"The Navy" The worst thing you can do to yourself

[NavyJack]

DidiMakemistake wrote:

hello all,
I recently enlisted into the DEP Navy as a AZ (Avivation Maintanance Adminstrationman)under the rank E-3 (because I have a MS Degree). I was wondering if anyone had any experience or knows anything about this classification. The reason why I didnt go attempt the officer program was becauase I had some bumps and brusies during my the college school years(2 MJ charge posseion both dropped ) which required me or apply for a civil waiver. So I fiqured I would just work my way up. Anyways, I was so happy that I was accpected into the Navy and my waiverd was approved that I picked the first thing offered that was based in administration (since my degree in in Public Admistraion). Now as time went on I began to read up on the duties and responsibilites of the job title in addtion to reading various experiences of enlisted saliors with the navy and doubt began to surface about the recent decision I made about enlisting into the NAVY. So I come to ask two questions : First: Can any help me out as to whether or not this is classification(AZ)would be of any interest or has any potential of advancement in rank; Second: Should I inquire about the offcier program instead, or is it difficult to become/transition from an officer from an enlisted? Help any would be of great benefit.

Whatever you do, and I cannot say this in strong enough words, if you have a degree DO NOT ENLIST! Officer programs are the only way it's worthwhile to join the Navy unless you have no other way to put food on your table. As an E-3 your pay will be abysmal, your work hours will be beyond terrible, and you will be someones bitch for menial tasks and scrubbing decks. It doesn't matter if you're older than JO's and have a degree and some real life experience. You will have no respect on any level as a junior enlisted person. The officer life is completely different from the enlisted life. Look at the pay charts, look at the living conditions, and please believe if you enlist you will hate yourself for wasting your time in college first. Get the waiver, go officer, and if you have any student loan debt the military will most likely pay it off.

[DeepSea doc]

Halo wrote:

To elaborate on my first post. The Navy loves the reputation it has earned in decades past an loves to throw that in your face. They tell you how you should be proud and motivated one minute and treat you like shit, and expect you to smile and carry on. They talk about honor, courage, and commitment. But I have seen none of that. It's just propaganda.
And then their are the shitbag Joe Navy types that eat that shit up. They are the first to tell you how wrong you are for your bad additude, no matter how fucked up the situation was that caused you to stop caring. They have an excuse for everything. "at least you aren't on a ship" "at least you aren't in the sandbox" "well, that's the Navy for you" "it's just what you make of it". I am done with it. The Navy is a joke.

Man oh man. Perfect description of the navy. And I don't even have a " shit job" I am a diver, it's supposed to be cool, but the navy found a way to make it shit

[DeepSea doc]

Kevin wrote:

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Wow, anger from someone who played and failed. Well, first of all, he didn't call you or refer to you all as "Parasites". He never even said you were weak. You either failed to meet certain standards or decided it wasn't for you. I've been in for 9 years, and I have had my ups and downs. There are more reasons than money that I joined. Money is a good thing to have these days, but it's not everything. I'm a Corpsman myself and have been deployed 4 times in my career. As of now I'm a 2nd Class and working on 1st and probably will get it... Because I know I can. People like me like watching people like you jump up and down and squeal when things don't go your way. Now people like YOUUUU are weak. We are grateful to see you go because you are definitely one of those who does not have what it takes to be here. I know I am probably not getting through to you, but I'm glad to know you are not in my navy. You are right, it's great to have a guaranteed paycheck every month. It's the least my tax dollars can do for me for being away from family for months/years on in.
Good advice for next response you have to this... Please make sure you spell check your work, don't let your fingers shake in anger on the keyboard, you did this to yourself.

Wow. Well I am a corpsman too, and I have been with the marines too, and made it through one of the navy's toughest schools ( dive school) so I am in no way weak. I was with recon in the marines, again not weak. Glad you love the navy. But people don't get out because they are weak, the Navy is full of shit. Hardworking people don't get good evals or advance, people who neglect their work, only do collateral duties, and take college courses ( most of which they do during working hours) get EP's. I came into the navy to do a job, and I have done a damn good one, but the political and all other bull shit the military is full of, is too much for a sane and STRONG man to take. Men stick up for themselves and for what is right. Yet this is not the way of the military so who's weak? also who did you deploy with?

