Cockfighting Ban Goes to Governor

Cockfighting Ban Goes to Governor

There are 835 comments on the New York Times story from Mar 9, 2007, titled Cockfighting Ban Goes to Governor. In it, New York Times reports that:

A bill outlawing cockfighting received legislative approval when the State Senate concurred with a measure approved in the House.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at New York Times.

Since: Apr 07

Clovis, NM

#840 May 20, 2007
Laura156 wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree. I provided a few links to some information that should have at least provided you with something to think about.
You either chose not to look at them or believe that the sport of cockfighting is somehow exempt from being inhumane.
As far as I can see, the only one who really took the time to respond to the links I posted was Lonewolf.
I am of the opinion that most of those in favor of seeing cockfighting continue, do so out of sentiment for the sport and will not aknowledge that it is cruel.
This is not about "taking your rights away", it is about cruelty.
The Bush administrations "War on Terror", has done more to take our rights away in the last six years than any other administration in my opinion.
I have noticed that you seldom respond to a fair post regarding justifiable reasons for outlawing this sport. You react by either slinging insults yourself or you turn around and post sanctimoniously about yourself, as if you are above that sort of thing.
I did not chose to not look at something, I was not on site for a few days, I simply did not see those posts, however, I will go back and see what you posted and look at it. If it is as you say, then forgive my oversight. I do have a life other than this forum and simply did not see your posts.

Since: Apr 07

Clovis, NM

#841 May 20, 2007
Laura156 wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree. I provided a few links to some information that should have at least provided you with something to think about.
You either chose not to look at them or believe that the sport of cockfighting is somehow exempt from being inhumane.
As far as I can see, the only one who really took the time to respond to the links I posted was Lonewolf.
I am of the opinion that most of those in favor of seeing cockfighting continue, do so out of sentiment for the sport and will not aknowledge that it is cruel.
This is not about "taking your rights away", it is about cruelty.
The Bush administrations "War on Terror", has done more to take our rights away in the last six years than any other administration in my opinion.
I have noticed that you seldom respond to a fair post regarding justifiable reasons for outlawing this sport. You react by either slinging insults yourself or you turn around and post sanctimoniously about yourself, as if you are above that sort of thing.
Apparently you have not been reading any of my posts lately. However, so be it. Think what you will of me, I told you that I would go back and find your posts and look at your links and I will.

Since: Apr 07

Clovis, NM

#842 May 20, 2007
precious259 wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently you have not been reading any of my posts lately. However, so be it. Think what you will of me, I told you that I would go back and find your posts and look at your links and I will.
I have gone back and looked at some of the links that you posted. Although I admit that I have not read the entire sites or every word, I did scan some of the texts. It seems to primarily be focused on Veganism or Vegetarianism. I do not see the link between these cites and cockfighting nor have I seen where they show any evidence that cockfighting is wrong. I still say that people who believe cockfighting to be "wrong" and people who believe cockfighting to be "right" believe so because they choose to believe so. Not because there is any substantial evidence anywhere that proves EITHER side. However, I will continue to read and look for that information on your cites.

Since: Mar 07

At The Cockfights

#843 May 20, 2007
Laura156 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't fall for your propaganda.
I believe slavery existed for hundreds of years too. You cannot go back to the pre-civil war days. Louisianna is, unfortunately, part of the United States, although in my opinion it may be a good idea to petition it's annexation. That way you can continue to wave your confederate flag and rely on the sport of cockfighting for your financial aid in the event of another Katrina.
We don't need any financial aid from and old hag like you..I would rather die than to have any help from a back sliding woman like your self.. I have absolutely no interest in Your opinion, for one you don't even live here and frankly my dear I don't give a damn if you ever have been are ever will come here..As long as Sanderson Farm is allowed to kill thousands of birds a day I Will fight my fowl and miss there is not a damn thing you are anyone else can do about it...An American Tradition " The Game Cock "

“ "Deo vindice"”

