Women need to speak up about birth control

Feb 16, 2012 Full story: The Baltimore Sun 375

Where are the women? In the extreme and ill-tempered debate over the availability of contraceptives for women, we have heard from the president, the bishops of the Roman Catholic Church, the Republican presidential candidates, members if Congress and various talking heads on TV.

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Tom

Kansas City, MO

#1 Feb 16, 2012
If you would read the comments at the ends of the many news articles about this, wou would be hearing from the women. Nobody interviews them.
keen

United States

#2 Feb 16, 2012
guys need to stop expecting the women to sort it just cos they are the ones who carry the baby when it happens, and they need to realise condoms are more thn jus for preventing unwantd pregnancies
fedupwiththemess

Manassas, VA

#3 Feb 16, 2012
No, women need to keep their legs closed and let men have hand jobs then they won't be trying to regulate a womans birth control.
imaginaryfriend

Garden City, MI

#4 Feb 16, 2012
Rep. Issa's all men committee on women's rights to choice about birth control today indicates how much the RepUGLYcons hate women. Not too many women will be voting repuglicon this year or anytime soon. Intelligent people don't want a return to the Dark Ages, when the church ruled.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#5 Feb 17, 2012
2:45 pm, Friday, February 17, 2012:
RE: Women need to speak up about birth control
..... Birth control may be too late - start with sex control!
kansasguy

Shawnee, KS

#6 Feb 17, 2012
imaginaryfriend wrote:
Rep. Issa's all men committee on women's rights to choice about birth control today indicates how much the RepUGLYcons hate women. Not too many women will be voting repuglicon this year or anytime soon. Intelligent people don't want a return to the Dark Ages, when the church ruled.
Unfortunately, the facts of previous elections indicate just the opposite....that women do in fact vote Republican. I am afraid that the moderate middle will not realize what they have lost (after voting Republican) until too late.
fedupwiththemess

Manassas, VA

#7 Feb 17, 2012
QUITTNER wrote:
2:45 pm, Friday, February 17, 2012:
RE: Women need to speak up about birth control
..... Birth control may be too late - start with sex control!
Men need to control their niagra.
keen

United States

#8 Feb 17, 2012
fedupwiththemess wrote:
No, women need to keep their legs closed and let men have hand jobs then they won't be trying to regulate a womans birth control.
yea right, cos its only important the guy gets any satisfaction. more men shud get onto the male contraceptive
Join Free

Since: Apr 08

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#9 Feb 17, 2012
Before we were married, my girlfriend went on birth control pills.

That was March 1965.

Birth control pills have been available for a long time and not all that expensive.

Anyone that can afford two delivered pizzas and three liters of pop a month can afford the pills.

Typical of the Gimme generation to want someone else to foot the bill.
achyfi

Arlington, MA

#10 Feb 17, 2012
Bama Yankee wrote:
Before we were married, my girlfriend went on birth control pills.
That was March 1965.
Birth control pills have been available for a long time and not all that expensive.
Anyone that can afford two delivered pizzas and three liters of pop a month can afford the pills.
Typical of the Gimme generation to want someone else to foot the bill.
Not only that, you can get free condoms at any health clinic or college health center. The only reason people make a political issue out of birth control is that either a) they want to fight over religion or b) they want to fight over abortion. But they don't have the guts to actually admit what their real issue is so they pretend it's about contraception. I'm so tired of it.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

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#11 Feb 18, 2012
QUITTNER wrote:
2:45 pm, Friday, February 17, 2012:
RE: Women need to speak up about birth control
..... Birth control may be too late - start with sex control!
I agree with you, but remember - the Catholic church doesn't allow women to speak up about religious matters. Not sexist, are they? LOL

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#12 Feb 18, 2012
imaginaryfriend wrote:
Rep. Issa's all men committee on women's rights to choice about birth control today indicates how much the RepUGLYcons hate women. Not too many women will be voting repuglicon this year or anytime soon. Intelligent people don't want a return to the Dark Ages, when the church ruled.
That Congressional hearing was not over "women's rights to choice about birth control". It was expressly about the Constitutionality of a law requiring the Catholic church and it's entities to indirectly provide for birth control through insurance coverage to it's employees. It was NOT a hearing to determine whether birth control is "right" or "wrong", or even to determine whether women have a right to have access to birth control. The Catholic church is not denying access to birth control to it's employees. The Catholic church is just saying that it should not be forced to directly or indirectly provide coverage for something that they have held a fundamental position against for centuries.