[CTR2]

Regardless of your personal feelings on the navy, it is, indisputably, very hard on family life. Especially the early years of marriage and the lives of your children.
If you are able to provide for your family any other way, I would say get out, otherwise, be prepared to be a stranger to your children.

- 5 Year USN (separated)

[Bog Saget]

I feel like most of the people who have commented on this thread are either A. Butt Hurt that they've never been recognized in the Navy as someone competent enough for a promotion, B. Don't know what they're talking about, C. Didn't know shit about what they were signing up for, or D. Bitter over something that has no real business being translated over to someone else's past or future experiences.
It's relative. It is all freaking relative and YES--you /can't/ really expect someone to have the same shitty experiences that you've had.
Honestly, everyone I've talked to about joining the Navy or Air Force has given me straight answers. This, my fucking strangers, includes the good, the bad, and the ugly. The ugly is pretty goddamn ugly by the way. But you know what? If you want to serve you're going to have deal with it. Suck it up and stop whining about how unfair and cooperate the Navy is. The hell did you think you were joining?
Like holy crap. If you thought that you could escape politics by joining ANY military branch, you're probably a conceited elitist who isn't nearly as smart as you think you are. You've also probably have been living under a rock.

I see a lot of complaining on this thread about people getting treated like shit and getting denied grade advancements and bullshit like that. All I can say is no duh.
To the dude that goes: "Oh gee, well I'm an intelligent bloke and all I do each and every day is get bossed around by some thumb sucking dick fresh out of OTS. And oh? My job? It sucks! Here I am with a 91 on my ASVAB and I'm scraping gum off the floors and painting the ships pretty pale pink for the guys who spit on my boots and call me Darling."
You're an idiot.
By the way, the Air Force is just as bad. You get screwed over there too--probably more so. Advancements are a lot slower, they'll screw up your orders and make you wait for forever to get new ones, and they will LIE about your "future" job's deployment rates.
The posts on this thread are truly disgusting.

[Bog Saget]

By the way, if you've gotten screwed over EVER: You probably weren't doing it right.

It's a nasty world out there. Learn to keep up and do what you have to do, what you NEED to do, or forever be doomed to bitch and complain on forums like this.

Cynicism may patch up your bruised ego along the way. I mean, we don't live in Utopia, so stop expecting everything to work out just SWIMMINGLY for you.

And really, some people just don't have what it takes. Take the time to do some extensive research on what you're joining before you do so. At least then when you get fucked over, because there is no "if", you can take it in stride and MAYBE even flip it over to work for you.

[Halo]

You can always count in the good'ol Joe Navy's out there to stick up for the bullshit.

I suppose if you are too weak or stupid to make it in the real world the Navy does seem pretty legit. All you gotta do is get your knee pad time in and good things will come for you.

Bottom line. Good sailors get out as soon as possible. Great sailors get out as soon as possible and by any means necessary. Who does that leave I wonder? A bunch of Jo Navy shit bags who are happy to whore themselves out for the Navy and then be greatful for the crumbs they are given.

The Navy is a terrible organization. But because it forces out good/smart people because they simply realize that they are better than this, the navy is free to victimize the next batch and is comfortable that it will never be held accountable for its wrong doing. And that needs to change.

[noftogive]

Bog Saget wrote:

By the way, if you've gotten screwed over EVER: You probably weren't doing it right.
It's a nasty world out there. Learn to keep up and do what you have to do, what you NEED to do, or forever be doomed to bitch and complain on forums like this.
Cynicism may patch up your bruised ego along the way. I mean, we don't live in Utopia, so stop expecting everything to work out just SWIMMINGLY for you.
And really, some people just don't have what it takes. Take the time to do some extensive research on what you're joining before you do so. At least then when you get fucked over, because there is no "if", you can take it in stride and MAYBE even flip it over to work for you.

Yes, please stay in. The navy needs complete morons like you to fill its ranks. Keep up the good work you golden product of the American mindset, and stay in the navy and out of our real world. We don't want people like you.

