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i am just curious. in world history, we were learning about indian caste systems and the teacher used an old american louisiana caste system. this is how it went:

europeans
creoles
mestizos
mulattos
indians (natives)
africans (black ppl)

the caste system classified a creole as a white person. a full-blooded person of european parentage that was born in the americas. a creole is a white person from the americas.

why is it that there are so many ppl from obvious african ancestry that call themselves creoles? like beyonce's mom and suzanne malveaux from CNN?

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May 30, 2009
 
Interesting!!!!!Go to the Natchitoches Forum and that is where a lot of Real Creole People...(Free People Of Color") Live.

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Hello Folks wrote:
Interesting!!!!!Go to the Natchitoches Forum and that is where a lot of Real Creole People...(Free People Of Color") Live.
i wasn't trying to be rude, but most og the ppl i see claiming to be creole just look like "mulattos" (i hate that term) not actual "creoles" as in what it really is.

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I didn't think you were being rude. I am Creole and I have children that are light with fine hair and children that are dark with more coarse hair and vice versa. Within my family we never know what shade,color or hair type our babies will be lol. I was always taught that I was of black, french, and indian decent. It's kind of confusing but that's why my Grandmother always said that we were free people of color. I hope I helped you a little bit.
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Mulattos and "high yellows" will claim to be Creole when they are really just mutts.
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May 31, 2009
 
There are also Creoles around Cameron Parish. There are also what are called the Sabines which are also from Indian/ African heritage. They are from around the Terrebonne Parish/Orleans Parish.

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May 31, 2009
 
Tons of creoles in Pointe Coupee Parish
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May 31, 2009
 
What's the difference between Creoles and Cajuns?

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May 31, 2009
 
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What's the difference between Creoles and Cajuns?
i have no idea.
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forget all that, most creoles in Louisiana came from Canada - story i was told... let me tell you fag how its went down. when Canada ran the french out they put them on boats well, they weren't sailors they ended up lost and in the gulf, landed on the shores of Louisiana got off poor so they screwed and mingled with the poor: blacks, Indians, and such.... you want to get down to brass tacks, they are just some mixed up french-Canadians, i mean who can even keep track of all that mixing beyonce's mom is just a fat colored. You just been done one by ronnie dobbs.
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Am of Cajun descent living in West Louisiana. Our ancestors were Acadian refugees who rebeled the British Crown from Nova Scotia,Canada. The name "Cajun" was given to them by English speaking colonists when they settled here. The language and culture are totally different from the Creole, French or English settlers.

Creole is Portugese crioulo meaning "native to this place." Louisiana born Spaniards, French and enslaved people with traces of American Indian were coined this. This is why they look Mulatto.

If you are looking for something to do step back in time and visit Cane River Creole National Historical Park in Natchitoches. Might be enlightening:)
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Just to clarify the subject; the Creoles were here long before the Cajuns. We are a totally different ethnic group!:-0
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all i know is that yellas, creole, and mulatto people are fine as hell...most of them
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ronnie dobbs wrote:
forget all that, most creoles in Louisiana came from Canada - story i was told... let me tell you fag how its went down. when Canada ran the french out they put them on boats well, they weren't sailors they ended up lost and in the gulf, landed on the shores of Louisiana got off poor so they screwed and mingled with the poor: blacks, Indians, and such.... you want to get down to brass tacks, they are just some mixed up french-Canadians, i mean who can even keep track of all that mixing beyonce's mom is just a fat colored. You just been done one by ronnie dobbs.
The people exiled from Canada,(Nova Scotia) came to be known as Cajuns not Creoles. The term Creole has many different meanings. The term was first used in baptismal records to identify people who were born in America and not in France or Spain. Evenutally it was used to identify people of who were descendents of white French or Spainish aristocrats. There are many books on these subjects.
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Louisiana Girl wrote:
Just to clarify the subject; the Creoles were here long before the Cajuns. We are a totally different ethnic group!:-0
Yes you are right,the creoles mainly from new orleans were french mixed with black or spanish mixed with black.They were known to be a very upper class race in new orleans and the women were highly prized because of there beauty.The cajuns came later when the spaniards were handing out land grants.The cajuns come from a settlement in nova scotia called acadia and the people were calling themselves acadians. After being exiled by the land grabbing British and disbused all over the world they found out the spaniards were giving land in Louisiana many of them came here to settle . The cajuns were formely known as acadians and then the name derived into the word cajun.
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Creole is a term that has been applied to those European French and Spanish Colonists born in the Louisiana colony itself(and the West Indies).

