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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142341 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Memento mori”

Since: Jun 11

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#80125 Jun 12, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>If we want our children to do better in school...
Get rid of the "Public", and make the ALL "Charter"...
Ax the teachers that don't do their jobs!
Yeah! Let's ruin the school system even more.

Why would we make them all charter schools when 83% of charter schools perform as well or worse than public schools? Just so 17% of the population will perform better?

A lot of them have been closed down (due mostly to inadequate funding or enrollment), but some of them were closed down due to students performing poorly.

That could end up being a huge waste.
Yes and Amen

Pikeville, KY

#80126 Jun 12, 2012
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Apologists go at these question backwards. You start with your conclusion: God is real, The Bible is 100% true. Then you accept ANY argument that supports your existing belief and reject any argument that does not. This is terrible reasoning. It is like believing a river is fifty feet wide and trying to build a fifty foot bridge for years...despite knowing it is really a hundred feet wide. You dismiss the hundred foot measurement as "only a theory" while your fifty foot bridge remains too short and you just keep preaching about faith in it.
God is real...
Been there done that!
Your analogy is a falacy...
You might want to visit God friendly sites...
Atheist sites won't give you the truth... they cannot!
Believer

Jamestown, KY

#80127 Jun 12, 2012
Justin wrote:
I am a (Gospel Of Christ) Christian, but I don't think the Bible should be taught in public schools.
First, considering how American kids score on standardized tests, I think the school system should stay focussed on reading, math, and science.
Second, I simply don't trust the public school system to teach a subject like religion in a proper way. Why would a Christian want the government to teach their kids about the Bible?
We should be teaching our kids the right way at home and church, right?
God and the Bible should be first in everything and every place.
Yes and Amen

Pikeville, KY

#80128 Jun 12, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually according the the Sumerians Aliens did it and later Religious folks viewed it as Magic...
So Why , Specifically was the writing that came First more incorrect that the writings that came later...
And Specifically what tests of Dating of those different civilizations invalidates the several methods used to date those assorted civilizations...
Oh... And Specifically what kind of rock are you asking about? There are Lots of different kinds... Some can Act as a Sponge. Some can act as a Vault ... None are either...
The alien thing, only pushes back the problem of Who made them!
Moses was given the word straight from God, and as we know...
People that don't like God will make up whatever they feel..
Mans dating techniques are flawed, we don't know exactly how things were back then, and to say "This acts this way now, so it must have acted this way thousands of years ago" Is fallacy!
God is real...:-)
You believe what you want!
Believer

Jamestown, KY

#80129 Jun 12, 2012
EssentialSalts wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah! Let's ruin the school system even more.
Why would we make them all charter schools when 83% of charter schools perform as well or worse than public schools? Just so 17% of the population will perform better?
A lot of them have been closed down (due mostly to inadequate funding or enrollment), but some of them were closed down due to students performing poorly.
That could end up being a huge waste.
"Yeah! Let's ruin the school system even more"

So what's ruining the school system now?

“Memento mori”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#80130 Jun 12, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>God is real...
Been there done that!
Your analogy is a falacy...
You might want to visit God friendly sites...
Atheist sites won't give you the truth... they cannot!
Your argument is fallacious.

You may want to visit sites that teach you things you don't already believe to be true (without evidence).

