Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216592 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#67790 Dec 26, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Jud├Ža, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.
Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind". Written by Tacitus in 116 AD, Tacitus (56AD to 117AD)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Chri...
Again Charles....nobody wrote of Jesus while he was alive. It was many years later that some people wrote of him. The man quoted above was writing 80+- years after Jesus' supposed death and never meet him. As far as we can tell, nobody who meet Jesus wrote of him.
The disciples of Christ met him. Peter, James, John, etc.
Again, Christians where mentioned by Tacitus.
Christians stands for believers of Christ. This is a confirmation of Jesus existence.
Again, if Jesus is a sham, the Romans and the Greeks then would not have accepted a false saviour as their saviour. Think

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#67791 Dec 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> All Gibberish.
Prayer, Faith, Belief, etc, can never be measured or tested in a scientific laboratory. Men will continue their quest, but they can never understand God unless they seek him.
The efficacy of prayer CAN be measured in the field, and it HAS been a number of times.

All of the studies showed NO effect from intercessory prayer. One study showed negative effects. One example: http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/htm...

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#67793 Dec 26, 2012
Charles Idemi, do we have to agree with everything that Galileo, Newton, and Copernicus said?
What if they said that men should beat their wives?

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#67794 Dec 26, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
On the contrary, they can be measured in a laboratory, as having *zero* effectiveness.
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Are you asking how the studies were conducted?
Ofcourse.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#67795 Dec 26, 2012
So why are you spending so much time arguing about the location of the origin of the English language?
Charles Idemi wrote:
I am correcting that it does not originated in mainland Europe but in England, because it has already died in mainland while in Britain( England) it was still thriving.
How could it have originated in England if,*as you already agreed*, the Angles and Saxons spoke it in both locations, and the Angles and Saxons were in mainland Europe *before* they were in England?

That tells us that it originated in mainland Europe.

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#67796 Dec 26, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
How would you know that they weren't atheists? Can you read minds? In this case, the minds of someones who lived hundreds of years ago?
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How do you know that they did?
Their histories, works and religion- All are found on the internet.

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#67797 Dec 26, 2012
No one here knows the real truth. sigh.

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#67798 Dec 26, 2012
Independent Majority, should we accept on faith every claim that has been made?

The founder of the Aetherians said that there is an interplanetary parliament which holds regular meetings on the planet Venus.

The founder of the Mormon church said that God lives on another planet with thousands of wives.

The founder of Scientology said that an interplanetary emperor, who ruled millions of years ago, brought millions of people to our planet and killed them by placing them in the mouths of volcanoes.

The founder of the Black Muslims said that the white race was created by a mad scientist who lived on an island off the coast of Africa.

The founder of the Moslem faith said that a man who lives a good life will be blessed eternally with 75 voluptuous and obedient women.

The Hindus believe that Krisha had a cousin who sprouted wings and spoke coherently the day after she was born.

Shall we believe all these claims, or just the Bible? How did you happen to choose the Bible?

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#67799 Dec 26, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
On the contrary, I'm saying that there was no such thing as a "first man" and a "first woman". That's because humans have ancestors going all the way back to the MRCA (for all living things).
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Because of the evidence left behind.
Your so called claim of non human to human evolution remains a sham to date.
Garbage out the lies !

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#67800 Dec 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Again, no one can rule out the possibility of a first man and woman, because there must be origin or beginning(GENESIS).
Adam and Eve did NOT exist as written in the Bible...of that we are sure.

We know for a fact that humans...Homo-sapiens, have existed on earth for well over 100,000 years.

We know for a fact that Homo-neanderthalensis existed from at least 25,000 YA to over 300,000 YA

We know for a fact that humans and Neanderthals mated and produced fertile offspring

We know for a fact that 6,000 years ago (supposed time of Adam and Eve) that there were at least 5,000,000 people on earth (and probably much more). These people were spread ALL over the earth (except Antarctica).

The above facts completely rule out a Biblical Adam and Eve. The story is 100% myth.

