No A/C for Prisoners: Cruel & Unusual...

No A/C for Prisoners: Cruel & Unusual Punishment?

There are 25 comments on the WIBW-TV Topeka story from Aug 3, 2011, titled No A/C for Prisoners: Cruel & Unusual Punishment?. In it, WIBW-TV Topeka reports that:

Kansas Department of Health and Environment officials say heat has contributed to the deaths of at least three people this summer in Kansas, and more than 400 have experienced heat-related illness.

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Hardcase

Lenexa, KS

#1 Aug 3, 2011
NO.
Ohio Wrangler

Kent, OH

#2 Aug 3, 2011
I wish I could see and hear you people when you go to prison for involuntary manslaughter (car wreck) or some other crime that you didn't do on purpose. Then we could see how you feel about a/c in prisons. In Ohio, they won't bring ice in until the temperatures in the cells reaches 90 degrees. Our legislators put so many laws on the books in the past 10-15 years, that it is a wonder they don't have all of us in prison. I would be afraid to spank my child for acting up in public. My husband is afraid to change a girl babies diaper. Your little kids can't play doctor anymore or they could be sex offenders. Your kids can make false charges on you, and they are more likely to be believed than you are. Don't make stupid comments about people in prison since you don't have a clue on how they got there. You could be next.
Whatawacko

Parsons, KS

#3 Aug 3, 2011
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Ohio Wrangler

Kent, OH

#4 Aug 3, 2011
You really must read the news from yesterday regarding Matt Devlin, the tug boat operator who caused the death of two young people. Hopefully that will illustrate what I said in my first comment. Do you think he is such a bad a$$ that he should be in a 90 degree cell? He is going to prison for involuntary manslaughter.
Door King

Hunter, KS

#5 Aug 3, 2011
Spot on Ohio.
Door King

Hunter, KS

#6 Aug 3, 2011
There are thousands of people in prison for simple lapses in judgement. Our legal system is (and perhaps always was) so vicious that mentioning "freedom" and "USA" in the same breath ought to cause convulsons.(Yes, I know the system used to be even more inhumane.)
Whatawacko

Parsons, KS

#7 Aug 3, 2011
Interesting. What about the folks who have to work in this stuff every day? Or those poor and elderly who can't afford a/c? I think your compassion is highly misplaced.
Whatawacko

Parsons, KS

#8 Aug 3, 2011
Then there are the sweat shops in China you compassionate souls are supporting by purchasing imported goods. What about those 12 and 13 year old kids who work 14 hours a day for pennies in heat worse than the prisons?
Kansas Girl

Shawnee, KS

#9 Aug 5, 2011
The conditions of a prison setting are not good whatever the situation. The sad (and cruel) thing to me is that our system does not focus more on rehabilitating many of the "criminals" with education, trade schools, job training, effective drug and alcohol programs and the types of things that can enable them to actually take pride in themselves and to be successful when released from prison. I realize that those who do the crime need to pay the time - the heartbreak is how many can never get out of the system. Think about it: Several years in prison, no education, no job, no money, in many cases no family or any type of support system and time did not stand still on the outside as it might have in prison. Just put out the door when their time is up as though they are ready and prepared to make positive choices. I believe this is especially sad for those of lesser crimes or unintended accidental crimes, as well as drug abusers (many of which see prison at early ages, when what they really needed was help to cure the problem that resulted in thier going to prison) Our justice system is ineffective, often unfair, and mostly depends on who one has for a lawyer.
Ohio Wrangler

Kent, OH

#10 Aug 6, 2011
I am so happy that some of you do understand the cruelty of our prison system. I do feel just as bad for the low income people who do not have a/c. Maybe we should see that landlords supply it for a reasonable increase in rent. Kansas Girl really has expressed the failure of our prisons to rehabilitate. That is why we spend more in taxes on locking people up than we spend on education that might keep the crime down if we did it right.
By the way Whatawacko, the month of August has been designated for us to only buy American. The movement wants to show these cheap labor places that we can stop buying their stuff if they don't start acting more on Fair Trade. I am sure you know how many millions we spend on their stuff, and how little of our stuff is bought overseas. Personally, I would like to take a ball bat to Clinton for signing into that farce. And I don't know why we don't add charges for American companies bringing products back to the states for sale. If we did that, they would find that by the time they pay that charge--they could have made it here for the same costs. They are traitors to our country for taking the jobs over there to put more money in their pockets as far as I'm concerned. I know their CEO's and stock holders want to make a profit, but they are far too greedy.
Whatawacko

Parsons, KS

#11 Aug 8, 2011
Quote from Kansas girl: "Think about it: Several years in prison, no education, no job, no money, in many cases no family or any type of support system and time did not stand still on the outside as it might have in prison."

