"The Navy" The worst thing you can do...
ET in the navy

Bellingham, WA

#1158 Jan 24, 2008
I am not sure how I stumbled across this bulletin, but I wanted to give some input.

I am currently an electronics technician in the navy and absolutely love it. I came in under the aecf program and was not lied to at all. I understood that I could come in as an E-3 because of previous college and would make E-4 upon completion of my A school. The advancement is hard but I almost made E-5 off my first exam with no extra points going into it. So, it can be done.

There are some nerds in the field, but what else would you expect? If you would enjoy working with electronics and are looking at joining, I personally think it is one of the better rates. You work in air conditioned spaces and get a lot of schooling. That is why you sign the two year extension, which by the way, you get a bonus for signing.

Just make sure that your recruiter isn't an idiot and make sure that you are joining for the right reasons.

Good luck.
Dragon

Fpo, AP

#1159 Jan 24, 2008
SK2_SS-SW-AW wrote:
<quoted text> Shipmate, keep your head up and focus. Try not to concentrate on the potentially negative aspects, and carefully plan your career to accommodate the things you hold dearly. Make the most of school, make friends, network, stay out of trouble, don't stay so drunk that you don't have fun, study your rules & regulations, make smart financial choices, and put the pieces together so they make sense to you & your loved ones (i.e. get a good cell phone, computer, private email account, webcam if possible - all to bring your family/friends a bit closer to you as you move around the world). Have fun!
SK1(SS/SW/AW)
What a Navy Nerd!!! Carry smartly. I can see you wearing your pants over your belly button on liberty. Whistling sea tunes thinking how cool you are.

“Shore duty...gotta love it!”

Since: May 07

Newark, NJ

#1160 Jan 25, 2008
Dragon wrote:
<quoted text>
What a Navy Nerd!!! Carry smartly. I can see you wearing your pants over your belly button on liberty. Whistling sea tunes thinking how cool you are.
You're probably right...or, better yet, maybe I'm a sharply dressed & well-educated African American man from Newark, NJ, who could care less about being "cool". Knucklehead. Feeble minds can never quite grasp wit or subtlety.
Wolf

United States

#1161 Jan 26, 2008
SK2_SS-SW-AW wrote:
<quoted text> You're probably right...or, better yet, maybe I'm a sharply dressed & well-educated African American man from Newark, NJ, who could care less about being "cool". Knucklehead. Feeble minds can never quite grasp wit or subtlety.
I'm from the south... so be careful where you roll cause yes the Navy is your back but when your on my guard you better watch yours.

-wolf

“Shore duty...gotta love it!”

Since: May 07

Newark, NJ

#1162 Jan 27, 2008
Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm from the south... so be careful where you roll cause yes the Navy is your back but when your on my guard you better watch yours.
-wolf
What the...? Nevermind. I see that the South's miseducation is largely responsible for your ignorance.
FC in Japan

Virginia Beach, VA

#1163 Jan 28, 2008
I'm about half way though my 6 year enlistment. Yes the Navy sucks alot of ass going FDNF Japan sucks even worse. I don't hate on people who stay in 20 it is there choice I just hate those ass clowns who think it is there job to make you stay in 20. Sadly there are alot of things not told to new recruits when they enlist and even less is told to those of us who go FDNF. One of thoses things is that it doesn't matter how hard you work it just matters what quals you have. Making rate means nothing until you are LPO or make E-7 until then you are lower then shit (in tech ratings that is). I've come to realize that I will never receive any awards for anything I do. In the 2 years I've been attached to this command I have seen one NAM given out in my Division and that was because he was Junior Sailor of the Quarter for the ESG. I've seen some of the most intellgent and hard working people get out because of how the Navy conducts business. I find it crazy that the Navy will pay a cubic ass ton of money to send someone to "C" school for 6 months to learn a RADAR system or weapon system and then turn around and turn them in to a glorified janitor. I've been questioned countless times on my skills as a tech by people who have no idea how the equipment works. Even after you show and explain it to them they still want a warm and fuzzy by paying a civilian to come and repair the gear. So in the end they waste my time troubleshooting and the tax payers money to get the same anwser from a civilian. I'm glad I have 3 years left. I was asked if I was willing to re-enlist for the 75 grand, even thinking about it made me want to puke a little. My soul is worth more the 75,000 to me. Oh and before any of you hard core lifers say I'm just some booter who has no idea what I'm talking about, even though I hate the Navy I don't shit bag around. I made second on my second try and took over WCS from a first class who destroyed my 13 week report and 43P1. I could probably school more then half of you pole smokers on the entire 3M system, just because someone hates the Navy doesn't mean they are a bad person or a poor worker some times they just see through the bullshit for what it really is.
STG

