An overview of education in Kansas

An overview of education in Kansas

There are 21 comments on the Hays Daily News story from Mar 28, 2011, titled An overview of education in Kansas. In it, Hays Daily News reports that:

According to the Kansas Association of School Boards, Kansas spends below the national average per pupil in education funding.

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Earlpittsamurica n

Parsons, KS

#1 Mar 28, 2011
The article further states that even though we spend less than average, student acheivement is higher than those states that spend more money. Hmmm. Is it at all possible that this means throwing money at something isn't always the answer?
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#2 Mar 28, 2011
Earlpittsamurican wrote:
The article further states that even though we spend less than average, student acheivement is higher than those states that spend more money. Hmmm. Is it at all possible that this means throwing money at something isn't always the answer?
I would say so. You have to know what you are throwing it at, and where it goes once thrown.
Our country is too darn big to keep track of all that it seems.

I suspect at least *part* of the success of the Kansas education system has as much to do with environment ~ ie still a solid, middle of the road culture here, with fewer larger urban areas.

You just can't separate education from family and environment.

I've spent a couple years working in education, and it remains the most demanding job I've ever had.

It could also be the most rewarding, but I went home butt tired every night, and got sick more often than I ever have in my entire life. ANd you still have to work even when you are sick.

And, as you know, full time teachers spend a lot of time on nights and weekends still working at their job,
Earlpittsamurica n

Parsons, KS

#3 Mar 28, 2011
I have friends,(a husband and wife couple) who both taught for years before retiring. One walked out the door shortly after the kids left caught up and ready for the next day. His room was ready for the next year as soon as school was out in the Spring.(You know the type. One of those who are so dadgummed organized they make you sick.) The other spent evenings grading, making phone calls, preparing lessons and whatnot. The latter is most likely more the average. But then, they probably don't get phone calls from farmers at 5:30 in the morning wanting me to pick up their trucks for service on my way to work and ask me, "did I get you up?" "No, you didn't get me up. The dam phone was ringing anyway." Most anybody who is committed to doing a good job brings work home with them. Except for those organized buttheads of course.

A fair amount of money could be saved in the school systems by combining administrations in smaller districts. We have 3 districts in our county. 1 4A, 1 2A and 1 1A district. 1 administrtation could handle all 3 districts. Then, pass the savings on to the teachers.
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#4 Mar 28, 2011
Earlpittsamurican wrote:
I have friends,(a husband and wife couple) who both taught for years before retiring. One walked out the door shortly after the kids left caught up and ready for the next day. His room was ready for the next year as soon as school was out in the Spring.(You know the type. One of those who are so dadgummed organized they make you sick.) The other spent evenings grading, making phone calls, preparing lessons and whatnot. The latter is most likely more the average. But then, they probably don't get phone calls from farmers at 5:30 in the morning wanting me to pick up their trucks for service on my way to work and ask me, "did I get you up?" "No, you didn't get me up. The dam phone was ringing anyway." Most anybody who is committed to doing a good job brings work home with them. Except for those organized buttheads of course.
A fair amount of money could be saved in the school systems by combining administrations in smaller districts. We have 3 districts in our county. 1 4A, 1 2A and 1 1A district. 1 administrtation could handle all 3 districts. Then, pass the savings on to the teachers.
There is a whole issue around men and women involved in education at all levels from kindergarten to graduate school. Not sure I want to open up that hornet's nest, but women tend to be more hands on, spending more time with their students. That's a general tendency, and there are of course exceptions on both sides.

This cracked me up ~
"did I get you up?" "No, you didn't get me up. The dam phone was ringing anyway."
Earlpittsamurica n

Parsons, KS

#5 Mar 29, 2011
I actually told a guy that at 5:45 one morning, but he didn't get it.

I had some very good teachers in school. My favorite was my Spanish teacher. I took 3 years of Spanish from her. She was a very dedicated young (at that time) woman. My football coach also was very good. He taught me a lot about life in general. One of the biggest things he taught me was that civil disobedience needs to be displayed now and then. Every Friday night before a game, he and the entire team went to a knee and recited the Lord's Prayer. We were only about 7 or 8 years into the "no prayer in school" mandates, but he didn't care. He wanted divine assistance in keeping his guys safe.

Both my boys had a
Government teacher that they thought a lot of. they probably got the lowest grades from him, but they learned the most.
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#6 Mar 29, 2011
Earlpittsamurican wrote:
I actually told a guy that at 5:45 one morning, but he didn't get it.
I had some very good teachers in school. My favorite was my Spanish teacher. I took 3 years of Spanish from her. She was a very dedicated young (at that time) woman. My football coach also was very good. He taught me a lot about life in general. One of the biggest things he taught me was that civil disobedience needs to be displayed now and then. Every Friday night before a game, he and the entire team went to a knee and recited the Lord's Prayer. We were only about 7 or 8 years into the "no prayer in school" mandates, but he didn't care. He wanted divine assistance in keeping his guys safe.
Both my boys had a
Government teacher that they thought a lot of. they probably got the lowest grades from him, but they learned the most.
I had a teacher in fourth grade that I Ioved almost as much as my own mother ~ and that is saying a *LOT*. I had really good , really nice teachers all through grade school, and a few scattered here and there along he way. I grew up in a small suburb in another state. I've seen some teachers in recent years that were pretty nasty. It's harder nowadays, around the bigger suburbs and cities. The communities are too large, and not enough connection and accountability between parents and school. The kids can be pretty disrespectful, which they learn at home or on TV, and the teachers can crack down *too* hard, which only makes for more problems, IMO. I worked with a real nazi teacher not long ago. EVen I couldn't stand to be in her room.

