“Shore duty...gotta love it!”

Since: May 07

Newark, NJ

#851 May 25, 2007
I've served on a sub, as a Flag MAA at COMSUBGRU 9, and aboard an amphib in San Diego, and I can tell you that anything is possible. Yes, I would fully support a fellow SK, even a knucklehead, in getting a second chance with a new rate. I've seen SKs cross-rate right & left with full CoC support...even one that went IT! Anything is possible. Kids shouldn't get the impression that once they're in a rate, they're locked into it for life whether they like it or not. That's simply not so. Sure, there are hoops to jump through, but if it's worth it, jump through 'em to get what you want. Nuke or not.
DEP RECRUIT

Las Vegas, NV

#852 May 25, 2007
WHAT'S SEEBEES???
Diablo

Pasadena, MD

#853 May 26, 2007
A Seabee is basically a cross between a construction worker and a marine. Sort of like the combat engineer of the Navy. The They are called seabee because I think the old rate during world war II was CB for construction builder. I'm pretty sure that the rate has split up into steelworker, mechanical builder, electrical builder. Basically, if the navy owns a building, Seabees most likely built it. A lot of them are in Gitmo and Iraq/Afganistan. I really don't know too much about them.
danger

San Diego, CA

#854 Jun 3, 2007
navy life is only beneficial to those who are too nerdy to realize there is a better life out there. lifers like to be institutionalized, but not me. i like a good life and working rediculous hours without getting paid and spending 6 months at a time on a tin can is not cool. its a great experience to go through and teach yourself some discipline, it sure has helped me, but anyone who decides to make a career out of it or thinks that the navy is just another just another job is a few fries short of a happy meal

“Shore duty...gotta love it!”

Since: May 07

Newark, NJ

#855 Jun 3, 2007
Why, thank you, Danger, for reducing my career expectations & accomplishments to a moronically over-simplistic analogy. I, my friend, am a lifer, and I'd like a little honesty here...for all of the Navy naysayers and "haters"...you don't like the service because you're spoiled and selfish, had one or two relatively "bad" experiences, don't care for challenges, can't conceptualize, don't like taking orders, paid zero attention to the oath being taken at enlistment, didn't research prior to enlistment or ask the right questions when recruited, have/had ADD/ADHD, somehow believed that life is "fair", and are sickly fixated on and envious of the "regular" people who have "regular" jobs. If you wanted to remain a victim - I mean, member - of the "status quo", you should never have even joined and spared some poor RDC/LPO/LCPO/DivO/CMC/XO/CO the aggrevation. I further submit, shipmate, that you are probably an underachieving, undereducated, underqualified, underdeveloped, and ungrateful soul...specific venom for your comments/judgements about lifers being nerdy and craving institutionalization. Face it, you couldn't hack it and were afraid to try. Go look in the mirror and take a deep look into that darker side, the honest side, where you've hidden the real truth. You couldn't measure up when the time came. Exams too tough for ya? Maybe you "asked & told"? Perhaps PTS time came around and they found you unworthy to continue? Good riddance to bad rubbish. More yucky chow and tin can space for me!
Nukesubem ret

Shippingport, PA

#856 Jun 4, 2007
danger wrote:
navy life is only beneficial to those who are too nerdy to realize there is a better life out there. lifers like to be institutionalized, but not me. i like a good life and working rediculous hours without getting paid and spending 6 months at a time on a tin can is not cool. its a great experience to go through and teach yourself some discipline, it sure has helped me, but anyone who decides to make a career out of it or thinks that the navy is just another just another job is a few fries short of a happy meal
Danger--you mean you didn't enjoy 90 hour work weeks, irregular or no sleep, being kept late --"just because we can" and the whole atmosphere of "Chiefs are the leaders of our fine Navy and can do no wrong". You mean you didn't enjoy being treated like an indentured servant and when some knuckle-headed khaki writes you up for some supposed infraction that you must prove your innocence rather than them proving that you are guilty--like in the civiian world. You must just be lazy and have a bad attitude to not enjoy this Navy construed discipline. I did retire and I must have just got lazier and dumber because the longer I stayed in--the more I realized how the Navy attempts to manipulate you in every way conceivable. I guess my professors in College just felt sorry for my lazy, dumb self and gave me my Bachelors and Masters Degrees diplomas and my employer at the major utility I work for also felt sorry for my lazy, bad attitude self and is paying me 95-100k this year. Man--I sure miss all the good "discipline" I got in the Navy from the Chiefs and all the MAA's giving me chits for the atrocity of carrying a backpack over my shoulder or warning me about my hair touching my ears while most of these clowns were 30 lbs over weight. I am living the undisciplined, lazy, debauchiristic life of a civilian now and almost feel guilty at times.
Cory

