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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 149600 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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trusted

New Haven, KY

#87244 Sep 16, 2012
A great day to all , here is a great song

Standing on the bank of a river
By the shore
Seems like the devil's always tryin'
To get in my door
Just when I thought I
Couldn't take it anymore
Here he came again
My friend
He keeps sending me angels,
From up on high
He keeps sending me angels,
To teach me to fly
He keeps sending me angels,
Sweet and true
He keeps sending me angels,
Just... like... you...
As I stand on this mountain
Face to the wind,
Amazed by the number of times I have sinned,
And the countless number of enemies
That should have been friends
Here he comes again,
My friend
He keeps sending me angels,
Here they come a-flyin'
He keeps sending me angels,
To keep me from cryin'
He keeps sending me angels,
Sweet and true
He keeps sending me angels,
Just... like... you...
Some say that it's comin'
I say that it's already here
The love that's among us through
The joy and the fear
When I look into your eyes
Everything is so clear
My friend, oh here he comes again
He keeps sending me angels,
From up on high
He keeps sending me angels,
To teach me to fly
He keeps sending me angels,
Sweet and true
He keeps sending me angels,
Just... like... you...

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#87245 Sep 16, 2012
Christian love and understanding,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#87246 Sep 16, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>
I 'let' him deceive me....
Just as you are now!
How genuinely Tardish of you!
Very christian like post, good job.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#87247 Sep 16, 2012
Healthcare wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing being arrived at on these threads. That's the point. There's only alot of disjointed, sporatic, contradictory, back at you comments with a few moronic jabs thrown in for the posters own ego trip.
I heard about this site so I came to check it out. Take this thread. I mean if you can't get it said in 80,000 + posts then why bother. I'll be getting back to living life now. To make a habit out of this site would be an...epic fail,(I'm guessing 15ish)
Lol, bye.
trusted

New Haven, KY

#87248 Sep 16, 2012
Sometimes we need to stop analyzing the past, stop planning the future, stop trying to figure out how we feel, stop telling our mind what we want our heart to feel, AND JUST GO WITH WHAT HAPPENS , HAPPENS..

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#87249 Sep 16, 2012
trusted wrote:
Sometimes we need to stop analyzing the past, stop planning the future, stop trying to figure out how we feel, stop telling our mind what we want our heart to feel, AND JUST GO WITH WHAT HAPPENS , HAPPENS..
And christians should stop trying to force religion on our children in public schools, let our children grow up free of christian hate.

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#87250 Sep 16, 2012
trusted wrote:
Sometimes we need to stop analyzing the past, stop planning the future, stop trying to figure out how we feel, stop telling our mind what we want our heart to feel, AND JUST GO WITH WHAT HAPPENS , HAPPENS..
And since what is happening is that as more people are educated and less people are threatened with death unless they follow the christian cult is that only 35% of the world now follow the christian cult, 40% in the USA

“The Human Condition”

Since: Dec 09

Cannon, KY

#87251 Sep 16, 2012
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>And since what is happening is that as more people are educated and less people are threatened with death unless they follow the christian cult is that only 35% of the world now follow the christian cult, 40% in the USA
And thanks to other religious cults, the middle-east is now in turmoil.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#87252 Sep 16, 2012
The Specialist wrote:
<quoted text>And thanks to other religious cults, the middle-east is now in turmoil.
Cult? That's a bit harsh - There's nothing questionable about a Christian church having a private firing range and selling titles like "The Church Militant is on the rise To Teach Them War", "Practical Helps in Dealing with Demons" and "APPROVED BY GOD A case for Modern Disestablishment". You have to admire the spiritual essence of sermons like "Survivalism a biblical consideration" and "God created gold and silver for specific reasons".
curious

United States

#87253 Sep 16, 2012
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>And since what is happening is that as more people are educated and less people are threatened with death unless they follow the christian cult is that only 35% of the world now follow the christian cult, 40% in the USA
So, what would your long term solution for "the Christian problem" be?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#87254 Sep 16, 2012
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
So, what would your long term solution for "the Christian problem" be?
I see you are back after going back to living, "epic fail", I will tell you what jesus did, he got himself killed, now to answer the question, "what would your long term solution for "the Christian problem" be?", christians should follow their leader, please.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#87255 Sep 16, 2012
I Yoga wrote:
<quoted text>
know anything about what they are spraying in those chemtrails?
Potpourri?