THe "No Child Left Behind" thing may have done some good, I don't know, I haven't studies any "statistics" on it. But my personal experience was that it sacrificed real learning for learning how to take the tests that went along with it.

Nice seein ya.
Earlpittsamurica n

Parsons, KS

#7 Mar 29, 2011
My wife drives a pre-school bus. First thing this year she had a 4 year old tell her, "My Mom doesn't tell me what to do and you won't either." Wifey is not one to be told what she won't do. That kid had a pretty miserable couple of weeks until he figured out that if he did what he was told, life was much easier.
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#8 Mar 29, 2011
Earlpittsamurican wrote:
My wife drives a pre-school bus. First thing this year she had a 4 year old tell her, "My Mom doesn't tell me what to do and you won't either." Wifey is not one to be told what she won't do. That kid had a pretty miserable couple of weeks until he figured out that if he did what he was told, life was much easier.
!!*LOL*!!

I'm not sure what has happened.
Somehow lots of folks have decided there was something wrong with being the adult and the parent in the relationship.

It was always made very clear to me.
I didn't always like it at the time, but I sure learned to be grateful for it.
Patriot AKA Bozo

Peck, KS

#9 Mar 29, 2011
Marie wrote:
<quoted text>

THe "No Child Left Behind" thing may have done some good, I don't know, I haven't studies any "statistics" on it. But my personal experience was that it sacrificed real learning for learning how to take the tests that went along with it.
Nice seein ya.
From an ex-teacher and having a family that still is in the teaching business, the "No Child Left Behind" is simply a political poster item. A school is not a factory. The product is not marketed and market-place economics do not determine what a child needs to learn. It has been many years since I taught but I keep up with both my daughter who teaches in public school and my daughter-in-law who teaches in private school.

The most important thing that determines the learning atmosphere in a school is the local community. We have many administrators today who are more interested in keeping their plush high paying position than in maintaining a first class learning institution. The majority of teachers that I have known at least started out with dedication and the tools to do a good job. As time progresses and they learn that the classroom is really second class over social activities, and their dedication and efforts are shunted by social and political favoritism, they soon lose much of their naivety, especially when the administrators do not hold them in esteem and back their classroom efforts.

Unfortunately, the community is more interested in the athletic(the other religion) department than they are in the education of the children.
Earlpittsamurica n

Parsons, KS

#10 Mar 29, 2011
No Child Left Behind has put more kids behind than it's ever brought forward. Teaching to a test does nothing to get our children ready for the real world. And frankly, there are children that need to be left behind in order to keep the rest of the classes at par.
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#11 Mar 31, 2011
Earlpittsamurican wrote:
No Child Left Behind has put more kids behind than it's ever brought forward. Teaching to a test does nothing to get our children ready for the real world. And frankly, there are children that need to be left behind in order to keep the rest of the classes at par.
Hey Earl ~ I have a Biblical golf joke if you're interested. It's not denigrating or offensive to Christians (I am one too ya know), just funny. At least I think so. It's one of my all time favorite jokes.

It's a bit long though. I gotta go for now.
Earlpittsamurica n

Parsons, KS

#12 Mar 31, 2011
Is it the one about the preacher calling in sick on Sunday morning to play golf?
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#13 Mar 31, 2011
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
The most important thing that determines the learning atmosphere in a school is the local community. We have many administrators today who are more interested in keeping their plush high paying position than in maintaining a first class learning institution. The majority of teachers that I have known at least started out with dedication and the tools to do a good job. As time progresses and they learn that the classroom is really second class over social activities, and their dedication and efforts are shunted by social and political favoritism, they soon lose much of their naivety, especially when the administrators do not hold them in esteem and back their classroom efforts..
I worked with younger kids, so I didn’t see that focus. What I saw was a focus on regimentation. This was a school with a highly diverse population, and the approach to keeping order made it feel like a military school. The teacher that I worked with was focused on her “numbers”. The kids sometimes seemed more like a means to an end of her achieving the “numbers”- statistics - she wanted, that supposedly reflected her effectiveness. She just scared those kids to death. Half of them were too scared to really learn. There “numbers” actually went down. Their reading scores were lower by Christmas than they were at the beginning of the semester.
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#14 Mar 31, 2011
Earlpittsamurican wrote:
No Child Left Behind has put more kids behind than it's ever brought forward. Teaching to a test does nothing to get our children ready for the real world. And frankly, there are children that need to be left behind in order to keep the rest of the classes at par.
OK ~ here it is.