Adam and Eve ARE falsified.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#67801 Dec 26, 2012
Does it justify noting that no historians alive at the time wrote anything about his life?
Yes, and because no historians alive at the time wrote anything about his life, then one has to suspect that the story of his life was made up, like a fictional story.
Charles Idemi wrote:
Name one or two of the persons that existed during Jesus time?
Velleius
Charles Idemi wrote:
Again, if Jesus was a fiction as you claimed, why did the Romans and Greeks accepted him as their saviour, even till today ?
For the same reason that people believed in Zeus and Thor.

You don't think that people can believe in imaginary figures?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#67802 Dec 26, 2012
How would you know that they weren't atheists? Can you read minds? In this case, the minds of someones who lived hundreds of years ago?
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How do you know that they did?
Charles Idemi wrote:
Their histories, works and religion
If they had been atheists, and had published works admitting that they were, what do you think would have happened to them during their lives?

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Tampa, FL

#67803 Dec 26, 2012
On the contrary, they can be measured in a laboratory, as having *zero* effectiveness.
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Are you asking how the studies were conducted?
Charles Idemi wrote:
Ofcourse.
By having people pray on behalf of others, and seeing the results.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#67804 Dec 26, 2012
On the contrary, I'm saying that there was no such thing as a "first man" and a "first woman". That's because humans have ancestors going all the way back to the MRCA (for all living things).
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Because of the evidence left behind.
Charles Idemi wrote:
Your so called claim of non human to human evolution remains a sham to date. Garbage out the lies !
Then how do you explain the evidence?

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#67805 Dec 26, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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The efficacy of prayer CAN be measured in the field, and it HAS been a number of times.
All of the studies showed NO effect from intercessory prayer. One study showed negative effects. One example: http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/htm...
Definitely it will show negative or errors, because it is beyond science.

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#67806 Dec 26, 2012
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Charles Idemi, do we have to agree with everything that Galileo, Newton, and Copernicus said?
What if they said that men should beat their wives?
No one or earth is/ are perfect.

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#67807 Dec 26, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Your mode of thinking is that of a rock. It breathes oxygen but it doesn't go the brain because it's got none. Use your head a bit more and stop relying on your scientism doctrine. It can be detri-mental.
In other words, you have no evidence for anything and like making wild claims without evidence and then calling anyone who doubts your claims "stupid" in spite of the fact that it is you lacking in intellectual capacity and study/education.

You like anything without evidence but want to deny everything that has evidence.

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#67808 Dec 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Definitely it will show negative or errors, because it is beyond science.
"Beyond science?" You do realize that science is a method, not an entity, right? Nothing is beyond the method, and anything that is real is demonstrable, reliable, and repeatable. It's called objective evidence, to which there is none demonstrating any form of regularity with prayer.

In short, evidence, you have none to back up your claim.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#67809 Dec 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Lastly, for Moses accounts, there is every tendencies(y) that the Egyptians might have reluctanctly do away with that story( ies) in order to avoid the shame of defeat and disgrace. Think, Bill. Your sites are quite interesting.
My assertion does not depend on stories from Egypt although it does play a small part.

My assertion depends on the science of archaeology primarily.

For over a hundred years, the Sinai desert where the Hebrews were supposed to have lived for 40 years, has been scoured for ANY evidence at all that a group of a million+ people lived there. To date not ONE iota of evidence has been found.

Archaeologists who have worked on the Sinai problem have found evidence of other people traveling the desert, both before and after the supposed time of the Exodus...but NOTHING for the Hebrews. This fact is known by people who live in Israel today, and is also known world-wide by archaeologists.

Regarding Egypt, think about the plagues that God was supposed to have rained down on the land before Moses was allowed to leave with his people (go back and read the passages about the plagues) and then visualize this happening...would anything be left of Egypt if it actually did suffer these calamities. The army gone, the ruler gone, all the livestock, many many children gone, people having health problems, all the crops gone, etc, etc.

In real life there are NO archaeological evidences to back this story up...none.

And further more there is the evidence that possibly Moses never existed...or at the very least he did not write the Pentateuch, of which the Exodus is part of.

The evidence shows that the Exodus is falsified...no question.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#67810 Dec 26, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Definitely it will show negative or errors, because it is beyond science.
Whether prayer works or not can be (and has been) measured Charles. The evidence is available on the web

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