You should be very careful. I assume you do NOT want Republicans to have the power to take away any of YOUR rights. Well, if the government can make the Catholic church do this today, then that is one more freedom given back to the government. And eventually, that will come back to bite you in the ass. You think that you are safe, but when the government starts infringing on the rights of the people, eventually they begin to infringe the rights of all of the people.

You should stop being so emotional about this, and start thinking logically. They WANT you all worked up, so they can say "See, people WANT us to do this. It's the will of the people." Then tomorrow or next year or next decade, it will be you they come for.

I know you will post a hateful response to this, that just seems to be what people like you know how to do best. But before you fly off the handle, why don't you think about it and try to give me a rational response?

Again, the Catholic church is not saying that it's employees cannot use birth control. It is only saying that it violates the tenets of their religion if they are forced to pay for it, either directly or indirectly.

Since: Oct 11

Jaipur, India

#13 Feb 18, 2012
keen wrote:
guys need to stop expecting the women to sort it just cos they are the ones who carry the baby when it happens, and they need to realise condoms are more thn jus for preventing unwantd pregnancies
I think you should consult to the doctor. after than i hope your problem will be solved....thanks

“16 is NOT my age. ”

Since: Mar 11

KC MO

#14 Feb 18, 2012
testpattern wrote:
<quoted text>
That Congressional hearing was not over "women's rights to choice about birth control". It was expressly about the Constitutionality of a law requiring the Catholic church and it's entities to indirectly provide for birth control through insurance coverage to it's employees. It was NOT a hearing to determine whether birth control is "right" or "wrong", or even to determine whether women have a right to have access to birth control. The Catholic church is not denying access to birth control to it's employees. The Catholic church is just saying that it should not be forced to directly or indirectly
provide coverage for something that they have held a fundamental position
against for centuries.
You should be very careful. I assume you do NOT want Republicans to
have the power to take away any of YOUR rights. Well, if the government
can make the Catholic church do this today, then that is one more freedom
given back to the government. And eventually, that will come back to bite
you in the ass. You think that you are safe, but when the government starts
infringing on the rights of the people, eventually they begin to infringe the
rights of all of the people.
You should stop being so emotional about this, and start thinking logically.
They WANT you all worked up, so they can say "See, people WANT us to
do this. It's the will of the people." Then tomorrow or next year or next
decade, it will be you they come for.
I know you will post a hateful response to this, that just seems to be what
people like you know how to do best. But before you fly off the handle, why
don't you think about it and try to give me a rational response?
Again, the Catholic church is not saying that it's employees cannot use birth
control. It is only saying that it violates the tenets of their religion if they are
forced to pay for it, either directly or indirectly.
I agree with what you are saying about what the debate is that is going on, however I don't agree with what you said the Catholic church says their employees can't use birth control. This IS accurate I guess, but the ONLY birth control the Catholic church is abstinance. I'm Catholic, but I kinda quite going to church, for the most part, because of this very reason. I take birth control but felt like a hypocrite so I quite going.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15 Feb 18, 2012
Ellie16 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with what you are saying about what the debate is that is going on, however I don't agree with what you said the Catholic church says their employees can't use birth control. This IS accurate I guess, but the ONLY birth control the Catholic church is abstinance. I'm Catholic, but I kinda quite going to church, for the most part, because of this very reason. I take birth control but felt like a hypocrite so I quite going.
And I think your response is probably the proper one. You decided that if that is what your church believes, then it is probably not right for you, so you left. It's just that some in this debate want to make the church change it's position to fit what they think is right or wrong. I understand the Catholic church has it's problems, but if they are going to make a change it needs to be from inside, not forced from the outside. Nobody or no organization forced to change from the outside has really changed. It's only when a person or organization is convinced that they are or have been wrong, that they will truly change.

BTW, you are not a hypocrite just because you practice something the church says is wrong. You would only be a hypocrite if you were using birth control, and told other people they were wrong for using birth control. In fact, it would have to be even stronger than that: to truly be a hypocrite you would have to force people to not use birth control, while you were actually using it yourself. You're not a hypocrite, Ellie.
Door King

Sylvan Grove, KS

#16 Feb 18, 2012
"It's just that some in this debate want to make the church change it's position to fit what they think is right or wrong."