Simi Valley, CA

#857 Jun 5, 2007
I've real all 700+ posts regarding obviously the NAVY as a good choice or not. I turned 20 this Memorial Day and leave for bootcamp in 2 weeks with an A school guarantee for HM Corpsman. I was refused a signing bonus due to the fact that my senior year in high school i let my gf at the time talk me into going to an online school for an early graduation, but it didnt stop me from enlisting. I suppose it is kind of hard to have mixed feelings after reading so much about "The Navy-- The worst thing You can do to yourself" but i guess i've always been mildly optimistic and will continue to be such. Im not worried about bootcamp, or cleaning, or even being told how useless i am to the world. But i guess my main concern after digesting all this info is that i will be prevented from fulfilling my main goal of acquiring a degree while in service. Im not sure if im writing to recieve some sort of reassurance that i havent just made a mistake or to just put myself out there amongst people who have walked this path and certainly know about what it brings with it. Either way i suppose all that i can do is hope for the best and constantly keep in mind that i dont want to allow these five years of "servitude" to be spent in vain.
Cory

Simi Valley, CA

#858 Jun 5, 2007
PS I love my country, and take my hat off to any enlistee despite the numerous bashings here directed at people joining the military regardless of their motivations for doing so.
I turned down an Engineering job to go out and accomplish the things i desire on my own (i.e hopefully acquiring that degree i mentioned) and hopefully see as much of this diverse planet as possible while proudly serving this country. And even if I fall short of my aspirations i will find it hard to blame the NAVY when it was me who signed on the line. Like anyone here with a bad experience did.
Diablo

Pasadena, MD

#859 Jun 5, 2007
Cory- Getting a degree will entirely be up to you. It will take a lot of work and your command will not make it easy for you. Your first priority to them is you doing what they want,ie being a corpsman. You also want to be careful with "diploma mill" schools. Basically these are schools that take money and give out fake credentials. Here's some stuff you should look into.
PACE- Program for Afloat College Education, basically big boats offer college classes out to sea. Space is very limited and you need to pay for the books. Usually only basic courses like english 101 or history are offered.
TA- Tuition Assistance, available to all active duty sailors, they pay 75% up to $2500 a year. Notice that you need to go in your off time so this can be really difficult and $2500 won't pay for much college in a single year. You need to all this on your own and hope you command will support you in getting you out of duty. I think you can use the GI Bill while on active duty, but I wouldn't recommend it. This is just the programs I knew of before I got out and I'm sure they may have changed. You need to research this on your own. No one is going to go out of their way to hold your hand. Good luck dude.
Cory

Simi Valley, CA

#860 Jun 6, 2007
Right on Diablo. Well I guess the only thing left now is to just take it a day at a time. If I can get into C school I might try and go the route of something like an X-ray tech. If I end up being better off waiting till after Iím out to work on my degree with the GI bill help like I believe I read is what you are doing, that is fine. For some reason Iíve decided for better or worse to add this chapter into -- most likely the dull story of my life, either way I think I will be easy to please. I appreciate the info, and wish you and everyone else all the best.
Diablo

Pasadena, MD

#861 Jun 7, 2007
Just one more thing about doing school at your command. There will be people in your division that will have various collateral duties. The one your interested in is TPO or Training Petty Officer. That is the person who is supposed to handle all the training for you division and also in charge of people getting outside training, ie using TA for college. If the person is on the money and takes being a TPO seriously, it will help a lot in getting a degree. If they are a shitbag, your kind of screwed. You can try and go to the Command Career Consoler, but they will send you back to your TPO nine times out of ten. Good luck dude.
jason

Tuscaloosa, AL

#862 Jun 7, 2007
my friend has been a boats men for 3 years now becasue the recruiter didnt tell him if the school is full "youll get to scrub, bust rust, chip paint, paint, clean the heads, and other bullcrap on ship while you wait your turn until your school is open to go to
mudstew