[YESME]

I will give you an example of why I hate the Navy...Im on leave right now by the way and its taking me every ounce of strength to not make the 15 hour drive back to virginia tommorow for muster.......I work in a warehouse our command assigns us jobs(things that need to be fixed) recently because of the horrible leadership we had we were backed up 40 jobs...we got a new first class that was on top of everything an we got all the jobs done to the point were there are no more left we get probably 2 in a day which takes 1 hour to complete, now tell me why I have to stay from 0600-1800 every fucking day when all our work is done by 0800? yes thats right i sit in the warehouse twiddling my thumbs until me an the rest of my shipmates can leave at 1800? why do 3 master chiefs get credit for all those jobs being done when They never even walked in the our shop before...didnt even know it existed...also why do they get to leave at 1300 everyday? why do those same masterchiefs an officers assign sailors(me and my shipmates) to help civilians unpack there PERSONAL belongings for 3 weeks straight as "a favor" yea thats right sir im a fucking butler to your civilian friends....anyways I joined to serve my country to utilize and test myself to honor my country an my family instead my time is wasted I put on a uniform and sit on my ass all day and clean spaces that havent even been touch simply because it occupies our time. now im at a dilemma because i want to get admin sepp'd but I know if i do it will squash my chances of joining another military branch our government agency which is my future dream. Im upset because i thought I would get to serve my country in a more integral way, I thought I would see the world and hit ports and gain job and world experience, instead all my A school learning was done on a computer. what stories and legacy am i going to have for my kids, "yea I was in the Navy once I took out garbage for 4 years" theres no sense of respect towards rank a seaman can talk to a first class like i talk to my dog. people are promoted based on a test about your rate, not your leadership abilities or your morals, meaning you can be a total shit bag but get frocked. evals dont count because the people who are in charge of those evals lie on them. theres no comrarderie its people stepping on each other no matter what the cost to benefit themselves...is this honor? is this courage or commitment?, now i want to know am i wrong for hating the Navy?...are the things I said not I joined the wrong branch plain and simple and all the people on here saying stop whining and bitching because you get payed...they can keep there money shit i will double the amount of what i earned since i got in as long as they give me my freedom, so i can actually do something productive with my life and SERVE my country not take out garbage and hang picture frames of finger paintings in my master chiefs sisters office.
excuse my spelling mistakes i typed this on my phone while pissed off.

[noftogive]

YESME wrote:

I will give you an example of why I hate the Navy...Im on leave right now by the way and its taking me every ounce of strength to not make the 15 hour drive back to virginia tommorow for muster.......I work in a warehouse our command assigns us jobs(things that need to be fixed) recently because of the horrible leadership we had we were backed up 40 jobs...we got a new first class that was on top of everything an we got all the jobs done to the point were there are no more left we get probably 2 in a day which takes 1 hour to complete, now tell me why I have to stay from 0600-1800 every fucking day when all our work is done by 0800? yes thats right i sit in the warehouse twiddling my thumbs until me an the rest of my shipmates can leave at 1800? why do 3 master chiefs get credit for all those jobs being done when They never even walked in the our shop before...didnt even know it existed...also why do they get to leave at 1300 everyday? why do those same masterchiefs an officers assign sailors(me and my shipmates) to help civilians unpack there PERSONAL belongings for 3 weeks straight as "a favor" yea thats right sir im a fucking butler to your civilian friends....anyways I joined to serve my country to utilize and test myself to honor my country an my family instead my time is wasted I put on a uniform and sit on my ass all day and clean spaces that havent even been touch simply because it occupies our time. now im at a dilemma because i want to get admin sepp'd but I know if i do it will squash my chances of joining another military branch our government agency which is my future dream. Im upset because i thought I would get to serve my country in a more integral way, I thought I would see the world and hit ports and gain job and world experience, instead all my A school learning was done on a computer. what stories and legacy am i going to have for my kids, "yea I was in the Navy once I took out garbage for 4 years" theres no sense of respect towards rank a seaman can talk to a first class like i talk to my dog. people are promoted based on a test about your rate, not your leadership abilities or your morals, meaning you can be a total shit bag but get frocked. evals dont count because the people who are in charge of those evals lie on them. theres no comrarderie its people stepping on each other no matter what the cost to benefit themselves...is this honor? is this courage or commitment?, now i want to know am i wrong for hating the Navy?...are the things I said not I joined the wrong branch plain and simple and all the people on here saying stop whining and bitching because you get payed...they can keep there money shit i will double the amount of what i earned since i got in as long as they give me my freedom, so i can actually do something productive with my life and SERVE my country not take out garbage and hang picture frames of finger paintings in my master chiefs sisters office.
excuse my spelling mistakes i typed this on my phone while pissed off.

