Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 199493 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#60231 Nov 23, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Then if this is your opinion you should be able to demonstrte for all where and what I actually misrepresented.
These researchers still accept TOE. The point I am making is that it is all woffle and not empirical evidence at all.
If all this woffle was empirical evidence it would not change like the wind and refute itself on a regular basis.
Evolutionary research is one of the few fields of work where one can be consistently worng and not get fired.
Data is provided, but just how valid is it? Further to that any data can be interpreted based on a predefined assumption.
TOE is not a science. It is a faith and you have faith in these boofheads that change their mind all the time.
You have many words but you cannot articulate an appropriate refute backed by research. You can quack and that appears to be about it.
Aw, you don't know how to read. Oh well, another creatard, you don't even know how to spell.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60232 Nov 23, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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You are woffling with vaguary. What do you mean?
I understand the underlying assumptions of algorithmic magic for both sides of the debate. How about you?
The way evos refute creos is by providing research presented as empirical when it is not empirical evidence at all.
All the evo woffle around junk dna is just one example of it.
Just how valid would you suggest all the algorithmic magic presented as empirical evidence for 98% junk dna was?
That is the platform from which you are sprooking off your mouth from. It is a baseless and mindless stream of woffle with absolutely no foundation at all.
Here is somethinjg else you may be interested in on beneficial mutations accumulating to produce overwhelmingly negative effects re epitasis.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...
Feel free to refute the substance of these articles with more than your opinion.
These articles that are published and peer reviewed do not support an organisms unlimited ability to adapt. Rather they imply huge cost and restrictions around variation on the back of accumulating beneficial mutations, as if evos actually know what a beneficial mutation is in the first place.
Now let's see what baseless and unsupported reply I get back, if any. Evos tend to scurry away when the going gets tough or offer some opinuionate woffle based on "I beleive because researchers that are continually wrong said so". eg my assertions re junk dna. That is about the best you lot appear to be able to provide here.
1. What the heck is "woffle"?
2. Why do you talk about algorithms without a specific context. THAT sounds like magic!
3. In truth, algorithmic formulas are not empirical evidence at all. They may help identify significant patterns in evidence but they are subject to peer review as much as the data is.
4. From what little I've read, junk DNA is a sloppy buzzword that never needed to be invented. In the long run, you can only make a minor prediction concerning the rate of mutation and and how much that change will make portions of the genetic code obsolete. It really has no bearing on the process of Evolution and you'll probably end up with some arbitrary judgments on the value of mutations anyway. It's just sloppy.

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#60233 Nov 23, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
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The power of imagination.
The earth never came up on its own or through any big bang.
God created the earth.
Man can only shape the earth, but can never create one.

“too hard to handle”

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#60234 Nov 23, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
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It's really as easy as understanding benevolence and malevolence. All people and animals understand this, including you. Religious paradigm unnecessary without motive.
Thank you for validating scripture!

Proverbs 21:3
"To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice."
Proverbs 21:2-4

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#60235 Nov 23, 2012
NikkiShae wrote:
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The nature of the universe.
Wild wild guess or projections.
What brought about the nature of the earth and how it works?
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60236 Nov 23, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yet .... creationists base everything on the unobserved.
Irony meter busted again.
Creationists base their theories on holy books. Those are man made objects, not natural world observations.

First you get evidence, then you base theories on what you find. Until I see a godlike individual going around, defying all physics, I'm not going to invent such a thing.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

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#60237 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The earth never came up on its own or through any big bang.
God created the earth.
Man can only shape the earth, but can never create one.
Who created God?
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60238 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The earth never came up on its own or through any big bang.
God created the earth.
Man can only shape the earth, but can never create one.
Liar!

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#60239 Nov 23, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Gravity, accretion and time
Next
Another wild guess. What brought about gravity and the others ?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#60240 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The earth never came up on its own or through any big bang.
God created the earth.
Man can only shape the earth, but can never create one.
Why would humans want to create another Earth, there are probably an infinite number of Earths out there.

“Waytogo”

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#60241 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wild wild guess or projections.
What brought about the nature of the earth and how it works?
What brought about your cults god?

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#60242 Nov 23, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Chemical reactions, gravity, and a bunch of elements from a dead star.
More guessings and projections...
What brought about the gravity, the elements of a dead star, etc,?

“Waytogo”

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#60243 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Another wild guess. What brought about gravity and the others ?
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You say your cults god did all things....Tell us then who or what created your god?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#60244 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wild wild guess or projections.
What brought about the nature of the earth and how it works?
The universe formed, there were certain "laws" in the universe. The Earth formed as a result of these laws. Now we're on it. There, explained at a level even you can comprehend.

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#60245 Nov 23, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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You are a creator of lies and fear.
And yet you like every other living being will die.

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#60246 Nov 23, 2012
superwilly wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for validating scripture!

Proverbs 21:3
"To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice."
Proverbs 21:2-4
Scrutamini Scripturas
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#60247 Nov 23, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Suck eggs. You are one of the boofheads have no clue about what is or isn't a creationist site.
"let's just say"..What now are you still unclear what is or isn't a creationist site even though you can open the links and look for yourself. Don't you know how to open links either?
Your ignorance supports the fact that you have no idea about recent advances in evolutionary theory. It is that simple. It is like I am trying to have a debate with a 12 year old.
Now you're just being a forum mud wrestler!

That sciencemag.org site looks fairly legitimate, but don't read into what is posted. Things like "negative epistasis" doesn't mean that natural mutation doesn't drive evolution. It just means what scientists have always said. A vast majority of mutations are harmful. I suppose that it also says that even with the best of efforts, some species run out of strategies to exploit and go extinct.

Researchers don't usually spew out political dogma. It's dangerous to their careers. I will concede that university types tend to have some liberal prejudices and most consider religions that fight against a natural order to be obstructionist.

That's what it comes down to. Science is about a natural order that is NEVER changed by divine intervention. The burden of proof is on you. Nobody has to prove a negative.
FREE SERVANT
#60248 Nov 23, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>The name "Stella" is of Latin derivation, twit.
Then would you please tell us when you think the name "Stella" first came into the American Indian dialect?

“Waytogo”

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#60249 Nov 23, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And yet you like every other living being will die.
And like all religions. Your is a man mad lies to control people and make money and gain power by the churches.

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#60250 Nov 23, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
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Who created God?
That is absurd, define God ?
An all-powerful and the all sufficient God can never be created.
He is the alpha and omega.

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