Columbus, OH

#863 Jun 7, 2007
I'm in the Navy, and I wake up every day depressed just knowing what I have to go through that day. Let me tell you about the advancement sytem. Since my two years of being on board, I've seen OS's come in as Seamen Apprentices that are now second classes, while I'm still a third class. I do ten times as much work, and I scored way higher on my ASVAB, but yet, I'm still the same rank I was when I got here. I'm getting tired of seeing these morons get advanced and getting BAH so they can get houses off the ship while I still have to live in my little 2 foot by 6 foot hole. You give these people a little rank, and they run away with it. Most of the people in charge are people who wouldn't amount to much in the "real world", and they abuse their rank. They're too busy trying to kiss the ass of the person above them to pay attention to how outrageous their demands of us are. We don't get any work done because we're too busy "training". Training is great, but it won't make a difference if our equipment doesn't work. I'm stationed in Japan, and the rules are just ridiculous. I'm 25 years old and I can't leave the ship without telling the people in charge where I'm going, when I'm going to be there, and who I'm going to be with. And that's for everybody, except the officers, because they live in a different world then us. I get phone calls when I'm out on "liberty" asking me where I am, and who I'm with. I've worked for fourteen to sixteen hour work days for two months straight without a day off. Granted, I signed up for this, but I had many more expectations. I came in with a good outlook
Boolai aka The Prophet

United States

#864 Jun 7, 2007
I will say the truth. These are the facts. If you go into the Navy as an enlisted. If you enlist you are entering a very classest system. Where you "will" work 16 hour days. All in the name of your country and most of all for the officers. Who but for a few token minorities are all but white upper class Americans. Who will smile to your face but stab you in your back. All in the name of discipline. They will pat you on your back on moment and the next you could be facing captain's mass. Which is a mockery of a copy of our own justice system. These officer's will have more freedom more privileges and more dignity than you will ever have. All you could be one of them if you work three times as hard and kiss plenty of asses. Now for the chiefs. These are composed of mostly over weight poorly mannered henchmen for the officers. Their job is to make you "work, Work WORK, " You want to see your child get born!!!??? How dare you ask get back to work you slacker. F@#$$ gundecker. Yup thats what you will get.

Now if you can deal with that? Here are some facts. 30% of the American patriots who volunteered to help their Country, get a dishonorable discharge. Another 30% of those patriots end up homeless. A certain percentage end up addicted to alcohol yet another percentage end up with mental damage. Yet another end up sexually assaulted.

So do yourself favor and "DO NOT VOLUNTEER!!!" They will use that fact that you signed a contract as an excuse to treat you poorly and abuse you. So until they make some major changes to the military. F$$$ them

“Shore duty...gotta love it!”

Since: May 07

Newark, NJ

#865 Jun 8, 2007
I would venture to suggest that if you refocused some of that negative "complainer" energy into something slightly more productive, you'd see things turn around for you. In every job, either in the "real world" or military, there is a pecking order; that's just the linear system that we friendly Americans adhere to, friend...someone on the top, and conversely, someone on the bottom. The quicker you get to the top, the easier the jobs get and the more freedom you earn. The advancement system is faulted, but not faulty; it does accomplish its objective, and that's to advance a certain percentage of eligible personnel based on established criteria. If you don't meet the minimum standard for advancement, you don't get the nod. Simple. Single BAH and the other bennies should be your inspiration to study harder and make rank rather than fuel your obvious disposition, shipmate. I'm a seven-year PO1 that's been to court martial and had to cross-rate. You think it was easy to bounce back and progress???? I dedicated myself to raising my family and furthering my career, and gave up on whining about the disparities between the ranks. It's pointless. Typically, the ones that continue to whine and gripe are the ones that are the most fearful of trying, of setting themselves apart for fear that they may not measure up. Fear. Not the Navy, young fella. Your pesimism - is that helping anything, or hindering you from success? Stop worrying about what other people are doing and concentrate on what you can do for yourself. Do you write your own evals? Do you just sign 'em when you get 'em? Do you volunteer, or wait to be "volun-told"? Have you been seeking higher education? Have you routed a request for a C-school that would benefit you & the command? NKO - have you been taking courses, or are you one of those guys that insist none of that stuff will help you in the "real world"? Let me hip you to some wisdom - those are the guys that come back from the Navy with nothing to show for it...those are the guys in line at the VA trying to get a little more for BS injuries...they were afraid to try while they were active, and want to settle for scraps as a civilian. My wife works at the VA doing med screenings, and is also a Navy veteran (HM2), so my opinion is well qualified. I only ask of my people that they do better than that, challenge themselves and grab every opportunity. Try that.
Diablo

Pasadena, MD

#866 Jun 8, 2007
Ahhh... so that is how you cross rated. You made it sound like it was a free option on your part. That was my whole issue when you made it sound like it was easy for someone to cross rate from an undermanned rate to an overmanned rate. That makes a lot more sense as to why your an SK. You know, I often wondered why women in abusive relationship would go back to their husband and often defend them. Makes you think...