Fpo, AP

#1164 Feb 1, 2008
Being in the Navy has only made me hate the American people more than ever. If you call what we do in foriegn country is beneficial, you are blind to the truth. I am foward deployed in Japan. We are supposed to be the first defence against anything happening with North Korea or China. I see most of what we do as a waste of the tax payer's money. Most of the tactics we use during combat are poorly thought out and made for anyone that joins to understand. I feel sorry for the country of Japan for what the sailors from this base does to it.
The last line of the sailors creed is "I am committed to excellence and the fair treatment of all." Yet, I see many, many of my shipmates mocking the Japanese people for their differences from us. Many of them seem to think racism is limited to just against blacks or whites.To further elaborate on the foriegn port issue, I don't see how bringing a bunch of US Navy sailors to a foriegn country helps anything. For one, it always helps the sex trade in that country. You can always here the storys about the prostitutes or strippers or any other person of that sort. They usually over indulge in alcohol and become rowdy, some times even destructive. And doing things like these are just a huge disrespect for these countries.
As for the waste of tax paying money, fraud and waste are rampant on many ships. It usually never gets reported, because someone always benefits from it.
The reasons we go out to sea can also be trivial at best. When we do excercises, the Navy sometimes hires an outside source to draft the plan for it. Thus, excersises can be a waste of time. Relearning things learned from previous ones. Because 2 seperate entities created the plans for them and didn't share the results and findings.
I really don't understand this next point the most. How can someone that was living a civilian life, volunteer to the Navy, and once in be treated so badly? I'm not even talking about the job either. Like the command in Japan. When I got here, I was not allowed to even stay over night off the ship. I had to fill out a paper every day I left the ship detailing a plan for what I want to do that day. You have to be at least 18 years old to join the Navy. That is the age you are legally an adult. Why should you be treated this way? Here's why, the other people. The reason things become like that for the Navy is because other people have proved they need to be restricted. And the thing is, it wasn't just one person. Its usually so many that they have to enact such policys on us. These are the Americans, who join your Navy. The biggest crack down on our freedoms while on liberty in Japan came when a sailor actually mugged an eldery Japanese woman and beat her to death in the process. Can you really be proud of that? In Yokosuka, we are no longer allowed to set foot on any Shinto shrine. The reason? Because there have been incidences of people vandalising them. This is where the American biggotry comes in. So many sailors could care less about Japan and its culture and customs. To them, it is inferior. We are always superior. They make no effort to conduct themselves any differently than they would in America. We are guests here and Japan and they act like we own it. So, there have been more than a single incident.
I know many of you say "suck it up, your in the military", but should that still give the Navy a reason to work someone 18-20 hours a day? The Navy is trying to create optimal manning on all naval ships. Which basically means decreased manning. They have decreased the number of people. But the biggest problem is, they haven't increased the training of new sailors before they arrive to the ship. So many extra hours of work must be done to completely train someone to be a functional part of a division. My A school was not aduequete training to function on the ship completely and this is only training I recieved. I still had months of training I needed to receive to do it correctly.
talya917

AOL

#1165 Feb 1, 2008
i got a job as an EM is that a good one or no?
talya917

AOL

#1166 Feb 1, 2008
how soon can i change my rate if i dont like it?
FC in Japan

Virginia Beach, VA

#1167 Feb 2, 2008
EM isn't too bad most of the EM guys I know are pretty cool you will have to do some crap in the main space and generally work with the 115 or 440. A friend of mine pulled caked duty in the lighting shop. Also you have to wait 2 years before you can cross rate.
talya917

AOL

#1168 Feb 2, 2008
FC in Japan wrote:
EM isn't too bad most of the EM guys I know are pretty cool you will have to do some crap in the main space and generally work with the 115 or 440. A friend of mine pulled caked duty in the lighting shop. Also you have to wait 2 years before you can cross rate.
thanks but i dont know what is the main space and cake duty and i am a girl so i dont know how it will work out for me. thanks
Diablo

United States

#1169 Feb 2, 2008
talya917 wrote:
how soon can i change my rate if i dont like it?
That actually depends on a lot of things. If you are in the rate that is in high demand (the Need of the Navy), they won't ever let you cross rate. If you are a nuc EM, forget about even asking. If your getting an "A" school going in, which sounds like you are, the Navy and your command will be very reluctant to allow you to cross rate. Cross rating is usually not an option willingly given to sailors. Typically its used for guys that are getting removed from their original rating for a variety of reasons, be it personal (losing security clearance or Mast) or Navy wide issue (such as closing of a rate or overmanning). You cannot expect to easily change your rate simply if you dislike your job. I don't know a single person that would stick with the nuclear field after the first six months so they make it hard as hell. You will have to be up for the E-4 examine and get permission from your chain of command to attempt to cross rate. Coming in at E-1, one could not cross rate until 2 years at the earliest. You also need to pass that E-4 exam and make it against everyone else taking the test in that rate. You, on your own, will have to get the study material and learn what will be on that test. Don't expect your chain of command to help you as most likely they will want you to stay in your field. I really have no advice to offer you about your EM rate unless you are going in to be a nuke EM. I will point out that on the carrier I served, the nuke EM's seemed to have it a little better than the other nukes, take that for whatever... Your best bet is to do a google search about your rate and try to contact EM's currently serving to get their input. You could try contacting various ship's websites and try to get a response from someone in "E" division in Engineering Department. Take everything in, this advice including, with a grain of salt as everyone's experience with the navy is completely different. Me and my friend spent bootcamp, "A" school, Power School, Prototype, and served on the Roosevelt together. I hated it; he stayed in. Everyone's experience is different and whatever happens, you just need to make the best of it. Good luck.
FC in Japan