No wait...it's Bifoot powder and Nessie dust. That's it.

lol...chemtrails.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#87256 Sep 16, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Solid Science? If I take a group of people and do a study of them drinking water from a city water supply and compare it to a control group that drinks only Well water and I see that those on City Water had a 40% higher rate of Genital Warts then concluded that City Water causes Genital Warts would that be Solid Science.... Might there be a secondary cause that is never considered in the study , Like more people in the city had contact with HPV infected peoples...
Another example is Pot Smoke causes Brain Damage... Those studies stood as Solid Science for decades until someone pointed out that you actually had to give the test mice Oxygen now and then while pumping pot smoke into their lungs...
But I don't say smoking is as healthy as Eating fresh fruit but solid science is not always as solid as assumed...
But Yes.. If you watch the TV ad's, read the packaging, check out all the claims Smoking has been claimed to be the Cause for everything from emphysema, heart disease, brain cancer, bone cancer, vascular disease, testicular cancer and baldness .... Never even considering that a lot of folk get all the above that have never smoked a cig in their life... And some have smoked since they were 10yo and finally croak out at 102 in a car wreck...
Don't get me wrong, not a good habit... Just pointing out that Solid Science is not always all that Solid.... And Consensus is the Arch Enemy of Good Science....
I disagree. Consensus is a necessary element of good science, if you want to get any science done. Consensus usually means people smarter than you have done the heavy lifting already. If you want to reinvent the wheel at every turn that's ok, but you aren't going to accomplish very much over time.

And when something works, it works.

Science is always provisional and maybe some day clearer data will emerge showing that the correlation between smoking and lung cancer is caused by some other factor. I don't know, you don't know either.

What's the benefit of rejecting the current consensus? Do you have a better theory that you can support with good evidence? If so, run it up the flagpole and see who salutes.

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#87257 Sep 16, 2012
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
So, what would your long term solution for "the Christian problem" be?
The solution would be to learn that their rights end where others rights begin.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#87258 Sep 16, 2012
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree. Consensus is a necessary element of good science, if you want to get any science done. Consensus usually means people smarter than you have done the heavy lifting already. If you want to reinvent the wheel at every turn that's ok, but you aren't going to accomplish very much over time.
And when something works, it works.
Science is always provisional and maybe some day clearer data will emerge showing that the correlation between smoking and lung cancer is caused by some other factor. I don't know, you don't know either.
What's the benefit of rejecting the current consensus? Do you have a better theory that you can support with good evidence? If so, run it up the flagpole and see who salutes.
Consensus as I said is the bane of Good Science... It's encourages Dogma and stops the Scientific Method in it's tracks... There was Consensus that the World was flat, the sun the center of the universe and that Mars had canals filled with flowing water... It took Individuals that fought against consensus to put forth evidence the dogma was wrong, in some cases being put to death for going against consensus... If 10,000 Scientist find consensus that electrons are little balls of stuff then the one guy in a basement that finds evidence that it's Only a wave is never allowed to gather funding and support that could provide the proofs consensus is Wrong...

There have been many that have lost funding, had their careers destroyed, refused publication and personally attacked because they took positions against current consensus... Consensus is very close to Religion in construct... It allows a group to B'Leve and give power to it's priests while controlling it's followers... Then go on attack against the infidels that dare be heretics that speak out against the dogma of the church....

Even when Large numbers of disbelievers stand up in opposition, those that have used Consensus to gain power & influence are Believed due to the claim of Consensus... Man Made Global Warming is a good example... Consensus is still claimed even though over 30,000 degreed scientists and Investigators have put forth statements and evidence it is bunk....

So I stand by the statement that Consensus is the Arch Enemy of Good Science..... Solid Science is consensus built, Good Science is done one experiment at a time without concern with consensus or dogma...

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#87259 Sep 16, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Consensus as I said is the bane of Good Science... It's encourages Dogma and stops the Scientific Method in it's tracks... There was Consensus that the World was flat, the sun the center of the universe and that Mars had canals filled with flowing water... It took Individuals that fought against consensus to put forth evidence the dogma was wrong, in some cases being put to death for going against consensus... If 10,000 Scientist find consensus that electrons are little balls of stuff then the one guy in a basement that finds evidence that it's Only a wave is never allowed to gather funding and support that could provide the proofs consensus is Wrong...
There have been many that have lost funding, had their careers destroyed, refused publication and personally attacked because they took positions against current consensus... Consensus is very close to Religion in construct... It allows a group to B'Leve and give power to it's priests while controlling it's followers... Then go on attack against the infidels that dare be heretics that speak out against the dogma of the church....
Even when Large numbers of disbelievers stand up in opposition, those that have used Consensus to gain power & influence are Believed due to the claim of Consensus... Man Made Global Warming is a good example... Consensus is still claimed even though over 30,000 degreed scientists and Investigators have put forth statements and evidence it is bunk....
So I stand by the statement that Consensus is the Arch Enemy of Good Science..... Solid Science is consensus built, Good Science is done one experiment at a time without concern with consensus or dogma...
I totally agree that dogma is negative. But science is a form of criticism and has embedded in its own methodology a way to weed out dogma. Religion has dogma but no method for weeding it out.