Mudstew... Sounds like you are in an overmanned rate. Hey, maybe like SK2, you can screw up and get another rate? Keep in mind that when you hit your four year point, you will get BAH. If you get out at your four year point, well, think about the poor bastards that do six year initial commitments, trust me it sucks when you hit that four year point and have two more to go. All I can suggest is that you guys find something that you really care about. Anything that can take your mind off the navy when you aren't on your shithole boats. Working on cars, video games, writing, pretty much any hobby to keep you sane. When ever I felt really depressed on the boat, I would go to the smoke paid and laugh to myself at the gold chevron seconds. I was a second myself at the time but still, I think they deserved to be laugh at by everyone. 12 years and only an E-5 Jesus that's pathetic. Just try to keep your heads up. I could be worse... You could be a diggit like SK2.

“Shore duty...gotta love it!”

Since: May 07

Newark, NJ

#867 Jun 8, 2007
Diablo wrote:
Ahhh... so that is how you cross rated. You made it sound like it was a free option on your part. That was my whole issue when you made it sound like it was easy for someone to cross rate from an undermanned rate to an overmanned rate. That makes a lot more sense as to why your an SK. You know, I often wondered why women in abusive relationship would go back to their husband and often defend them. Makes you think...
Mudstew... Sounds like you are in an overmanned rate. Hey, maybe like SK2, you can screw up and get another rate? Keep in mind that when you hit your four year point, you will get BAH. If you get out at your four year point, well, think about the poor bastards that do six year initial commitments, trust me it sucks when you hit that four year point and have two more to go. All I can suggest is that you guys find something that you really care about. Anything that can take your mind off the navy when you aren't on your shithole boats. Working on cars, video games, writing, pretty much any hobby to keep you sane. When ever I felt really depressed on the boat, I would go to the smoke paid and laugh to myself at the gold chevron seconds. I was a second myself at the time but still, I think they deserved to be laugh at by everyone. 12 years and only an E-5 Jesus that's pathetic. Just try to keep your heads up. I could be worse... You could be a diggit like SK2.
Again, wrong on all accounts...court-martial isn't how I lost my rate, but it's a mute point discussing anything with an underachieving, VA benefit mooching, no-real-talent-having, "oh, I joined for the college money" excuse making, sad sad name-calling, no original thought having, couldn't make it so make fun of those that do, no college degree having, simple-minded, fake advice giving sumumabitch like you. Truly pointless. Diggit...c'mon, please. If you'd like to insult me, please dig a little deeper than that. Judging by your short stay in the Navy, limited life experience, and obvious ignorance, I'd say that you are where you deserve to be in life, and your comments are clearly indicative of a slight inferiority complex. Dude, since when is SK overmanned? Stop relying on your outdated stats & misguided theories. Face facts...you're on a thread about the Navy spending your "valuable" time discussing something you really wish you were still a part of. Don't get my story fucked up, son. I filled out a 1306/7 like everyone else that wishes to cross-rate and waited for BUPERS approval via message. So smart, yet so immensely dumb, Diablo. Get a new hobby because blogging ain't really one of your strong points. The fact of the matter still remains...even with all of my personal & professional setbacks, Navy nonsense & bullshit, I'm still leaps & bounds ahead of you in every aspect. You're still searching for your identity, kid! Go wait in the VA line some more, read a few good books, and get back to me when you've matured.
Jan

United States

#868 Jun 9, 2007
Well Im 15, going to be a Sophomore in High School and all my life Ive had a dream. Id always wanted to be a General, Admiral or whatever the hell. The military looked so great, I loved reading about history and battles my whole life. Weapons, tanks, cannons. I love military history and am a war buff. My grades are spectacular, my parents can afford just about any college and I cant find many colleges I wouldnt be able to get too. According from info at college fairs Ive been too.

