem to have a fascination with what others do with their junk.
And...

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#71266 Jan 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Cool, cool.
I'd like to first state that the main thrust of my posts was to dismiss the claim that same sex sexual behavior (homosexuality in Western cultures) is a mental disorder,..
anonymous wrote:
I completely disagree with the claim that gays don't recruit. Gays do try to "convert" or, at least like most tender male egos, get all blustery when confronted with rejection.
What part of what you quoted from me implies that I argued gays don't recruit?

Are you referring to me explaining to you that if gay marriage were state sanctioned, you'd stay a heterosexual? I'm pretty sure, recruiting or not, you'd still be straight. Unless...unless...there's some hidden desire you have?
I've already said MY politics is about prejudice against single people who are in the minority, but close to becoming the majority. Marriage is about financial incentives to raise kids from the State's perspective. The church influences the State in an unconstitutional way and a lot proceeds from there.
Prejudice in the workplace becomes prejudice in the ability to afford healthcare which becomes prejudice in insurance rates. I can understand the rationalization for demanding marriage. I just resent the idea of having the minority take on tax burdens for the majority, and the hypocrisy of demanding inclusion in church based prejudice.
Other than those reasons, I have had little to say on the subject other than that I find homosexuality trivial compared to other forms of discrimination. Most people hear the word discrimination and they immediately think "whiny, litigious, American Black. There is some truth to that stereotype but there is also truth that being Black is not something you can hide.
For my part, I somewhat take exception to that simple attitude towards justice. A person is who they are on the inside too. I know that I can say that married men get preferential treatment in the workplace and suddenly every issue that I bring up is written off as whining. Well, "rocking the boat" is taboo in this economy but it is the very nature of change. For better or for worse, change WILL happen so it's best to listen and consider change that is for the collective betterment.
People don't like to be around those who are strange to them. It's human nature and the "melting pot" concept is unsound. Diversity is the result of evolution, not self-expression. THAT is how this whole debate becomes linked together into a circle of necessary scientific discipline, not just leveraging one's politics by claiming evolution as being on the side of righteousness. So really, consider the value of marriage in it's entirety and ask yourself if it is just a relic of old prejudices.
Wow...ok...you know, I think I'll just avoid what you wrote above and let it stand on its own.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#71267 Jan 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
So how do gay people go about "recruiting"? I can see a military type recruitment office with posters and everything: "It's a man's life being Gau!" and other such propaganda.
Hi! How are you doing? I was wondering if you would mind taking this census? It will only take 5 minutes of your time!

(oh...sorry...that's the lie Christians use all the time, not gays...my bad!)

Hi! How are you? I want to talk to you about my friend Gayjus!

(ah...crap, my bad Sub, that's the Christians talking about Jesus again...)

Hi! I bet you don't want to drink caffeine or alcohol again while pretending to concentrate on family values when openly discriminating against women!

(ah...fudge...no, not gays, those are Mormons. Damn, I don't think I can answer your question.)

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71268 Jan 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
Cybele,it's been nice exploring and i'm getting curious as to this code. Even though it would be termed fringe/weird science.
Let me know how you get on with it.
Goodnight yall.
My code is secret. It started out as a game for fun. Until I discovered that it can be used to decode the meaning of events with mathematical formulas. lol

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#71269 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Plumage is a survival strategy, it is how the species improves it's genetic diversity. You speak from ignorance, that is easy to see, but you should actually look up and study something before making assertions. There are also many instances of homosexuality in many animals, we are not unique in that regard. That is what bothers you most, I am betting, having to admit that we are indeed animals.
I think the improvement to genetic diversity is more a by-product than some goal. Natural selection, gene transfer, genetic drift ... all the mechanisms of evolution aren't working to improve genetic diversity, but the impact of each increases genetic diiversity. I know, sort of a 'split-hair' difference, but an important one. The process isn't working toward a goal, or else you might have to make a case for a goalie :-) There we go, God the ultimate goalie :-)

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#71270 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't mean that they do it on purpose or with intelligent intent. I just failed to combine a better descriptive of the cause and effect.
got it. should have read ahead before i respoded.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#71271 Jan 18, 2013
TedHOhio wrote:
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got it. should have read ahead before i respoded.
It's okay, I failed to describe something well, that still makes it my mistake. You and HFY's clarifications helped to correct my error.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#71272 Jan 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi! How are you doing? I was wondering if you would mind taking this census? It will only take 5 minutes of your time!
(oh...sorry...that's the lie Christians use all the time, not gays...my bad!)
Hi! How are you? I want to talk to you about my friend Gayjus!
(ah...crap, my bad Sub, that's the Christians talking about Jesus again...)
Hi! I bet you don't want to drink caffeine or alcohol again while pretending to concentrate on family values when openly discriminating against women!
(ah...fudge...no, not gays, those are Mormons. Damn, I don't think I can answer your question.)
It's getting so you can't keep track without a scorecard.
neutral observer

West Palm Beach, FL

#71273 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Plumage is a survival strategy, it is how the species improves it's genetic diversity. You speak from ignorance, that is easy to see, but you should actually look up and study something before making assertions. There are also many instances of homosexuality in many animals, we are not unique in that regard. That is what bothers you most, I am betting, having to admit that we are indeed animals.
Many instances of homosexuality in animals? Not true. Bisexuality maybe. They will hump pretty much anything.

Homosexuality is extremely abnormal. For every one homosexual that exists there are likely millions of bisexuals.
neutral observer

West Palm Beach, FL

#71274 Jan 18, 2013
TedHOhio wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the improvement to genetic diversity is more a by-product than some goal. Natural selection, gene transfer, genetic drift ... all the mechanisms of evolution aren't working to improve genetic diversity, but the impact of each increases genetic diiversity. I know, sort of a 'split-hair' difference, but an important one. The process isn't working toward a goal, or else you might have to make a case for a goalie :-) There we go, God the ultimate goalie :-)
Genetic diversity is hardly the goal. Evolution generally occurs best in small populations. The less the genetic diversity the more likely a random mutation is to catch on. Hense when brown bears wandered out onto the ice sheets they became polar bears but other brown bears stayed the same. Those hominids who wandered out of Africa during the Ice Age became Neanderthals for much the same reason. Or like birds blown onto remote islands by storm.
neutral observer

West Palm Beach, FL

#71275 Jan 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
So how do gay people go about "recruiting"? I can see a military type recruitment office with posters and everything: "It's a man's life being Gau!" and other such propaganda.
How do gays recruit? By making it socially acceptable for the far larger bisexual community to swing both ways. I am sure that 9/10ths of the men who saw Brokeback Mountain immediately decided to give it a try. Suddenly it was cool. Then they brought HIV back home to their wives.

Laws are there to discourage them... not gays.

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