Truth is not subjective, yet you seem to think that it is.
Yes and Amen

Pikeville, KY

#80131 Jun 12, 2012
CBN Newsletter
Two new studies challenge previous claims that children raised in gay households are no worse off than those raised by married heterosexual parents.
In a survey of 2,988 adults aged 18-39, those raised by lesbian mothers had negative outcomes in 24 of 40 categories when compared to children of married heterosexual couples.
The New Family Structures Study found that those raised by gay fathers had negative outcomes in 19.
"Children appear most apt to succeed well as adults when they spend their entire childhood with their married mother and father and especially when the parents remain married to the present day," University of Texas sociology professor Mark Regnerus said in his study.
A second study challenges a popular American Psychological Association report that has long claimed there is no difference in being raised by gay or heterosexual parents.
Both studies were published in Social Science Research.
http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/social-scien...
...
A Massachusetts judge has ruled the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance do not violate the rights of an atheist couple and their children.
An atheist couple filed a lawsuit against the Acton-Boxborough Regional School District, claiming the words violated their rights.
But Middlesex Superior Court Judge Jane Haggerty disagreed.
"The Pledge is a voluntary patriotic exercise, and the inclusion of the phrase 'under God' does not convert the exercise into a prayer," Haggerty wrote in her in her 24-page opinion.
The judge also noted that having students recite the pledge was not a violation of state law or the school's anti-discrimination policy.
School Superintendent Stephen Mills said the district is pleased with the judge's decision.
"We are pleased with the court's decision regarding the claim of discrimination," Mills said in a letter to his staff. "And we continue to work hard to provide a positive and accepting educational environment for all of the students in the communities that we serve."
According to attorney David Niose, the atheist couple who filed the case against the school system, is planning to appeal the ruling.

“Memento mori”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#80132 Jun 12, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>The alien thing, only pushes back the problem of Who made them!
Moses was given the word straight from God, and as we know...
People that don't like God will make up whatever they feel..
This is how close-minded you are. You cannot see that the same ideas can be applied to your beliefs. Take a look at this: The God thing only pushes back the problem of who made him!
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Mans dating techniques are flawed, we don't know exactly how things were back then, and to say "This acts this way now, so it must have acted this way thousands of years ago" Is fallacy!
Actually the dating techniques are quite accurate. In fact, several off them corroborate the results of other dating techniques.

One of your biggest misconceptions is that you state science pretends to know everything when it doesn't do that at all. It's ironic really since you pretend to know everything because you've read one book and have been brainwashed by young Earth creationists who have been disproved.
The truth sets you free

Cocoa Beach, FL

#80133 Jun 12, 2012
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> so are you a JW- I seem to have forgotten what your views are....
WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES BELIEVE
Belief Scriptural Reason
Bible is God's Word and is truth 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21; John 17:17

Bible is more reliable than tradition Matt. 15:3; Col. 2:8

God's name is Jehovah Ps. 83:18; Isa. 26:4; 42:8, AS; Ex. 6:3

Christ is God's Son and is inferior to Him Matt. 3:17; John 8:42; 14:28; 20:17; 1 Cor. 11:3; 15:28

Christ was first of God's creations Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14

Christ died on a stake, not a cross Gal. 3:13; Acts 5:30

Christ's human life was paid as a ransom for obedient humans Matt. 20:28; 1 Tim. 2:5, 6; 1 Pet. 2:24

Christ's one sacrifice was sufficient Rom. 6:10; Heb. 9:25-28

Christ was raised from the dead as an immortal spirit person 1 Pet. 3:18; Rom. 6:9; Rev. 1:17, 18

Christ's presence is in spirit John 14:19; Matt. 24:3; 2 Cor. 5:16; Ps. 110:1, 2

We are now in the 'time of the end' Matt. 24:3-14; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; Luke 17:26-30

Kingdom under Christ will rule earth in righteousness and peace Isa. 9:6, 7; 11:1-5; Dan. 7:13, 14; Matt. 6:10

Kingdom will bring ideal living conditions to earth Ps. 72:1-4; Rev. 7:9, 10, 13-17; 21:3, 4

Earth will never be destroyed or depopulated Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69

God will eliminate present system of things in the battle at Har-Magedon Rev. 16:14, 16; Zeph. 3:8; Dan. 2:44; Isa. 34:2; 55:10, 11

Wicked will be eternally destroyed Matt. 25:41-46; 2 Thess. 1:6-9

People God approves will receive everlasting life John 3:16; 10:27, 28; 17:3; Mark 10:29, 30