Besides that. I am considering doing my dream and joining the Navy. I honestly dont think I can cut it as a soldier on the ground. I like boats, my grandpa was in the Navy too.

If I was to join Id go to some college and do NROTC along with whatever I choose and come out as an Ensign. O-1.

How is life in the Navy for Officers? Any better? Does it suck? Will I be turned into a terrible man bullying people under me? I dont want to be one of those assholes. I dont want to be miserable either.

So how is it in the Navy as a Surface Warfare Officer? I know all be on a boat but do Officers get a better room and situation? How easy can I run up the ranks? Ive heard its faster in the navy. Is that true?
Diablo

Pasadena, MD

#869 Jun 9, 2007
Jan- As you can guess, everyone here is enlisted, either currently serving or in my case, freshly out. So while we may have experience dealing with officers, we wouldn't really have all the info that you would need. Word of warning, DO NOT go to a recruiter for information about becoming an officer. They will feed you a lot of crap to try and get you to go enlisted, that's their job but that is NOT what you want. Your going to want to look into ROTC or the Naval Academy for answers. Surface Warfare Officer covers a lot of different jobs on quite a few platforms. A SWO in charge of a weapons division will face different challenges than a Engineering SWO on a carrier. Life is better for officers is some ways and not in others. You'll get better living conditions, food, and pay, but you'll have more responsibility and longer work hours than enlisted. As for advancement, you may have noticed people bitching about advancement exams. Officers don't have those. They basically make rank by doing their time and getting good evaluations. I have never really heard that the Navy had a faster officer advancement over the other branches. You asked if officers bully people under them... My point of view when I was in was that if the junior people had a problem with their officers, this was usually the fault of the chief or LPO. A typical division is made up in levels with the Divo(Division Officer) followed by the LCPO(Leading Chief Petty Officer), LPO (Top first or second class) and then down to the grunts. The chief and the LPO should act like a shit filter for stuff going up and down the chain of command but that depends on having good people which isn't always the case. Here's a website with some good info about officer programs and all branches of the military in general
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/officerjo2/a/m...
One last thing, war and the military in general is no joke. It's not like the movies or TV at all, especially that show "JAG". To make it to admiral or master chief takes a lot of work, time, luck, and doing shit I wasn't willing to do.(Here you go SK, rip me right there with something like 'dedication') Good luck kid and don't just look here for info.
Nukesubem ret

Shippingport, PA

#870 Jun 9, 2007
Diablo wrote:
Jan- As you can guess, everyone here is enlisted, either currently serving or in my case, freshly out. So while we may have experience dealing with officers, we wouldn't really have all the info that you would need. Word of warning, DO NOT go to a recruiter for information about becoming an officer. They will feed you a lot of crap to try and get you to go enlisted, that's their job but that is NOT what you want. Your going to want to look into ROTC or the Naval Academy for answers. Surface Warfare Officer covers a lot of different jobs on quite a few platforms. A SWO in charge of a weapons division will face different challenges than a Engineering SWO on a carrier. Life is better for officers is some ways and not in others. You'll get better living conditions, food, and pay, but you'll have more responsibility and longer work hours than enlisted. As for advancement, you may have noticed people bitching about advancement exams. Officers don't have those. They basically make rank by doing their time and getting good evaluations. I have never really heard that the Navy had a faster officer advancement over the other branches. You asked if officers bully people under them... My point of view when I was in was that if the junior people had a problem with their officers, this was usually the fault of the chief or LPO. A typical division is made up in levels with the Divo(Division Officer) followed by the LCPO(Leading Chief Petty Officer), LPO (Top first or second class) and then down to the grunts. The chief and the LPO should act like a shit filter for stuff going up and down the chain of command but that depends on having good people which isn't always the case. Here's a website with some good info about officer programs and all branches of the military in general
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/officerjo2/a/m...
One last thing, war and the military in general is no joke. It's not like the movies or TV at all, especially that show "JAG". To make it to admiral or master chief takes a lot of work, time, luck, and doing shit I wasn't willing to do.(Here you go SK, rip me right there with something like 'dedication') Good luck kid and don't just look here for info.
Diablo--I don't think the word is "dedication"--its several words--I learned during my 20 years of indentured servitude--namely: 1) ass-kissing 2) politics and 3) priorities (yours had better be the Navy above all else including family--as in a diggits frame of mind).

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