Keep the hate strong, you're not alone in your feelings. The navy is a garbage corporation run by the lazy, ignorant fools who are too afraid to give the real world a shot. Get out and make a difference with your own two hands, be happy again. Don't let them with their false sense of entitlement knock you down. The honor, camaraderie, courage and all the other lies they threw your way dissipated with the last real war. Without war the military losses its purpose, losses it's moxy,it's ranks become complacent. So the overweight spineless basterds who command you have too much free time to waste of their own so we're stuck getting yelled for boots not being shined or not cleaning enough. This is the what our country produces, men who will say you're out of uniform because hair is barel touching your ears, but they're gut is hanging over they're belt. Our forefather and past veterans are rolling in their graves over what our military has become. FTN

[Bob Saget]

noftogive wrote:

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Yes, please stay in. The navy needs complete morons like you to fill its ranks. Keep up the good work you golden product of the American mindset, and stay in the navy and out of our real world. We don't want people like you.

Yeah, because what I said brands me as a moron. Try again, dude. Say something with a little more concrete definition and I might actually consider you more than a military drop out.
And you REALLY said "OUR real world".
That is just hilarious.

[noftogive]

Bob Saget wrote:

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Yeah, because what I said brands me as a moron. Try again, dude. Say something with a little more concrete definition and I might actually consider you more than a military drop out.
And you REALLY said "OUR real world".
That is just hilarious.

Drop out of what? Making random false facts, that's some good 'ol navy teachings right there. With people like you and the points you make it's not worth my time to put you in your place. My last post was more than good enough for me. I'm glad I made you laugh, since all of our real worlds laugh at you. Stay ignorant my man.

[OTH discharge]

Joined the Navy at age 19 in 1990 during the Gulf War.

Did well on NFQT... originally signed up as an ET.

"Obtained" a civilian misdemeanor drug charge about one year earlier (simple possession of marijuana). My recruiter was informed right of the bat. He did whatever it is recruiters do when checking out potential enlistees and came up blank... probably, he said, because the charge was issued in a county other than the one I resided in at the time and that's the only county he checked (or was required to).

Such a blemish on my record would disqualify me for the nuclear field (nonwaiverable offense). Apparently recruiters get more &#8220;points&#8221; for nuke pukes. So, I was to keep my mouth shut about it and he'd do the same... with the agreement that if it came to light, that he would deny any knowledge. That was fine with me. What else was I going to do?

All was good. Went to MEPS... no problem. Nothing was ever said about the misdemeanor. I was going to be an ET in a nuclear environment (hopefully a sub). Awesome!

About 5 months into delayed entry (one month before scheduled to leave for boot camp), I dislocated my elbow in an accident (mountain bike vs ATV... ATV won). Had to return to MEPS for reprocessing; to have my entry date set back enough to allow a full recovery.

Guess what &#8220;came to light&#8221;.

Couldn't be a nuke anymore and was convinced the next best rate for me would be GSE.

Exited boot camp as an E2 (for suckering a friend into joining) and, roughly 10 months later, graduated top of my class from A-school. Got first pick of duty stations and all that jazz.

The GS rate is responsible for operating and maintaining the ship's propulsion and electrical generating systems >>> gas turbines. GSMs mainly work with the mechanical aspects while GSEs focus primarily on electrical/electronic systems and subsystems such as control panels, alarms, indicators, etc.

I never got to touch a f_cking turbine (after A-school).