(The joke is supposed to involve a foursome, but I can’t remember the 4th part).

There was an interesting threesome out on the golf course one day - Moses, Jesus, and this really good looking guy. They came up to the 7th hole, which was kind of tricky because of a sand trap up front, and then a water hole on the back side.

Moses teed off. He hit a nice shot ~ straight and high, but too long.!!*Plunk*!!~ it landed right into the middle of water hole. So Moses walked down there, parted the waters, and chipped up onto the green.

Then Jesus teed off ~ a nice clean shot too, shorter, but it hit the down side of the green and bounced off into the water hole. So Jesus made his way down there, walked on top of the water until he found his golf ball, placed it on top of the water, and chipped up on the green.

Then the good looking guy teed off. His shot was *wild*~ it veered off to the side of the fairway, bounced off a tree, and rickoshayed off somewhere in the rough. The good looking guy started walking toward the rough to find it, but before he could get there, a little field mouse beat him to it. The mouse picked it up in his mouth and ran off with it. Within seconds, a hawk spotted the field mouse. He swooped down and picked up the mouse in his claws, with the mouse still holding the golfball. The hawk flew off toward the green, and just as he approached it, a bolt of lightning came out of nowhere. The lightning struck the hawk, the hawk dropped the mouse, the mouse dropped the ball, and the ball landed right in the hole !! Jesus turned to the good looking guy and said ~“Nice shot, Dad.”
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#15 Mar 31, 2011
Earlpittsamurican wrote:
Is it the one about the preacher calling in sick on Sunday morning to play golf?
No, but I'd like to hear that one. ;D
Earlpittsamurica n

Parsons, KS

#16 Apr 1, 2011
Hadn't heard that one.

After 3 weeks of nasty, rainy weather, Sunday morning dawned bright and sunny. The local preacher was also a golf fanatic. He looked outside and temptation overcame him. He called one of his elders and asked if he would please fill in as he was just terribly ill with a stomach bug. The preacher slipped away to a course in a neighboring town so noone would recognize him and got ready to tee off. Meanwhile, in Heaven, St. Peter is looking down and notices the preacher. He immediately runs to God and says, "Look at what that preacher is doing. Playing golf when he should be feeding his flock." God says, "watch this." The preacher tees off on the par 4 1st hole and hits a 350 yard drive. When the ball comes down, it hits a rock and bounces up and travels another 75 yards up the green and drops in the hole for the first ace of his life. And on a par 4 hole to boot. St. Peter looks incredulously at God and says, "why in Heaven's name did you do that??" God says, "Think about it....Who's he gonna tell?"
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#17 Apr 1, 2011
Earlpittsamurican wrote:
Hadn't heard that one.
After 3 weeks of nasty, rainy weather, Sunday morning dawned bright and sunny. The local preacher was also a golf fanatic. He looked outside and temptation overcame him. He called one of his elders and asked if he would please fill in as he was just terribly ill with a stomach bug. The preacher slipped away to a course in a neighboring town so noone would recognize him and got ready to tee off. Meanwhile, in Heaven, St. Peter is looking down and notices the preacher. He immediately runs to God and says, "Look at what that preacher is doing. Playing golf when he should be feeding his flock." God says, "watch this." The preacher tees off on the par 4 1st hole and hits a 350 yard drive. When the ball comes down, it hits a rock and bounces up and travels another 75 yards up the green and drops in the hole for the first ace of his life. And on a par 4 hole to boot. St. Peter looks incredulously at God and says, "why in Heaven's name did you do that??" God says, "Think about it....Who's he gonna tell?"
!!*GOL*!!

That's clever. I'll have to save that for my niece's husband ~ he is the son of a preacher, and used to manage a golf course.

I had no idea so many people connected God and golf enough to generate so many jokes about it.

I guess it makes sense, given how many people play.
Earlpittsamurica n

Parsons, KS

#18 Apr 1, 2011
God is apparantly quite the sportsman. There have been God/sports jokes of all kinds. I even remember one about God and Joe Namath when he was playing. Do you know why Texas Stadium had a hole in the roof? So God could watch Cowboys games.
Marie

Overland Park, KS

#19 Apr 1, 2011
Earlpittsamurican wrote:
God is apparantly quite the sportsman. There have been God/sports jokes of all kinds. I even remember one about God and Joe Namath when he was playing. Do you know why Texas Stadium had a hole in the roof? So God could watch Cowboys games.
!!*LOL*!!

I'm on vacation, but I'd better get busy and get some more work done ...

we should start a joke thread ~
Earlpittsamurica n

Parsons, KS

#20 Apr 5, 2011
Marie wrote:
<quoted text>
!!*LOL*!!
I'm on vacation, but I'd better get busy and get some more work done ...
we should start a joke thread ~
On a DIY forum I frequent, there is a "read a joke, tell a joke" thread that's been going for years.

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