The Creoles of New Orleans and other older French Communities and Parishes, under Spanish rule, thrived. New Orleans saw a great influx of people from many countries, so the distinctions became important. After the Louisiana Purchase, there were more divisions. The Creoles were not fond of the new Anglo-Americans rushing in, whom they considered uncultured (and obviously not Catholic). There were organizations to sustain Creoles who clung to their speech and culture, such as voting societies and social groups.

Often the slaves of Creoles considered themselves as Creole to seperate themselves from the American slaves and of course there were many levels of mixed race descendents of these Creoles, free people of color (gens de colour) who lived and worked in Louisiana as a part of the greater accepted, though stratified, society.(They were marginalized in the City as American preeminance took hold and devastated eventually by the Civil War and Jim Crow laws.

So historically, "Creole" describes the original white Louisiana colonists, their society, their culture and language and their descendents.. but today it is universally accepted to include the mixed race descendents of those colonists as well.

Interestingly, Creole has different meanings in Mexico, South America and places such as Madagascar. I even think the Gullah of South Carolina are considered a form of Creole, though not with the French Spanish history.
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PS Creole does not come from Canada
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Ps - Also Canada did not run the French out and put them on boats. Much of the French colonies in Canada were lost to the British during the French and Indian Wars of the middle 18th century (Geo. Washington and other future American patriots were involved as they were at that time British subjects)...Montreal/ Quebec remained autonomous which is why French is still spoken there.

The British expected those colonists who chose to remain to be Loyal to the Crown and become Anglican...those who didn't were expelled. Many ended up on the eastern seabord, others returned to France and a large group came to Louisiana though by now it was under Spanish Stewardship as the French were afraid the British would take it and Spain was allied with France through Bourbon blood(the family not the whiskey).

The Acadiens ('cajuns) came in waves in the late 1750's and early 1760's, settled in the bayous and prairies of La.
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WRONG....THE WORD CAJUN IS AN ENGLISH PRONUCIATION OF ACADIAN. CREOLE DEFINES PEOPLE OF ALL COLOR WHO SETTLED SOUTHERN LOUISIANA.
ronnie dobbs wrote:
forget all that, most creoles in Louisiana came from Canada - story i was told... let me tell you fag how its went down. when Canada ran the french out they put them on boats well, they weren't sailors they ended up lost and in the gulf, landed on the shores of Louisiana got off poor so they screwed and mingled with the poor: blacks, Indians, and such.... you want to get down to brass tacks, they are just some mixed up french-Canadians, i mean who can even keep track of all that mixing beyonce's mom is just a fat colored. You just been done one by ronnie dobbs.
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MATTE wrote:
WRONG....THE WORD CAJUN IS AN ENGLISH PRONUCIATION OF ACADIAN. CREOLE DEFINES PEOPLE OF ALL COLOR WHO SETTLED SOUTHERN LOUISIANA.<quoted text>
Creole is NOT people of all colors who settled in South Louisiana. It has a very specific designation to describe a culture and a lineage rooted in French / Spanish colonial ancestry and includes their mixed race issue to this day. Anglo Saxon, German, Irish and/or their mixed race issue are not Creole. Neither would you include the Islenos, the Canary Islanders, who settled along the Missisiippi River and their mixed race descendants ...they had no connection to the culture and habits of the Louisiana Creoles.

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