Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 171799 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#51472 Oct 9, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
If creation is real who creted the creator and so on and so on and so on.....

It is much harder to beleive in some god or creator then somewhat proveable evolution ...
This train of thought is the same as a 2 dimensional object trying to grasp the idea of a 3rd dimension.

Sense God is outside of Time it is something some people can't grasp just how God was always and will be always.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51473 Oct 9, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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You have yet to support that claim.
Demonstrate how it meets the definition of a religion.
Go Forth And Spread The Word....."""

An Army Of Deciples...

A Grand Design, And Agenda

Based On Philosophy.

A Tringular Authoritarian System.

Unprovable Evidence From Prehistoric Times.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51475 Oct 9, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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If you really had Bigfoot hanging on your wall, then perhaps.
Coming Soon

“Waytogo”

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#51476 Oct 9, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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This train of thought is the same as a 2 dimensional object trying to grasp the idea of a 3rd dimension.
Sense God is outside of Time it is something some people can't grasp just how God was always and will be always.
OK...You need mental help...GOD IS NOT REAL AND NEITHER IS SANTA CLAUS OR THE EASTER BUNNY......

Nothing is outside space or time.....IT ISNT POSSIBLE......Now sit down let us educated adults talk..Go to your KKK meeting or go have sex with your sister or whatever you hate filled racist bigoted religous freaks do....
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51477 Oct 9, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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So...you have no proof?
Not For You.....As Your Not Worthy Just Yet.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51478 Oct 9, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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Are you a Jehovah's Witness? They seem to always be predicting "The End Of The World As We Know It" (teotwawki)
No, Just Smart Enough To See Reality.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51479 Oct 9, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
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OK...You need mental help...GOD IS NOT REAL AND NEITHER IS SANTA CLAUS OR THE EASTER BUNNY......
Nothing is outside space or time.....IT ISNT POSSIBLE......Now sit down let us educated adults talk..Go to your KKK meeting or go have sex with your sister or whatever you hate filled racist bigoted religous freaks do....
Really ?.....Prove It.

All You Prove, Is What A Rasist, Dribble Barrel You Are.

Space And Time Is Unique To Mankind...Ever Wonder Why ?
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#51480 Oct 9, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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RIGHT!!!
Wrong....Even Obamas Half White...No Ape Left In Him.

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#51481 Oct 9, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Say that again. But this time, in English.
I think he said that he's stupid and that's the way you like it.

B-()

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#51482 Oct 9, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong!!!
Don't you love it when their religion makes a claim "all human are ape"
And they expect that we'll just buy into it. Lol

“Waytogo”

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#51483 Oct 9, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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Really ?.....Prove It.
All You Prove, Is What A Rasist, Dribble Barrel You Are.
Space And Time Is Unique To Mankind...Ever Wonder Why ?
Your the one who says god is real...THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU HITLER BOY...

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#51484 Oct 9, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
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Don't you love it when their religion makes a claim "all human are ape"
And they expect that we'll just buy into it. Lol
You're so right! The NWO has an agenda to make us all buy into their evil evolutionary philosophy, so that when the time comes, they can slaughter us like cattle and claim that it's ok because we are just animals! Only god can save us!

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#51485 Oct 9, 2012
bohart wrote:
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1. The atheistic puddle gooist has a belief system, based on the universe and the world creating itself.
2.The world view is there is no God , and man is an animal,and anyone who disagrees are liars, ignorant, blind, etc.etc.
3. Here you make my point, promoting atheist morals over whatever you deem inferior.
4. The atheist narrative;..in the beginning the big bang occurred and the earth was a mass of hot lava that cooled over the millenia when water came to the earth., and the oceans swept together molecules and somewhere in this churning soup the miracle of life formed. Thats your creation myth.
5. Atheism states that life has no meaning, and that you cease to exist at death. Atheism attempts to explain the origin of life and the universes beginning with it's comical narrative of lifes origin.
These are all dogmatic positions of the evolutionist church and will result in expulsion to anyone who disagrees no matter their credentials, see Dembski for an example.
The fact you can't recognize it doesn't make it less so.
1. Wrong, try again. That is the history of the world as shown by evidence, it is not a "belief".

2 Nope, wrong. Try again. If you are going to claim something is an atheist view point you have to at least make it reasonable.

3. No, we can prove by your standards that the Atheist morals are stronger than Christian morals.

4.No, again that is the scientific narrative. You don't have to believe that the big bang occurred to be an atheist.. You need to learn the difference between science and personal belief. It seems that you are jealous of atheists since most of them do believe the scientific narrative. Again, there are atheists who could not care less about the scientific narrative, they don't believe in gods for their own reasons.

5. No, atheism does not state that life has no meaning. In fact life has more meaning for an atheist than for most theists. We know that you only get one shot at life so you better get it right.

bohart, besides not understanding evolution it is obvious that you do not understand atheism either. No wonder you get the two of them confused.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#51486 Oct 9, 2012
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is your proof of no God.
I'll match you fact for fact!
You start
From Jerry Coyne's blog; "Why Evolution is True"

“Over at the Templeton-funded BioLogos website there has been a lot of discussion about the historicity of Adam and Eve. This is a problem because scripture claims these two were the progenitors of humanity, but genetics says otherwise. It’s simply not true that all of humanity’s DNA traces back to a pair of individuals who lived no more than 10,000 years ago; indeed, the different bits of our DNA trace back to different ancestors who lived at different times. What’s clear is that our ancestors were in a population of humans, some of whom left Africa around 60,000 years ago, and virtually all of modern human DNA comes from that population, which itself descended from African ancestors who split off about 6 million years ago from the ancestors of modern chimps.”
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/...