Since: Jan 07

Sulphur, LA

#844 May 20, 2007
Laura156 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't fall for your propaganda.
I believe slavery existed for hundreds of years too. You cannot go back to the pre-civil war days. Louisianna is, unfortunately, part of the United States, although in my opinion it may be a good idea to petition it's annexation. That way you can continue to wave your confederate flag and rely on the sport of cockfighting for your financial aid in the event of another Katrina.
The North invaded the South on the excuse of saving the Union, not slavery, not till after two years of fighting(and those Sounthern boys kicking a$$) did the North even bring up the slavery issue ,this was a ploy to keep other outside countries from assisting the South with arms and ammonition to fight the Northern aggersors. The Confederates were fighting not for slavery but because they were invaded by the North who was wanting to force their will upon the Southern people. I would be ok with Louisiana to become seperate from these same people who today want to force their will upon the people. Those Confederate men and boys who died for the Defence of the South. I am proud of my Southern heritage and will support any of the Old Confederate States to break away from the tyrants of Washington. So Laura, you were not sincere in your polite exchange of views, it was your attempt to try to change our beliefs and now we have rejected what you believe to be the truth you attack with insults like the rest of your friends. I recieved no help from anyone but my fellow friends here in my community after the Hurricane which hit SW,Louisiana, and it was not Katrina. If your help comes with conditions on you controlling me ,you can keep it!
DONT TREAD ON ME!

Since: Apr 07

United States

#845 May 20, 2007
Laura156 wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree. I provided a few links to some information that should have at least provided you with something to think about.
You either chose not to look at them or believe that the sport of cockfighting is somehow exempt from being inhumane.
As far as I can see, the only one who really took the time to respond to the links I posted was Lonewolf.
I am of the opinion that most of those in favor of seeing cockfighting continue, do so out of sentiment for the sport and will not aknowledge that it is cruel.
This is not about "taking your rights away", it is about cruelty.
The Bush administrations "War on Terror", has done more to take our rights away in the last six years than any other administration in my opinion.
I have noticed that you seldom respond to a fair post regarding justifiable reasons for outlawing this sport. You react by either slinging insults yourself or you turn around and post sanctimoniously about yourself, as if you are above that sort of thing.
Laura, Have you ever took a moment to think, Your opinion on what cruelty is, is just that your opinion. Is choping a chickens head off to have hime for dinner cruel, some people think so. Same as cockfighting you think it is cruel, I do not.

Since: Mar 07

At The Cockfights

#846 May 21, 2007
Cockfighting is an American tradition, along with hunting and fishing alike..These sports date back further than your great great great grand father..Cockfighting has been handed down for more than 3,500 years and with many generations and will continue to be handed down for generations to come..I am sure that most of you folks are in some way are involved in some sort of religion..It does not matter if your Catholic, Baptist are non denomination you still believe in a higher being... Now suppose there was a group the raises 40 to 50 million dollars a year and lobbied your State Representative and your State Senator to pass a law that you could no longer practice your religion but only Satanism, would this not go against the way most of you was raised..This will happen to you in a matter of time, every one is so worried about the other person that they over look them self's.. I guess all of you voted for the new National ID Act, yes it is a federal law and it will go into affect in April or May of 2008 it has already passed. Every one is so tied up with ban the cockfighting are ban this, do away with that, and these laws are slipped in and no one really knows or talks about these issues.. So I would suggest with this National ID Act in place you should really be worried about you and your families and not chickens.. Chickens will be the least of your worries when people learn to duplicate these ID cards because this only leaves one alternative, the microchip which is placed under the skin....The Humane society has been testing these chips for years and guess what, they work.... I doubt the Humane Society knowingly is testing for humans, But think for a mintute, we test " every thing " else on animals first... Microchips coming to your house soon...

Since: Mar 07

At The Cockfights

#847 May 21, 2007
Pro Cocker wrote:
<quoted text>That is the truth but don't say that to know it all 2 cents. He's strung too tight as is.
Hey you have it wrong, I am the one that is high strung.. Oh you don't believe me, I will stick my foot "so far" up your A$$... the sweat on my knee shall quench your thirst..lmao
cock farmer in Arkansas

Prairie Grove, AR

#848 May 21, 2007
Ban Cockfighting wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I have. It was the most repulsive thing I have ever seen. I've seen the weights and the forced running of these roosters on slanted board to increase the muscle mass in their legs so they can be stronger than the opponent and inflict more harm. I've seen the metal gaffes which are so dangerous even the handlers wore protection not to be cut accidentally. I'm been to hell and back. These men are void of feelings toward other living things. I've seen men bet their rent money on such stupidity. How can that help the economy? These guys can even afford their own homes and they are betting and often times losing the rent money. Yep, no wonder LA is the shame of the country. We are on the bottom of every lists that measure success in the US. Fathers can't take their kids to the doctor because the paycheck was gambled on which rooster would kill the other.
Man that must make you feel proud that you are a proponent for such a violent and poverty causing sport. Why is LA such a poor state if cockfighting is so profitable? To hear you talk you would think all you barbaric cockfighters would be rich. It's still legal for now. Maybe these bettors will be able to pay their rent and keep more money in their own pockets when cockfighting is deeper in the swamps, right?
ok, I as well do not like to watch the sport, but I have done the research because it is my husbands families tradition. These roosters are not like a dog,cat or human they are born and bred to search out the sent of another rooster in the wild so they can fight til death. Now let me let you in on a little secret in the wild it can go from 36 to 48+ hours before death arrives. You yourself said these fights last 30 mins or so with the gaffs, now tell me which is more humane. something else is we just had a pit busted here in arkansas just down the road from where I live, The USDA ag people showed up as well and they have now killed every cock found at the pit and have served search warrents on the people that where arrested to seize and kill their cocks that where not at the pit some of us like my children who are not allowed to participate in the sport (due to it being illegal not grusome) show these gamecocks in 4H and one more thing I have been privilaged to know many great cockers and no one has ever had a bad thing to say about them these are good decent people that PAY their BILLS and probably yours too through their taxes.Like I said you just need to get the facts before you start making false claims.
450 Experience