There is only one road to life Matt. 7:13, 14; Eph. 4:4, 5

Human death is due to Adam's sin Rom. 5:12; 6:23

The human soul ceases to exist at death Ezek. 18:4; Eccl. 9:10; Ps. 6:5; 146:4; John 11:11-14

Hell is mankind's common grave Job 14:13, Dy; Rev. 20:13, 14, AV (margin)

Hope for dead is resurrection 1 Cor. 15:20-22; John 5:28, 29; 11:25, 26

Adamic death will cease 1 Cor. 15:26, 54; Rev. 21:4; Isa. 25:8

Only a little flock of 144,000 go to heaven and rule with Christ Luke 12:32; Rev. 14:1, 3; 1 Cor. 15:40-53; Rev. 5:9, 10

The 144,000 are born again as spiritual sons of God 1 Pet. 1:23; John 3:3; Rev. 7:3, 4

New covenant is made with spiritual Israel Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:10-13

Christ's congregation is built upon himself Eph. 2:20; Isa. 28:16; Matt. 21:42

Prayers are to be directed only to Jehovah through Christ John 14:6, 13, 14; 1 Tim. 2:5

Images should not be used in worship Ex. 20:4, 5; Lev. 26:1; 1 Cor. 10:14; Ps. 115:4-8

Spiritism must be shunned Deut. 18:10-12; Gal. 5:19-21; Lev. 19:31

Satan is invisible ruler of world 1 John 5:19; 2 Cor. 4:4; John 12:31

A Christian ought to have no part in interfaith movements 2 Cor. 6:14-17; 11:13-15; Gal. 5:9; Deut. 7:1-5

A Christian should keep separate from world Jas. 4:4; 1 John 2:15; John 15:19; 17:16

Obey human laws that do not conflict with God's laws Matt. 22:20, 21; 1 Pet. 2:12; 4:15

Taking blood into body through mouth or veins violates God's laws Gen. 9:3, 4; Lev. 17:14; Acts 15:28, 29

Bible's laws on morals must be obeyed 1 Cor. 6:9, 10; Heb. 13:4; 1 Tim. 3:2; Prov. 5:1-23

Sabbath observance was given only to Israel and ended with Mosaic Law Deut. 5:15; Ex. 31:13; Rom. 10:4; Gal. 4:9, 10; Col. 2:16, 17

A clergy class and special titles are improper Matt. 23:8-12; 20:25-27; Job 32:21, 22

Man did not evolve but was created Isa. 45:12; Gen. 1:27; Matt. 19:4

Christ set example that must be followed in serving God 1 Pet. 2:21; Heb. 10:7; John 4:34; 6:38

Baptism by complete immersion symbolizes dedication Mark 1:9, 10; John 3:23; Acts 19:4, 5

Christians gladly give public testimony to Scriptural truth Rom. 10:10; Heb. 13:15; Isa. 43:10-12
The truth sets you free

Cocoa Beach, FL

#80134 Jun 12, 2012
BobbyJunior wrote:
I thought Sunday school was for teaching the bible. Public school should be for teaching kids how to read and write and count and get a job.
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BobbyJunior
http://iSupportCoal.com/BobbyJunior
I agree with you! Now explain what place does the teaching of "Evolution" have in the public school system and how does it benefit anyone?

“Memento mori”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#80135 Jun 12, 2012
The truth sets you free wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you! Now explain what place does the teaching of "Evolution" have in the public school system and how does it benefit anyone?
Asking how evolution has a benefit to anyone and what place it has in school is no different than asking the same about gravity, photosynthesis, or astronomy.

Evolution is fact-based (hence it being called a theory--the graduation point for an idea). It teaches students how life changed over time and how all life is connected on this planet. Why wouldn't we teach something that we know to be true? How else are we to keep people interested in that field so they'll aspire to learn more about it?

