Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222049 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70064 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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Nor is there any evidence of life coming out of inordinate matter...
Inordinate lifeless elements cannot ever, will not ever, produce life...
get over it...
It has no reason to...dust will remain dust for trillions of years, until a master, intellegent chemist entity, comes along and arranges the chemicals in a way that can produce life...
Wrong.

Would you like to learn the current state of abiogenesis? Or do you want to remain in a state of denial?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#70065 Jan 5, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Noncorporeal aliens inhabit the bodies of Enterprise crew members to study how the crew reacts to a lethal virus infection that has afflicted Trip and Hoshi. "The Observer Affect" (StarTrek) lol.
“If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”~ George Berkeley
Fundamental to contemporary Quantum Theory is the notion that there is no phenomenon until it is observed. This effect is known as the ‘Observer Effect’.
"The Observer Affect" Flow"Psychology" on a cherry blossom web page with a guy that looks like Teli Savalis.
The "Observer Affect" in Science-
Rational Example:a standard mercury-in-glass thermometer must absorb some thermal energy to record a temperature, and therefore changes the temperature of the body which it is measuring.
A common lay misuse of the term refers to quantum mechanics, where, if the outcome of an event has not been observed, it exists in a state of 'superposition', which is akin to being in all possible states at once. In the famous thought experiment known as Schrödinger's cat the cat is supposedly neither alive nor dead until observed — until that time, the cat is both alive and dead (technically half-alive and half-dead in probability terms). However, most quantum physicists, in resolving Schrödinger's seeming paradox, now understand that the acts of 'observation' and 'measurement' must also be defined in quantum terms **BEFORE the question makes sense.
Instance A: See "studying rats under a microscope after injecting a live germ of black plague"...while watching StarTrek reruns.
Instance B: See perceived ability to "mind read" lol.
Instance C: When not convoluted or misconstrued, could aptly be a term used in formulating Scientific hypothesis, when applied correctly. See: Lucy McFaddens observation on gas and dust comas of the comet Tempel 1 -->(analysis of the gas and dust coma images reveals asymmetric distributions of water, CN, C2 and dust. The C2 is enhanced in the sunward direction suggesting either a temperature dependence or a compositional asymmetry in the composition of the nucleus.)
The "Observer Afffect" lol
“If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”

was thinking abut that one earier today...lol
FREE SERVANT
#70066 Jan 5, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, but it eventually produced light. Again, much much later.
OK, and then there was light, we agree.
FREE SERVANT
#70067 Jan 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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&#8220;If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?&#8221;
was thinking abut that one earier today...lol
Radio came before black and white TV, but is anybody around that liked it?:)

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70068 Jan 5, 2013
anonymous wrote:
My point isn't the point. THE point is the epiphany of knowing when you're pointing a gun at your own head.
If you want a tip, accept that perfection is not strength. Adaptability is strength.(Getting back on topic, one way or another!) If you're interested in progress, you'll need to start asking the right questions. The truth will come racing at you faster than you'll like it, once others see you walking a straight line, rather than swimming around like the other mindless thralls. Thralls adapt, but they don't know perfection. Perfectionists don't adapt, but they waste their time controlling the uncontrollable.
And so, the moral of the story..
Me? I answer a question with another question. YOU!...don't know the truth, and so you don't get the truth, or at least not enough of it to make a difference. You have to choose to ask the right questions, which first means you have to stop living in denial. So, let's end this Cheshire cat dialog, and you can decide who you are and what you really want.
I?...live in the moment. Every time you react, you've already slipped into the past.
When you can dissect this quaint monolog existentially, you'll have a clue!:)
Oh, I've got a clue. My clue is that you like to engage in long, rambling, pointless posts.

Yeah, I get that.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70069 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
life did not simply evolve, invent itself, out of dead matter
Because...?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70070 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
The process has to be started and generated by a creator...
Who created the creator?
FREE SERVANT
#70071 Jan 5, 2013
We can't count all the stars, but neither can you count all the grains of sand on Daytona beech.or all the cells that are in our makeup, but the one that made them can.
FREE SERVANT
#70072 Jan 5, 2013
The Bible tells us that God has a record book of everyone and I would think he has a record of everything.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70073 Jan 5, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>OK, and then there was light, we agree.
Of course the order is wrong in Genesis.

And cosmology is a different science from evolution. Why are you moving the goal posts so far? That was about 13 billion years in the past. The evolution that you and yours object to most heavily occurred in the last 2 million years. That is a difference of well over a thousand times as much time.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#70074 Jan 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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“If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”
was thinking abut that one earier today...lol
There might be a few variables, of "plasticity" to think about on that one.
The again-mm, not many really.
FREE SERVANT
#70075 Jan 5, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Of course the order is wrong in Genesis.
And cosmology is a different science from evolution. Why are you moving the goal posts so far? That was about 13 billion years in the past. The evolution that you and yours object to most heavily occurred in the last 2 million years. That is a difference of well over a thousand times as much time.
There was a beginning and this is explained in the Bible. The Spirit of God moved upon water and that was the very start.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70076 Jan 5, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>There was a beginning and this is explained in the Bible. The Spirit of God moved upon water and that was the very start.
But ... water didn't exist until after planets did.
FREE SERVANT
#70077 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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But ... water didn't exist until after planets did.
The earth was made from water.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70078 Jan 5, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The earth was made from water.
Okay, you are certifiable. The Earth was made from the heavy elements spewed from a dying star. The elements collected into asteroids, the asteroid into the planetoid ... and eventually enough collected to form the planet.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70079 Jan 5, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The earth was made from water.
No. There is only a very thin film of water on the surface of the Earth.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70080 Jan 5, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>There was a beginning and this is explained in the Bible. The Spirit of God moved upon water and that was the very start.
Umm, no.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#70081 Jan 5, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Not a credible source, please post the ORIGINAL origin.(as in why bother WASTING time and "rewriting" MUCH of what has ALREADY been written).
I figured that'd rile a few birdbrian feathers like yewrs--and here's my response to it-the "God Particle" was a BETTER choice.
No good sense in "damning" and cussing about something, just because it hasn't been figured out yet :-).
Lazy bastard.

Randerson, James (June 30, 2008). "Father of the 'God Particle'"

Here's the actual quote: "He wanted to refer to it as that 'goddamn particle' and his editor wouldn't let him," says Higgs.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#70082 Jan 5, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Lazy bastard.
Randerson, James (June 30, 2008). "Father of the 'God Particle'"
Here's the actual quote: "He wanted to refer to it as that 'goddamn particle' and his editor wouldn't let him," says Higgs.
Smart editor then...reiterate-no use of getting all cussy in vanity about something just 'cuz ya aint got it figured out yet lol.

Wouldn't have been as good for sales either-would've trashed it down quite a few levels, and the impact of the depth of it all, wouldn't have been the same...except for the blaring FACT, that they still "don't know" :-).
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#70083 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Okay, you are certifiable. The Earth was made from the heavy elements spewed from a dying star. The elements collected into asteroids, the asteroid into the planetoid ... and eventually enough collected to form the planet.
Kinda like the one they're watching 450 mil light years away now?

Maybe...maybe not...they're still working on it all!

(Hydrogen is the most abundant and lightest of all the elements. It is usually found bound to other elements and can be extracted from different materials such as natural gas, methanol, coal and water.)

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