Kuwait

#849 May 22, 2007
coopercreek wrote:
<quoted text>Hey you have it wrong, I am the one that is high strung.. Oh you don't believe me, I will stick my foot "so far" up your A$$... the sweat on my knee shall quench your thirst..lmao
You've removed any doubt I've had about you people. Not only are you violent but you have no class at all. You seem intent on proving it to the whole world and you have done a superb job.
Bystander

Bloomington, IL

#850 May 22, 2007
cock farmer in Arkansas wrote:
<quoted text>
ok, I as well do not like to watch the sport, but I have done the research because it is my husbands families tradition. These roosters are not like a dog,cat or human they are born and bred to search out the sent of another rooster in the wild so they can fight til death. Now let me let you in on a little secret in the wild it can go from 36 to 48+ hours before death arrives. You yourself said these fights last 30 mins or so with the gaffs, now tell me which is more humane. something else is we just had a pit busted here in arkansas just down the road from where I live, The USDA ag people showed up as well and they have now killed every cock found at the pit and have served search warrents on the people that where arrested to seize and kill their cocks that where not at the pit some of us like my children who are not allowed to participate in the sport (due to it being illegal not grusome) show these gamecocks in 4H and one more thing I have been privilaged to know many great cockers and no one has ever had a bad thing to say about them these are good decent people that PAY their BILLS and probably yours too through their taxes.Like I said you just need to get the facts before you start making false claims.
Authorities arrested close to 70 people for illegal cockfighting and gambling. Multiple agencies raided three separate places Saturday night, where they say people gathered to watch and bet on cock fighting. Authorities executed search warrants in both Cedarville and Rudy, in Crawford County. Plus, authorities issued another search warrant in Oklahoma.
According to investigators, at the Cedarville home they raided, they found fighting pits that were designed to accommodate spectators.

Down a dirt road in the rural community of Cedarville, investigators say people were holding cockfighting events. Joshua Moses and his family lives next door to the home that was raided. He says for the last two years, cars have been driving down that dirt road and piling onto the property to watch roosters battle it out.

Joshua Moses says, "It was crazy!"

He says people would come from all over. Moses says, "There were people from Missouri, Mississippi, Texas. There was a lot of people."

According to detectives, the roosters would fight to the death on Saturday nights. People would bet on which feathered creature would survive.

Victoria Moses didn't like all the people gathering so close to her home. She says, "There isn't any telling what somebody would do if they wanted something. They could break into your house.

They say more than 20 cop cars and vans rolled up during the bust. Joshua Moses says, "The next thing we knew, there were vans and police cars hauling people off and tow trucks were coming to haul off a bunch of cars."

Now, the Moses family is hoping their Saturday nights will be much quieter. Victoria Moses says, "It is a little comforting that they are not around anymore."

Several agencies helped with the investigation and raid: the FBI, US Marshal's Service, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Arkansas State Police and the Crawford County Sheriff's Department.

The Roosters had to be put down.
Bystander

Bloomington, IL

#851 May 22, 2007
Arkansas Democrat Gazette editorial on cockfighting

Arkansas Democrat Gazette


What culture?
History can't excuse abuse

WE'RE CURIOUS about one particular argument being used by those who breed gamecocks, and want to go on shipping them across state lines for fun and profit-cruel fun and bloody profit.

It's the Culture Argument again.

It's an argument that's been used before-about a lot of ethically dubious practices: It's in my culture. You can't take that away.

Really? We'll see. A federal law to take effect next year will make it illegal to ship gamecocks across state lines. And here in Arkansas, come Election Day, the voters will have a chance to make this kind of cruelty to animals a felony.

But it's a part of my culture!