I suggest going to http://talkorigins.org/ .
bookit

Whitley City, KY

#80138 Jun 13, 2012
The Bible:
A book about incest, murder, beastiality, cruelty and impossible things. Often read to children.
trusted

Morgantown, KY

#80139 Jun 13, 2012
Okay if I chose to see only the bad in things then I would not be able to see the good in others. How can your eyes be open to bad and closed to the good?
Sorry but I feel this way
The Bible:
A book of hope , faith and morals for which we learn to overcome the bad thru faith and prayer. Read to children to help guide them.
Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#80140 Jun 13, 2012
EssentialSalts wrote:
<quoted text>
A new record! In just 5 lines, you have discussed four things you know nothing about.
There are civilizations that predate the time when Adam and Eve would have been around. Saying God was there since the beginning is a huge cop-out when man has been around for 200,000 years.
Some of the things those civilizations wrote down (the supernatural tales) are wrong, just as the book you follow is wrong. I don't recall anyone here saying they think the great flood happened and that it was really Utnapishtim instead of Noah. Rather, the original story featured Utnapishtim and the Christian tale is an evolution of that story.
There is also a history of the god in the bible and how he changed over time as well. I'd share that here if there were enough space and if you would actually read it, but I know you'll just read the first sentence and start screaming about abortions.
Oh, and your lie about dating being 90% wrong comes from young Earth creationists who assume the Earth and universe are 6,000-10,000 years old. They say that because science doesn't agree with what _they_ say, the scientists must be wrong. Right, all the experts in the field who have corroborated those facts are wrong.
Hahahahaha!
"all the experts in the field who have corroborated those facts are wrong"
Absolutely!
You argue that "This or that" cannot be true, because you cannot have a God that can do these things!
You can claim "This, or that" to be untrue... but you were not there to prove them yourself! You have to take their words on it!
Evilution is a "Faith" based belief system, and you deny any evidence that would prove you Wrong!
God is real!
You do not have to believe me, or God... it is your choice!
Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#80141 Jun 13, 2012
You cannot have a rational conversation with an irrational person!
That is so true!
Scientists search the skies for a signal, a patern of numbers that would prove
Intellegence, a signal that says "We are here!"
Yet when presented with data, a Singal strand of DNA in an exteamly complex
machine, a cell... So complex, that if one piece was out of place, it would fail!
It screams an intellegent Designer, yet you do not listen!
Evidence of a global flood... denied!
Pollystrata fossils, trees scattered through layers supposedly Billions of years old!
Yet testing only a few thousand... denied!
People telling their stories of leaving earth, entering heaven, or hell, or both!
Sent back to tell what they know... denied!
People telling how perverse they WERE, and that Jesus cleaned them from their sinful ways... denied!
The Bible telling just how it will be in these days... denied!
Millions of Christians believing in God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and
yet only a couple handfuls of scientists falsifying data to say there is no God!
You'd believe them before you'd believe us, and the Bible says you would!
You guys say that you will believe only what you can test...
Yet you will not even try to test the Lord, asking Him to prove Himself to you!
No! You cannot have God to be real! It would mean that You are Wrong, and
you just cannot have that... can you?
From ALL of us, to ALL of you... God is real!
If you do not WANT to find God... you won't, but if you truly do... you will!