My brother spent a few years in Lansing before finally growing up. He came out with an electrician's credentials and became a productive part of society. Rehabilitation is offered, but many times not taken simply because many of those on the inside think the world owes them a living.
Ohio Wrangler

Kent, OH

#12 Aug 9, 2011
In Ohio rehabilitation is no longer offered except to a select few. You have to be under 30, preferably in early 20s, and they can only work with 30 to 50 at a time, and it is not offered in every prison. That was also part of their cost cutting. They have cut a lot of the self help type classes, and are going to cut more educational programs. GED is the only educational program I know of in Ohio. There is at least one private prison that does offer vocational opportunities, but again only a select few get into the two year programs. In a prison of say 1800 inmates, it will usually be about 100 that get any vocational training, the rest get nothing.
Whatawacko

Parsons, KS

#13 Aug 9, 2011
My guess is the ones who are fixable get the chance at education. Those who would only use their new found skills to commit more crimes are omitted.
Door King

Sylvan Grove, KS

#14 Aug 9, 2011
"My brother spent a few years in Lansing "

The question is, why was he there? And should he have been there in the first place?
Door King

Sylvan Grove, KS

#15 Aug 9, 2011
Watch the legal system go into a feeding frenzy over an inconsequential incident and you'll know something. Something like skateboading in the park. I watched a friends kid almost destroyed because a cop was running after him as the kid skated. The cop tripped and fell down. The charge was aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer.
Whatawacko

Parsons, KS

#16 Aug 9, 2011
Door King wrote:
"My brother spent a few years in Lansing "
The question is, why was he there? And should he have been there in the first place?
A string of forged checks as long as your arm and grand theft auto. Yes, he needed to be there.
Door King

Sylvan Grove, KS

#17 Aug 9, 2011
You're lying. You've never had a brother in prison. How do I know? It's just too damned convenient given your other posts. One thing I've noticed about conservatives: they always have personal experience about EVERYTHING. When the discussion drifts to abortion, all conservatives have 100 women friends who have had one and regret it; they had to decide whether to save their wives or their unborn babies. Basically, you're all liars. It's not your policies I dislike. It's you.
Whatawacko

Parsons, KS

#18 Aug 10, 2011
Door King wrote:
You're lying. You've never had a brother in prison. How do I know? It's just too damned convenient given your other posts. One thing I've noticed about conservatives: they always have personal experience about EVERYTHING. When the discussion drifts to abortion, all conservatives have 100 women friends who have had one and regret it; they had to decide whether to save their wives or their unborn babies. Basically, you're all liars. It's not your policies I dislike. It's you.
I do not lie. I don't know anyone who has had an abortion. The liars are the ultra-liberals like you who are trying to take our country into the dumper for whatever reason. No, you are liars, you're just idiots who believe anything but the truth.

by the way, FK U!
Whatawacko

Parsons, KS

#19 Aug 10, 2011
If you want, a-hole, give me your email address, I'll send you his name and you can check the Secretary of State's website for unclaimed property and you'll see that he left some stuff when he was paroled. But I doubt that you'll want to do that because that would screw up your little charade about actually having a brain.

And once again, FK U!
Ohio Wrangler

Kent, OH

#20 Aug 11, 2011
Maybe I forgot to mention that the education/vocation only goes to people who are getting out in a couple of years. It isn't a question of who is worthy, Ohio is basically only helping short term, younger people and the reason is they have been cutting prison budget for years. Like most states, the legislators don't understand that rehabilitation will save money in the long run. Statistics show that the few states that are into more rehab have a high percentage that do not come back. I won't post here again since you two have turned it into a brawl. Your minds are closed to anything but your own opinion.

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