Kan. plan: Allow illegal immigrants t...

Kan. plan: Allow illegal immigrants to stay, work

There are 23 comments on the York Dispatch story from Jan 31, 2012, titled Kan. plan: Allow illegal immigrants to stay, work. In it, York Dispatch reports that:

A coalition of business groups will propose Kansas start a new program to help some illegal immigrants remain in the state so they can hold down jobs in agriculture and other industries with labor shortages, coalition representatives disclosed Tuesday.

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Dee Dee Dee

Coopersburg, PA

#1 Jan 31, 2012
Labor shortage = gready employer
annie

Naperville, IL

#2 Jan 31, 2012
There is an H2A program that already does this except is costs money and the farmers/dairy apparently don't want to use it because it is costly.

The current way is costly to me.

The AG department in GA said farmers could raise prices by 40% and they would still make a profit.

All they want to do is send the cost to the taxpayers

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#3 Jan 31, 2012
I hate these basturd farmers who insist they be allowed to break the law and hire illegals instead of americans.
Mexica Nation

Colton, CA

#4 Jan 31, 2012
Kansas has a history of good and smart people unlike the crap you get in the south.
ima

United States

#5 Jan 31, 2012
Too bad for Kansas, God help Texas.

“The End Of America Coming Soon”

Since: Dec 07

Welfare State

#6 Jan 31, 2012
They should look at alot more than employment and criminal records.
They should look at how much illegals are costing taxpayers in Kansas and in other states.
Having a job and no criminal record means nothing. That alone should not be the deciding factor as to whether they can stay or not.
If they are receiving any form of government assistance, they are costing more than they are contributing and should be sent home.
If they can't support themselves and their families, they shouldn't be allowed to stay here and be a burden on taxpaying citizens.
AmberDru

Dublin, OH

#7 Jan 31, 2012
They can propose anything they want- states can't give illegal alien the legal status to work.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#8 Jan 31, 2012
It's always business groups that wants cheap labor to stay. Are they making state policy now? Fine businesses $10,000.00 a illegal head and then see how much they like them.
Reality check

Jacksonville, FL

#9 Feb 1, 2012
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
Labor shortage = gready employer

+unwilling Americans to do the job that is so vital to this nation.
Reality check

Jacksonville, FL

#10 Feb 1, 2012
Speeders Kill Kids wrote:
I hate these basturd farmers who insist they be allowed to break the law and hire illegals instead of americans.
But love the food.
No Change Needed

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Feb 1, 2012
We have a more than ample supply of illegals in our state as it is. We need LESS not more! I'm sick and tired of paying their expenses their greedy employers refuse to cover!
Dee Dee Dee

Coopersburg, PA

#12 Feb 1, 2012
Reality check wrote:
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+unwilling Americans to do the job that is so vital to this nation.
If the jobs are so vital why do the employers refuse to pay a living wage or even attempt to hire legal workers? H2A visas are unlimited yet the agricultural corporations refuse to use this resource. Why? Because they would have to offer competitive wages, workman’s compensation insurance, safe and sanitary working conditions, and follow labor laws. Like I said it is all just greed on the part of the agricultural corporations. While they may lose 1-2% of their profit they will find and hire legal workers if they have to just like all honest industries. The agricultural industry can survive without slave labor.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#13 Feb 1, 2012
Fed Up in North Carolina wrote:
They should look at alot more than employment and criminal records.
They should look at how much illegals are costing taxpayers in Kansas and in other states.
Having a job and no criminal record means nothing. That alone should not be the deciding factor as to whether they can stay or not.
If they are receiving any form of government assistance, they are costing more than they are contributing and should be sent home.
If they can't support themselves and their families, they shouldn't be allowed to stay here and be a burden on taxpaying citizens.
Not having a criminal record means they didn't get caught or their crimes are being overlooked (i.e., working under a social security number that is not theirs, etc.).

We know they *should* have a criminal record... From walking over the border without the proper paperwork to working without authorization and so much more, they are definitely criminals. What kind of message does this send? We aren't supposed to reward law breaking and we don't reward law breaking for citizens or legal residents, so why for illegal aliens?