*****

And at BioLogos
“This third independent method tells us that everyone alive today is related, but not to a single pair of people. We are related to a population that consisted of several thousand people with their several thousand combinations of these million genetic differences.

Here’s the real point of this. When you have one way of doing a calculation and you get a certain answer, perhaps you are justified in being a little skeptical. Perhaps you made a mathematical mistake, or maybe you made a faulty assumption. However, when you do your calculation using two totally different approaches, using methods with completely different assumptions, and each method gives you the same answer, you become convinced it is correct. Three, of course is just icing on the cake.

So that’s the situation we are in with regard to the human population size in ancient history. There was a bottleneck. There were likely fewer people alive during that time than the number of fans attending a typical NHL hockey game.(We don’t know if they were all together in one village, of course, but the total was small.) However, it was NOT two people. Our species diverged as a population. The data are absolutely clear about that.”
http://biologos.org/blog/does-genetics-point-...

The consensus among real scientists whose field relates to this question are of one voice...Adam and Eve, as written in the Bible, did not exist.

This fact above really eats into the Christian dogma. If no Adam and Eve, what need was there for Jesus. We already have a building pile of evidence against the Biblical Jesus.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#51487 Oct 9, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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Not For You.....As Your Not Worthy Just Yet.
So you have no proof and you will not help to find this god of yours?

Sweet...just as predicted.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#51488 Oct 9, 2012
It seems that we are debating a rather uneven argument here. To be fair both sides should be willing to post their beliefs, why they carry those beliefs, and what evidence they can show that supports those beliefs. So far the creationists have not been holding up their end at all. Many, like President Starky and woofy are afraid to state clearly what they believe and why. I did get woofy to admit that he thought sedimentary rocks came from the flood but after I showed him why that was wrong I have not heard anything from him. The most I have got out of Starky was that the world was created, as if that was an answer. When was it created? Was there an order of created life? How old is the Earth. If the Earth and the universe are not billions of years old why do they look that way?

Second they practically never offer any evidence of creation. They make the mistake of assuming that negating evolution is positing creation, it of course is not.

So are there any creationists out there who is not so ashamed of what they believe that they will state clearly how they believe the universe came about? Do they have any evidence to support this belief? Why do the have this belief? I will gladly offer the same sort of answers about my beliefs.

You see I am not ashamed of what I believe in.

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#51489 Oct 9, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>OK...You need mental help...GOD IS NOT REAL AND NEITHER IS SANTA CLAUS OR THE EASTER BUNNY......

Nothing is outside space or time.....IT ISNT POSSIBLE......Now sit down let us educated adults talk..Go to your KKK meeting or go have sex with your sister or whatever you hate filled racist bigoted religous freaks do....
"Nothing is outside space or time"

You've been there?

Oh we don't have KKK meeting anymore. We meet and read atheist post and laugh our asses off then we sharpen up our rubber hoses and go beat up atheist.

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#51490 Oct 9, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>OK...You need mental help...GOD IS NOT REAL AND NEITHER IS SANTA CLAUS OR THE EASTER BUNNY......

Nothing is outside space or time.....IT ISNT POSSIBLE......Now sit down let us educated adults talk..Go to your KKK meeting or go have sex with your sister or whatever you hate filled racist bigoted religous freaks do....
Are you really trying to tell me that the Easter bunny is not real?

Is this what you really feel the need to tell me?

Sex with your sister is not going to happen, she a dog!

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#51491 Oct 9, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>Your the one who says god is real...THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU HITLER BOY...
We have no burden of proof!

Zero zippo null none

You see if we wanted to save your azz from hell we could let you talk to him. But we don't want to save you, so we don't have to prove anything.

LOL. What a Clodhopper!

Please respond again you're cracking me up!

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#51492 Oct 9, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>From Jerry Coyne's blog; "Why Evolution is True"

“Over at the Templeton-funded BioLogos website there has been a lot of discussion about the historicity of Adam and Eve. This is a problem because scripture claims these two were the progenitors of humanity, but genetics says otherwise. It’s simply not true that all of humanity’s DNA traces back to a pair of individuals who lived no more than 10,000 years ago; indeed, the different bits of our DNA trace back to different ancestors who lived at different times. What’s clear is that our ancestors were in a population of humans, some of whom left Africa around 60,000 years ago, and virtually all of modern human DNA comes from that population, which itself descended from African ancestors who split off about 6 million years ago from the ancestors of modern chimps.”
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/...

*****

And at BioLogos
“This third independent method tells us that everyone alive today is related, but not to a single pair of people. We are related to a population that consisted of several thousand people with their several thousand combinations of these million genetic differences.

HereÂ’s the real point of this. When you have one way of doing a calculation and you get a certain answer, perhaps you are justified in being a little skeptical. Perhaps you made a mathematical mistake, or maybe you made a faulty assumption. However, when you do your calculation using two totally different approaches, using methods with completely different assumptions, and each method gives you the same answer, you become convinced it is correct. Three, of course is just icing on the cake.

So that’s the situation we are in with regard to the human population size in ancient history. There was a bottleneck. There were likely fewer people alive during that time than the number of fans attending a typical NHL hockey game.(We don’t know if they were all together in one village, of course, but the total was small.) However, it was NOT two people. Our species diverged as a population. The data are absolutely clear about that.”
http://biologos.org/blog/does-genetics-point-...

The consensus among real scientists whose field relates to this question are of one voice...Adam and Eve, as written in the Bible, did not exist.

This fact above really eats into the Christian dogma. If no Adam and Eve, what need was there for Jesus. We already have a building pile of evidence against the Biblical Jesus.
Not a fact, just opinions.

You only have a pile of guesses and opinions.

God created the heaven and earth, and all life on earth. All in 6 days.

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