If you were the irrational person... would you even know it???
God is Real!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#80142 Jun 13, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
CBN Newsletter
Two new studies challenge previous claims that children raised in gay households are no worse off than those raised by married heterosexual parents.
In a survey of 2,988 adults aged 18-39, those raised by lesbian mothers had negative outcomes in 24 of 40 categories when compared to children of married heterosexual couples.
The New Family Structures Study found that those raised by gay fathers had negative outcomes in 19.
"Children appear most apt to succeed well as adults when they spend their entire childhood with their married mother and father and especially when the parents remain married to the present day," University of Texas sociology professor Mark Regnerus said in his study.
A second study challenges a popular American Psychological Association report that has long claimed there is no difference in being raised by gay or heterosexual parents.
Both studies were published in Social Science Research.
http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/social-scien...
...
A Massachusetts judge has ruled the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance do not violate the rights of an atheist couple and their children.
An atheist couple filed a lawsuit against the Acton-Boxborough Regional School District, claiming the words violated their rights.
But Middlesex Superior Court Judge Jane Haggerty disagreed.
"The Pledge is a voluntary patriotic exercise, and the inclusion of the phrase 'under God' does not convert the exercise into a prayer," Haggerty wrote in her in her 24-page opinion.
The judge also noted that having students recite the pledge was not a violation of state law or the school's anti-discrimination policy.
School Superintendent Stephen Mills said the district is pleased with the judge's decision.
"We are pleased with the court's decision regarding the claim of discrimination," Mills said in a letter to his staff. "And we continue to work hard to provide a positive and accepting educational environment for all of the students in the communities that we serve."
According to attorney David Niose, the atheist couple who filed the case against the school system, is planning to appeal the ruling.
CBN...hmmm. I will look into these two studies further. But two studies cannot settle a matter, especially if more studies disagree.

Off the cuff I'd say it does matter. Wrong is still wrong and basing law on homophobia is wrong. Also, given the fact that folks like you make being gay a nightmare, I would expect any outcome from a life touched by religious bigotry to be challenging at best.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#80143 Jun 13, 2012
The truth sets you free wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you! Now explain what place does the teaching of "Evolution" have in the public school system and how does it benefit anyone?
Education must be critical at it's base. Science is our most practical application of critical thinking. Without good science education the USA will fall behind the rest of the world. Evolution IS the basis of biological science.

Education is not merely about reading, writing, and arithmetic. That is a narrow view.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#80144 Jun 13, 2012
trusted wrote:
Okay if I chose to see only the bad in things then I would not be able to see the good in others. How can your eyes be open to bad and closed to the good?
Sorry but I feel this way
The Bible:
A book of hope , faith and morals for which we learn to overcome the bad thru faith and prayer. Read to children to help guide them.
What guidance comes from God commanding his people to kill men, women, and children and take their land? It is just as much a part of the Bible as the good vibrations passages.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#80145 Jun 13, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
You cannot have a rational conversation with an irrational person!
That is so true!
Scientists search the skies for a signal, a patern of numbers that would prove
Intellegence, a signal that says "We are here!"
Yet when presented with data, a Singal strand of DNA in an exteamly complex
machine, a cell... So complex, that if one piece was out of place, it would fail!
It screams an intellegent Designer, yet you do not listen!
Evidence of a global flood... denied!
Pollystrata fossils, trees scattered through layers supposedly Billions of years old!
Yet testing only a few thousand... denied!
People telling their stories of leaving earth, entering heaven, or hell, or both!
Sent back to tell what they know... denied!
People telling how perverse they WERE, and that Jesus cleaned them from their sinful ways... denied!
The Bible telling just how it will be in these days... denied!
Millions of Christians believing in God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and
yet only a couple handfuls of scientists falsifying data to say there is no God!
You'd believe them before you'd believe us, and the Bible says you would!
You guys say that you will believe only what you can test...
Yet you will not even try to test the Lord, asking Him to prove Himself to you!
No! You cannot have God to be real! It would mean that You are Wrong, and
you just cannot have that... can you?
From ALL of us, to ALL of you... God is real!
If you do not WANT to find God... you won't, but if you truly do... you will!

If you were the irrational person... would you even know it???
God is Real!
It's like having a conversation with a Weeble Wobble.
Justin

United States

#80147 Jun 13, 2012
bookit wrote:
The Bible:
A book about incest, murder, beastiality, cruelty and impossible things. Often read to children.
But none of that has anything to do with Christ-ianity. It really is unfortunate the Midieval Catholic Church decided to bundle the Gospels of Christ together with the Old Testament books, which are full of weird Jewish history and customs.

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