Uh, when like 100 percent of the members use contraception, how can it be changed from the inside?

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#17 Feb 18, 2012
Door King wrote:
"It's just that some in this debate want to make the church change it's position to fit what they think is right or wrong."
Uh, when like 100 percent of the members use contraception, how can it be changed from the inside?
And that's my point. First of all, I have heard that statistic, and it is 98% of members who do not want get pregnant who use birth control. So obviously if those members do not want a pregnancy then they are using birth control. It is not 98% of ALL Catholics, just 98% of those who are trying to prevent a pregnancy that use birth control. So that statistic is very misleading and way off base.

But, lets assume that it is true that nearly all Catholics use contraception. And I would still assume that the true percentage is quite high, I am not naive. The proper response would be for those Catholics to attempt to change the church's position from within. And if they cannot change the position from within, then they should probably consider leaving the change, as Ellie in the post above has done.

This is what I see as the problem with what happens in situations like this today: Suppose I went into Wendy's fast food restaurant, and ordered Chinese food. Well, Wendy's does not serve Chinese food, and they would tell me so. So the next time that I wanted Chinese food, I would go to someplace that serves Chinese food, like say.. a Chinese restaurant. What I would NOT do, is go back to Wendy's day after day after day, and keep ordering Chinese food. But that is what many people do today. Not only would they keep going back, trying to get Chinese food, but at some point they would start to demonstrate against Wendy's, and try to get on the news, and call them unfair, and accuse them of being prejudiced against Chinese people. And then ultimately, they would try to influence lawmakers to write a law that Wendy's has to start providing Chinese food.

Well, if you set that kind of precedence, where does it stop? Why shouldn't Wendy's be forced to provide everything that anyone who comes through their doors wants? Eventually, Wendy's would be put out of business. Except at that point, I am afraid the government would step in and say "No, Wendy's, you cannot go out of business. Here is our list of rules, and here is how you are going to run your business. Make it work."

My point is: if all of those Catholics think contraception is okay, then they should let their priests and cardinals know. Of course, I understand how the Catholic church is set up, and the pope is probably not going to make some decree that birth control is okay just because a lot of Catholics want it to be. So then maybe they should consider leaving the church, and those employees of Catholic institutions who want contraceptives covered by their health plan (BTW, how expensive is that? Why is it something that has to be covered, when they can go to Planned Parenthood and get it free?)... well, those employees ARE free to seek employment elsewhere if they are not happy with the coverage provided by the Catholic church.

Again, if we keep putting this kind of power in the government's hands, it is not going to stop where we want it to stop. Eventually they are going to come after something that affects you personally, and then I think you will see it in a whole different light.

“16 is NOT my age. ”

Since: Mar 11

KC MO

#19 Feb 18, 2012
testpattern wrote:
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And I think your response is probably the proper one. You decided that if that is what your church believes, then it is probably not right for you, so you left. It's just that some in this debate want to make the church change it's position to fit what they think is right or wrong. I understand the Catholic church has it's problems, but if they are going to make a change it needs to be from inside, not forced from the outside. Nobody or no organization forced to change from the outside has really changed. It's only when a person or organization is convinced that they are or have been wrong, that they will truly change.
BTW, you are not a hypocrite just because you practice something the
church says is wrong. You would only be a hypocrite if you were using birth control, and told other people they were wrong for using birth control. In
fact, it would have to be even stronger than that: to truly be a hypocrite you
would have to force people to not use birth control, while you were actually
using it yourself. You're not a hypocrite, Ellie.
Thanks. I've talked a lot about this with my mom. I still do go to church from time to time. I do sill consider myself a Catholic. It's just hard sometimes. Kinda hard to explain. Thanks again.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#20 Feb 18, 2012
Ellie16 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks. I've talked a lot about this with my mom. I still do go to church from time to time. I do sill consider myself a Catholic. It's just hard sometimes. Kinda hard to explain. Thanks again.
Check your pm's. I have a similar situation if you ever want to talk.

“16 is NOT my age. ”

Since: Mar 11

KC MO

#21 Feb 18, 2012
testpattern wrote:
<quoted text>
Check your pm's. I have a similar situation if you ever want to talk.
Thanks, because when I'm posting on my itouch I can't see if I have PM's until I go to "full site". I do need to meet a friend in a few minutes. I'll check a little later though. Have a nice day.

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