I hope the people in Kansas stand up and say NO WAY!
Reality check

Jacksonville, FL

#14 Feb 1, 2012
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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If the jobs are so vital why do the employers refuse to pay a living wage or even attempt to hire legal workers? H2A visas are unlimited yet the agricultural corporations refuse to use this resource. Why? Because they would have to offer competitive wages, workman’s compensation insurance, safe and sanitary working conditions, and follow labor laws. Like I said it is all just greed on the part of the agricultural corporations. While they may lose 1-2% of their profit they will find and hire legal workers if they have to just like all honest industries. The agricultural industry can survive without slave labor.
Farm labourers worked for much more than a living wage in a day thats the challenge because it is seasonal work and crops has to be harvested in a timely fashion and unfurtunately many of us cannot cope with that rigid routine.
Free is free

Tijeras, NM

#15 Feb 1, 2012
The good people of Kansas will prevail, I'm sure. The business owners might want to revise their business models to include the cost of compliance.

What I find interesting is that in the wake of Enron, everyone squawked about Sarbanes Oxley and the cost of compliance. Now, it's just the way business is done. You comply and that's that. Eventually, the same thing will happen here.
US Citizen

Mount Vernon, WA

#16 Feb 1, 2012
Bad plan not only that it's wrong.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#17 Feb 2, 2012
What a crock of BULL SH*T!

THE ABC'S OF IMMIGRATION - H-2A VISAS FOR TEMPORARY AGRICULTURAL WORKERS

Requirements:

There are two general requirements to obtain workers on H-2A visas. First,
the employer must demonstrate that there are not sufficient able, willing
and qualified US workers available at the time and place needed. Second, the
employer must show the use of foreign workers will not create an adverse
effect on the wages or working conditions of similarly employed US workers.
Farmworkers generally receive either an hourly wage or are paid by the
piece. However, under the H-2A program H-2A workers must be offered the same
wage as US workers. This has been interpreted to mean the higher of the
following:

· The industry's prevailing wage in the relevant labor market,

· The state or federal minimum wage, or

· The "adverse effect wage rate"

The adverse effect wage rate, or AEWR, is currently set at the prior year's
average hourly wage for agricultural and livestock workers determined by the
Department of Agriculture. For workers who are paid by the piece, if their
wages are not equal to the AEWR, the employer must make up the difference.
On or before each day when the H-2A worker is paid, the employer must
provide the worker with an earnings statement detailing the alien's total
earnings, whether the alien is paid hourly or by the piece, the hours of
work offered, and the hours actually worked.

Employers are required to provide H-2A workers with a number of benefits.

· The employee must be provided with transportation to and from the worker's
temporary home to the workplace.

· When the contract period is up, the employer must provide the worker with
transportation home or to their next workplace.

· Employers must provide housing to all H-2A workers who do not commute. The
housing must be inspected by the Department of Labor and must meet minimum
federal standards for temporary labor camps.

· The employer must either provide three meals a day or facilities in which
the worker can prepare food.

· The employer must also provide any tools and supplies necessary to perform
the work.

· The employer must also provide workers' compensation insurance to H-2A
workers.

http://www.visalaw.com/00jul2/12jul200.html

NOW YOU KNOW WHY "FARMERS" LIKE TO USE ILLEGAL ALIENS!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#18 Feb 2, 2012
Reality check wrote:
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Farm labourers worked for much more than a living wage in a day thats the challenge because it is seasonal work and crops has to be harvested in a timely fashion and unfurtunately many of us cannot cope with that rigid routine.
American Workers Continue to Pick up Jobs Left Vacant by Immigration Raids

A new report in USA Today finds that unemployed U.S. citizens continue to
fill up jobs left vacant by immigration raids, particularly at meatpacking
and poultry plants. The reports says that plants impacted by the raids were
back up and running at full capacity within months of the raids.
Vanderbilt University professor Carol Swain said the raids were beneficial
to the American workforce.

"Whenever there's an immigration raid, you find white, black and legal
immigrant labor lining up to do those jobs that Americans will supposedly
not do," Prof. Swain said in the USA Today article.

The USA Today report cites a study conducted by Steven Camarota at the
Center for Immigration Studies that found Americans holding the majority of
positions in fields that many claim are dominated by illegal aliens.

For more on this story, see USA Today.

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/septem...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#19 Feb 2, 2012
Reality check wrote:
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+unwilling Americans to do the job that is so vital to this nation.
BUSTED: More "Jobs Americans Won't Do?" - Pulte Homes' Illegal Alien
Carpenters

&fe ature=related

Real Americans RUSH to get employment after a local resort gets rid of
ILLEGAL Aliens! Georgia

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#20 Feb 2, 2012
Mexica Nation wrote:
Kansas has a history of good and smart people unlike the crap you get in the south.
You must mean Southern Mexifornia.

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