News flash: Just because some practice is a cultural artifact (like female mutilation, or sacrificing your first born) doesn't make it acceptable. Which is why government-with the consent of the governed-oft steps in to undo some long-standing practice whose barbarity has become obvious. Alas, it also blesses new barbarities, like the abortion of healthy but unwanted babies. Cultures advance or decay, progress or regress. People must shape cultures, not just be shaped by them.

The sale of moonshine in poverty ridden Arkansas was part of this state's culture not too long ago, too. Those who had a few ears of corn were able to turn a small profit, if they could just avoid the revenooers. But that didn't stop law enforcement from busting many a still anyway.

And don't try to shoot a deer from your truck window in September, no matter what your grandpa used to do. Hot Springs may have a history of gambling halls, but they went out when Winthrop Rockefeller came in. Before the 19th Amendment, the culture of this country didn't condone women voting, either.

Before the murder rate became unacceptable, there were few if any obstacles to obtaining weapons in this culture. Background checks would have been laughable.

Slavery was the cold heart and brutal soul of Southern culture until a war you may have heard about put that peculiar institution safely in our past.

Even arguments from religion don't always stand up as the country changes its cultural standards. Today, the government imposes its will on certain Mormon families who have challenged the laws against bigamy as unconstitutional. And religious feelings about immunization or blood transfusions turn out to be an inadequate argument against modern medical treatment.

"It's in my culture," isn't an argument ender. It's an argument-beginner. Because (a) not all cultures are equal, no matter what the multiculturalists claim; (b) cultures change, one hopes for the better; and (c) right is right and cruelty to animals is wrong.

Sendero

Georgetown, TX

#852 May 23, 2007
cock farmer in Arkansas wrote:
<quoted text>
something else is we just had a pit busted here in arkansas just down the road from where I live, The USDA ag people showed up as well and they have now killed every cock found at the pit and have served search warrents on the people that where arrested to seize and kill their cocks that where not at the pit. Like I said you just need to get the facts before you start making false claims.
Just wanted to correct this statement. They are not going to go seize people's gamecocks at their homes. Only the ones that were at the fight were killed. It's not illegal to own gamecocks. It's illegal to fight them (state law) or transport them across state lines for the purpose of fighting them(federal law). Hence, you can have them and even take them across state lines, as long as you aren't fighting them.
Sendero

Georgetown, TX

#853 May 23, 2007
Bystander wrote:
Really? We'll see. A federal law to take effect next year will make it illegal to ship gamecocks across state lines. And here in Arkansas, come Election Day, the voters will have a chance to make this kind of cruelty to animals a felony.
Not sure when the dude wrote this, but current law makes it illegal to ship gamecocks across state lines for the purpose of fighting them. Further, as of May 3, 2007, it was upgraded to a felony charge and also includes cockfighting paraphenalia, i.e. gaffs. Previously it was a misdemeanor and only pertained to the animal, not the gaffs, etc. That's the federal law. State laws differ from state to state, but it's state law that actually makes the act of fighting illegal, not federal law.
Saynt

Pearl, MS

#854 May 23, 2007
Oh my god. This is an actual arguement?

Ever heard of KFC, Churches, Popeyes?

BBQ chick breast, hot wings, Blackened chicken (which I just ate), chicken and dumplings.

Ban Cockfighting? I say it should be a damn holiday.

Since: Mar 07

At The Cockfights

#855 May 23, 2007
450 Experience wrote:
<quoted text>You've removed any doubt I've had about you people. Not only are you violent but you have no class at all. You seem intent on proving it to the whole world and you have done a superb job.
Thanks

Since: Apr 07

Clovis, NM

#856 May 23, 2007
Hey all you Louisianaians, you here about Mike the Tiger? PETA doesn't want LSU to replace Mike? Cruel and all that jazz. Yeah, I sure would hate to live in a 3 million dollar habitat and actually live longer than any other captive Bengal..I can see where they get the cruelty from...yeah...right. PETA will try to ban ANYTHING!
IMAGE

Duffield, VA

#857 May 23, 2007
MY TWO CENTS wrote:
<quoted text> laura, I responded to your post by thanking you for the links and information and told you I would take the time to read them, but also informed you that I would disagree with the information, I have heard the arguments before it is nothing new. Now when I decide to take the time to read your information is my business. Laura, now why would cock fighting be sentimental to me it only has been pased down through my families for over a 100 yrs, for many it may be about the sport or the money but it is much more than that and only someone who has been involved in this great Game fowl can know and appreciate it. Many people are judging not just this sport ,but they re judging the people who have enjoyed it in this state for over 100 yrs and they are judging and game fowl who has survived in the care of the cockers for thousands of years. These same people are making and trying to pass laws under this ban that would destroy the existence of the game fowl by restricting the breeding and the way their raised. Not only is this about the game fowl and the cockers but it goes way deeper than that it is about people who are redefining what freedom is and taking away rights that have been a given since the beginning of this Country.
yes you aer correct

