Evolution vs. Creation

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70011 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
nothing is created in a void or vaccum...
And dead rocks, hot lava, cannot, will not, ever produce life...never....
The process has to be started and generated by a creator...
Actually totally empty space is an impossibility in our universe.

And you what is your evidence that abiogenesis is impossible. It would be nice to know so that we can alert those who are currently studying this problem that they are wasting their time.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#70012 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Based on this premise:
"Hydrogen is the raw fuel that most stars 'burn' to produce energy. The same process, known as fusion, is being studied as a possible power source for use on earth. The sun's supply of hydrogen is expected to last another 5 billion years."
We know that STARS did it and life was created on earth.
Now if we go further back, how do we explain the birth of a star? Which element was created first?
The Bible claims water was first.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Twin Cities

#70013 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
nothing is created in a void or vaccum...
And dead rocks, hot lava, cannot, will not, ever produce life...never....
The process has to be started and generated by a creator...
If EVERYTHING has to have a creator, then God had to have one. You can't have it both ways

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70014 Jan 5, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why do the cells develop an immunity to some things after being exposed to it?
They don't. The ones without the immunity just die off.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70015 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
nothing is created in a void or vaccum...
And dead rocks, hot lava, cannot, will not, ever produce life...never....
The process has to be started and generated by a creator...
Yes, and luckily there is no such thing as a void or vacuum outside of a black hole.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70016 Jan 5, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible claims water was first.
Yes, and oxygen did not appear until long after the first stars appeared. So the Bible is wrong again.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70017 Jan 5, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible claims water was first.
Water wasn't first though.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70018 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
We already know the secrets of the bible. Do you think the periodic table does too? I think it does. I think if scientists study it, they would find out things we don't know yet such as which atom came to existence first, etc. Before finding out about the God Particle (Higgs Boson), shouldn't we first know which atom was created first?
I wouldn't claim to know all the secrets of the Bible, especially since it states, rather simply ad plainly-no one does.

No, I don't think the Periodic table "knows" much of anything, basically because it's "chart" of compound references, as in an "inanimate object".

I also think that same "chart" is pretty much a basic prerequisite of study, for anyone even considering going into any scientific field.

Perhaps you should post your question on the "God Particle" to a Q and A board at CERN....they might get a good snicker on your behalf, if nothing else, out of it?
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70019 Jan 5, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>On the very good chance that you really are that ignorant:
"He [Higgs] is displeased that the Higgs particle is nicknamed the "God particle", as he believes the term "might offend people who are religious".
Usually this nickname for the Higgs boson is attributed to Leon Lederman, the author of the book The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?, but the name is the result of the insistence of Lederman's publisher: Lederman had originally intended to refer to it as the "goddamn particle"." - Wiki.
Not a credible source, please post the ORIGINAL origin.(as in why bother WASTING time and "rewriting" MUCH of what has ALREADY been written).

I figured that'd rile a few birdbrian feathers like yewrs--and here's my response to it-the "God Particle" was a BETTER choice.

No good sense in "damning" and cussing about something, just because it hasn't been figured out yet :-).

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70020 Jan 5, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Jesus perhaps but where does it state in the Bible that God has a physical body? Is the Jewish/Christian/Moslem god not a spiritual being?
No reason to assume the presence of sexual organs. That would presume there was a god of another gender to...
I agree...

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70021 Jan 5, 2013
This is odd...it's only after I post that I see all these responses...

Now I must go back and read these posts...that were not there a minute ago...

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70022 Jan 5, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
So the dust on the ground hypothesis presented in Genesis is wrong?
What about it just arising out of the primordial ooze?
Not exactly...there has to be a 'master chemist' there to arrange chemicals in the proper order...

Just as man takes dust, and arranges it into whatever he wants, through chemistry...but there has to be someone or something to orchestrate it...
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70023 Jan 5, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>On the very good chance that you really are that ignorant:
"He [Higgs] is displeased that the Higgs particle is nicknamed the "God particle", as he believes the term "might offend people who are religious".
Usually this nickname for the Higgs boson is attributed to Leon Lederman, the author of the book The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?, but the name is the result of the insistence of Lederman's publisher: Lederman had originally intended to refer to it as the "goddamn particle"." - Wiki.
Interesting-awarded the honor just THIS past year even!!!!

Lederman is known for his sense of humor and efforts to connect science at all levels with everyday people.


I always wanted to be a standup comic. I didn't have the talent to do that but, among physicists, I'm great, because none of them can tell jokes, Lederman said during an interview with the Academy of Achievement in 1992.

Leon Lederman is the 2012 recipient of the Vannevar Bush Award from the National Science Foundation. The annual award is given in memory of Vannevar Bush, who served as science advisor to President Franklin Roosevelt during World War II and was behind the creation of the National Science Foundation.

Eckstrom, E. "God particle' physicist Leon Lederman honored by National Science Foundation." Northwestern.Edu . 4/11/2012. Web. 1/5/2013.

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70024 Jan 5, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Of course you don't know that, you are just projecting ad going with a 'feeling'.
IF there were some kind of God involved...he is long gone.
Please...you don't know what I know...

Life does not come from, magicaly spring from, dead, lifeless, non-bio matter or elements...that's science...
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70025 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
or you can make up a lie that reveals the truth. You really need a JUMP start in your brain. It's called search engine. lol
There's not one single search engine that "knows all" either.

No such thing.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70026 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
<quoted text>
Not exactly...there has to be a 'master chemist' there to arrange chemicals in the proper order...
Just as man takes dust, and arranges it into whatever he wants, through chemistry...but there has to be someone or something to orchestrate it...
So basically you're saying chemistry itself is all a lie.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#70027 Jan 5, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
If EVERYTHING has to have a creator, then God had to have one. You can't have it both ways
If God created space/time, then he would be outside of space/time and therefore be infinite in nature.

( This idea is referenced by many through out history.)

Even the latest developments in Quantum Physics support this concept with the Observer Effect.

Since: Jun 12

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#70028 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
or you can make up a lie that reveals the truth. You really need a JUMP start in your brain. It's called search engine. lol
True Lies?...(lol)
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70029 Jan 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
If God created space/time, then he would be outside of space/time and therefore be infinite in nature.
( This idea is referenced by many through out history.)
Even the latest developments in Quantum Physics support this concept with the Observer Effect.
AND the "God Particle".

(Good choice, and applause lol)
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70030 Jan 5, 2013
"The search for the ultimate particle began with a Greek philosopher named Democritus, Lederman writes, who managed to postulate the existence of the ``a-tom''--in spite of an unaccommodating myth-based culture, the scorn and amusement of his peers, and a total lack of... any concrete proof..."

Lederman, Leon. The God Particle. If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question? Houghton Mifflin, 1993. 352. Print.

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