You cited the Martian canals as being a form of dogma. I disagree. Consensus on that issue was never really solid, but even if it was solid it still would not demonstrate that consensus is bad. The observers at the time were working with the best information they had. Over time, as I pointed out already, the inherently critical nature of science demonstrated that these canals were just pareidolia, or illusions. If it was consensus that the earth is flat it was only because the tools for proving otherwise were not fully developed or we hadn't gone far enough to test the theory. That idea was also overturned by critical science.

You cannot have absolute true knowledge. Science is always provisional and consensus merely points to the ideas that seem to have the highest probabilities of being true. That's the best we can hope for.

Look at it this way. If we rejected the consensus of experts we would be left in a lurch of uncertainty. What projects would get funding? The guy who thinks airplanes are spraying his cat with brain control dust? The guy who thinks light is an intelligent force made of jelly? It is possible that this shotgun approach would net something in the long run, but it would take ten steps back for every step forward.

You have to have some kind of firmament to work from. Consensus provides that. If I know that that most people who study cats agree that cats are a**holes then I will gladly accept, provisionally, that cats are probably a**holes. Otherwise I'm basically saying that I know more than the cat experts. If I happen to be a cat expert myself then fine, I can buck that trend and claim they are not a**holes. But I better have plenty of evidence to back up my claim. No one's going to throw me a million dollars because I have a hunch.

Also, think about your Global Warming point. I think the list of experts who deny it are overwhelmingly not experts on climate and therefore I'll put my provisional trust in the actual experts. But even if they were then you'd be guilty of buying into a consensus of 30,000 experts.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#87260 Sep 16, 2012
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I totally agree that dogma is negative. But science is a form of criticism and has embedded in its own methodology a way to weed out dogma. Religion has dogma but no method for weeding it out.
You cited the Martian canals as being a form of dogma. I disagree. Consensus on that issue was never really solid, but even if it was solid it still would not demonstrate that consensus is bad. The observers at the time were working with the best information they had. Over time, as I pointed out already, the inherently critical nature of science demonstrated that these canals were just pareidolia, or illusions. If it was consensus that the earth is flat it was only because the tools for proving otherwise were not fully developed or we hadn't gone far enough to test the theory. That idea was also overturned by critical science.
You cannot have absolute true knowledge. Science is always provisional and consensus merely points to the ideas that seem to have the highest probabilities of being true. That's the best we can hope for.
Look at it this way. If we rejected the consensus of experts we would be left in a lurch of uncertainty. What projects would get funding? The guy who thinks airplanes are spraying his cat with brain control dust? The guy who thinks light is an intelligent force made of jelly? It is possible that this shotgun approach would net something in the long run, but it would take ten steps back for every step forward.
You have to have some kind of firmament to work from. Consensus provides that. If I know that that most people who study cats agree that cats are a**holes then I will gladly accept, provisionally, that cats are probably a**holes. Otherwise I'm basically saying that I know more than the cat experts. If I happen to be a cat expert myself then fine, I can buck that trend and claim they are not a**holes. But I better have plenty of evidence to back up my claim. No one's going to throw me a million dollars because I have a hunch.
Also, think about your Global Warming point. I think the list of experts who deny it are overwhelmingly not experts on climate and therefore I'll put my provisional trust in the actual experts. But even if they were then you'd be guilty of buying into a consensus of 30,000 experts.
"Also, think about your Global Warming point. I think the list of experts who deny it are overwhelmingly not experts on climate and therefore I'll put my provisional trust in the actual experts. But even if they were then you'd be guilty of buying into a consensus of 30,000 experts. "

See Dogma and Consensus becomes Religion... Never once did I say I was in consensus with those 30,000... A single simple question by one person sets aside all consensus.... Which Came First, Co2 Rise or Global Temperature Rise ?... That Question sets aside all Consensus and goes to the Heart of Good Science.... Does not matter if a Million Scientist claim one way or the other... Consensus and Dogma are of no concern.... Without the Verifiable, Testable, Repeatable answer to that question Consensus is religious in nature....

Since: Aug 12

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#87261 Sep 16, 2012
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#87262 Sep 16, 2012
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New Haven, KY

#87263 Sep 16, 2012
“You can close your eyes to the things you do not want to see, but you cannot close your heart to the things you do not want to feel.” Too bad, it would be so awesome if we could as some of you say on here. The heart can always hold more, no matter how tarnished it becomes, there is always room for more love in this world. If we all could become un needin, unwantin, and unhelpless again , we could mend it all.

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