Since: Apr 07

United States

#858 May 23, 2007
Bystander wrote:
<quoted text>
Authorities arrested close to 70 people for illegal cockfighting and gambling. Multiple agencies raided three separate places Saturday night, where they say people gathered to watch and bet on cock fighting. Authorities executed search warrants in both Cedarville and Rudy, in Crawford County. Plus, authorities issued another search warrant in Oklahoma.
According to investigators, at the Cedarville home they raided, they found fighting pits that were designed to accommodate spectators.
Down a dirt road in the rural community of Cedarville, investigators say people were holding cockfighting events. Joshua Moses and his family lives next door to the home that was raided. He says for the last two years, cars have been driving down that dirt road and piling onto the property to watch roosters battle it out.
Joshua Moses says, "It was crazy!"
He says people would come from all over. Moses says, "There were people from Missouri, Mississippi, Texas. There was a lot of people."
According to detectives, the roosters would fight to the death on Saturday nights. People would bet on which feathered creature would survive.
Victoria Moses didn't like all the people gathering so close to her home. She says, "There isn't any telling what somebody would do if they wanted something. They could break into your house.
They say more than 20 cop cars and vans rolled up during the bust. Joshua Moses says, "The next thing we knew, there were vans and police cars hauling people off and tow trucks were coming to haul off a bunch of cars."
Now, the Moses family is hoping their Saturday nights will be much quieter. Victoria Moses says, "It is a little comforting that they are not around anymore."
Several agencies helped with the investigation and raid: the FBI, US Marshal's Service, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Arkansas State Police and the Crawford County Sheriff's Department.
The Roosters had to be put down.
I am so glad the law enforcement officers had nothing better to do like capture and deport the millions of illegal aliens. Arrest drug dealers, child molesters. Since they have all the real problems taken care of I bet this would be a nice area to move to no crime.

Since: Apr 07

United States

#859 May 23, 2007
Bystander wrote:
Arkansas Democrat Gazette editorial on cockfighting
Arkansas Democrat Gazette
What culture?
History can't excuse abuse
WE'RE CURIOUS about one particular argument being used by those who breed gamecocks, and want to go on shipping them across state lines for fun and profit-cruel fun and bloody profit.
It's the Culture Argument again.
It's an argument that's been used before-about a lot of ethically dubious practices: It's in my culture. You can't take that away.
Really? We'll see. A federal law to take effect next year will make it illegal to ship gamecocks across state lines. And here in Arkansas, come Election Day, the voters will have a chance to make this kind of cruelty to animals a felony.
But it's a part of my culture!
News flash: Just because some practice is a cultural artifact (like female mutilation, or sacrificing your first born) doesn't make it acceptable. Which is why government-with the consent of the governed-oft steps in to undo some long-standing practice whose barbarity has become obvious. Alas, it also blesses new barbarities, like the abortion of healthy but unwanted babies. Cultures advance or decay, progress or regress. People must shape cultures, not just be shaped by them.
The sale of moonshine in poverty ridden Arkansas was part of this state's culture not too long ago, too. Those who had a few ears of corn were able to turn a small profit, if they could just avoid the revenooers. But that didn't stop law enforcement from busting many a still anyway.
And don't try to shoot a deer from your truck window in September, no matter what your grandpa used to do. Hot Springs may have a history of gambling halls, but they went out when Winthrop Rockefeller came in. Before the 19th Amendment, the culture of this country didn't condone women voting, either.
Before the murder rate became unacceptable, there were few if any obstacles to obtaining weapons in this culture. Background checks would have been laughable.
Slavery was the cold heart and brutal soul of Southern culture until a war you may have heard about put that peculiar institution safely in our past.
Even arguments from religion don't always stand up as the country changes its cultural standards. Today, the government imposes its will on certain Mormon families who have challenged the laws against bigamy as unconstitutional. And religious feelings about immunization or blood transfusions turn out to be an inadequate argument against modern medical treatment.
"It's in my culture," isn't an argument ender. It's an argument-beginner. Because (a) not all cultures are equal, no matter what the multiculturalists claim; (b) cultures change, one hopes for the better; and (c) right is right and cruelty to animals is wrong.
I am glad GOD sent you here to tell us what is right and wrong, and to change our culture. Once again these are opinions. The bottom line is dont tell me how to live my life and I wont tell you how to live yours!

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