Virginia Beach, VA

#1170 Feb 3, 2008
Go PS LOL the Main space is the space where the boiler and such is. Quite hot. If you don't mind working then its not that bad. Be prepared for long days at sea. Um thats about it and don't go to Japan ever.
talya917

AOL

#1171 Feb 4, 2008
FC in Japan wrote:
Go PS LOL the Main space is the space where the boiler and such is. Quite hot. If you don't mind working then its not that bad. Be prepared for long days at sea. Um thats about it and don't go to Japan ever.
ok i wont lol
Dave

Sandy, OR

#1172 Feb 5, 2008
If you really were a Lcdr...then you would know how to properly abbreviate it!!!!!

Dave
Jason Braver wrote:
Obviously, you were only semi-literate when you joined, had an attitude problem to go with it, and disklike anything that isn't handed out to you or doesn't go your way. I AM in the Navy right now. I KNOW what it's like, and I KNOW what I'm talking about and I've seen my share of your type during my career. And you don't have a thing in the world going for you except your hatred and inherent need to blame the whole world for the problems you yourself created. The Navy can help you grow, but you have to be at a certain level of maturity when you go in. As I see it, the only mistake the Navy has made is in accepting you in the first place. I feel sorry for you, but then again---nah...you've brought it all on yourself. Good luck in whatever else you try in life. Perhaps someday you will figure it out.
Jason Braver
LTCMDR
USN
ak3 szep

Oshkosh, WI

#1173 Feb 5, 2008
they messed with me in the navy but it was not the best thing but gave me experience in life which makes me a better worker then most people
johnny bravo

Austell, GA

#1174 Feb 5, 2008
I am thinking about joining either the air force or navy...i am a Deper for the navy right now and the job i was gonna do was either yoemen or crypto..But how is life in the navy as a yoemen? I mainly want to be able to get a associates or "some" college credits while im in the navy.
The reason why I was thinking about switching to the airforce is because they will have more jobs to pick from versus the navy and from all the storys about being on a boat and on watch im not too sure I will like being out at sea.
FTN

Everett, WA

#1175 Feb 5, 2008
johnny bravo wrote:
I am thinking about joining either the air force or navy...i am a Deper for the navy right now and the job i was gonna do was either yoemen or crypto..But how is life in the navy as a yoemen? I mainly want to be able to get a associates or "some" college credits while im in the navy.
The reason why I was thinking about switching to the airforce is because they will have more jobs to pick from versus the navy and from all the storys about being on a boat and on watch im not too sure I will like being out at sea.
Go Air Force. Your building won't rock, you'll get better food and living quarters. You'll have more time for correspondence courses. Hell, they'll probably treat you better.

Life as a YN, you'll probably be surrounded by a bunch of thugs who can barely read or write and skank navy women who somehow got pregnant. You can be a complete asshole to people because the navy thoughtlessly runs on redtape. People will grovel at your feet for you to do a minute's worth of easy paperwork.
navy guy

United States

#1177 Feb 6, 2008
me myself have had the thought on the way to get out of the navy but then theres the really good things like collage but navy hater you should tell your career counselor that your just helpless and wasting my tax money my decision is to do my four years but not brodcast how much i disagree with the navy.

“What To Do?”

Since: Jan 08

Chicago

#1178 Feb 6, 2008
Jason Braver wrote:
Obviously, you were only semi-literate when you joined, had an attitude problem to go with it, and disklike anything that isn't handed out to you or doesn't go your way. I AM in the Navy right now. I KNOW what it's like, and I KNOW what I'm talking about and I've seen my share of your type during my career. And you don't have a thing in the world going for you except your hatred and inherent need to blame the whole world for the problems you yourself created. The Navy can help you grow, but you have to be at a certain level of maturity when you go in. As I see it, the only mistake the Navy has made is in accepting you in the first place. I feel sorry for you, but then again---nah...you've brought it all on yourself. Good luck in whatever else you try in life. Perhaps someday you will figure it out.
Jason Braver
LTCMDR
USN
LTCMDR? Hmm.'My Navy' acronym for Lieutenant Commander was LCDR.

CPT SMARTASS
USN RET

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