I never got to touch anything electronic (again, after A-school).

I was never given an opportunity to perform the job that was GUARANTEED to me. I busted my ass in A-school a wound up working as the Oil King... something an electronics geek has no business doing.

WTF?

It was a breach of contract and I wanted out of the god damned Navy.

ALL we did was waste millions upon millions of gallons of diesel roaming the Atlantic, sometimes drag racing with other ships (literally)... dumping sewage, garbage and OCW everywhere we went.

That ain't what I signed up for.

(continued)

[OTH discharge]

Nor did I sign up to chip freshly laid paint so I could repaint and rechip and repaint, ad infinitum... just to give me something to do.

I must have observed tons of brass shell casings get deep sixed (5&#8221; guns got exercised quite regularly) >>> more vulgar, obscene, and pointless waste.

Anyway...

As stated I wanted out and knew how to get out >>> make them kick me out.

Went UA one for one week... no dice. Nothing but 30 days restriction.

A second excursion lasting almost a full month did the trick. It earned me an OTH.

I'll be the first to point out that the training one receives in Navy &#8220;A&#8221; school is top rate... but, it doesn't mean shit outside of the Navy. Companies would NOT hire me... not because of the OTH discharge... but because I had no experience and no civilian education. Graduated from a local tech school easily and with flying colors. The curriculum (electronics/electronic theory) was almost identical in structure and content as I remembered from school in the Navy. I learned nearly nothing new and the whole post-Navy education was completely unnecessary... and I had to pay for it... no GI bill for me due to the OTH discharge.

Oh, I forgot...

On the way outta the Navy, while in TPU, I learned that a simple possession charge was waiverable and I could've still entered as a nuke/ET.

Oh well... right?

That OTH discharge never caused me any grief until this past year. I've been denied employment because of it. It's bullsh!t. If my Navy training was never worth mentioning, why should an OTH discharge received nearly 20 years ago be of concern?

For me, the entire experience, excluding boot camp (which I thoroughly enjoyed) was a colossal waste of 3 years of my life (signed up for 4)... and now it's f_cked me... royally.

I never should have joined. It's, by far, the worst mistake I ever made.

One more thing...

As stated, I joined during the Gulf War. It ended while I was in boot camp. Why did I receive a national defense ribbon? I didn't do sh!t to earn that and got one anyway. That's always bugged me.

Thanks for reading.

[ActiveNavyCorpsm an]

I just cant believe people say some sh!t like this. If you didnt wanna be in...you shouldnt of joined. Now you blame the Navy for you forcing yourself out? Thats stupid. The civilian world does recongnize "Veterans" but if you think your one cause you got kicked out on your own terms is right? Its not. Ive been in 2 years and have already been offered jobs for after getting out. Im proud to be in the Navy and there's nowhere else i would see myself except in a lot of drugs and in a lot of trouble.

[Hukt on Fonix]

ActiveNavyCorpsman wrote:

I just cant believe people say some sh!t like this. If you didnt wanna be in...you shouldnt of joined. Now you blame the Navy for you forcing yourself out? Thats stupid. The civilian world does recongnize "Veterans" but if you think your one cause you got kicked out on your own terms is right? Its not. Ive been in 2 years and have already been offered jobs for after getting out. Im proud to be in the Navy and there's nowhere else i would see myself except in a lot of drugs and in a lot of trouble.

ActiveNavyTwerp:

Listen...

I did wanna be in... it's why I joined.

You see, I'm one of those people that actually enjoys productive work. I have what was at one time known as a healthy work ethic.

That's why I didn't fit in the Navy... that's why I left. It was nothing but pointless labor, exuberant expenditure, and wasted resources.

Hell... the most challenging aspect of the Navy was getting out of the Navy.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Did you even read my post (for comprehension)?

Can you read for comprehension?

When I left the Navy, I cut all ties. I didn't expect anything. What was meant in mentioning my civilian training is that it was 100% redundant. That particular school modeled itself after Navy A-school. As stated... it was almost identical in curriculum structure and content to A-school. If I hadn't joined the Navy, then it would've at least felt as if the money spent on a civilian education was a necessary hit to my wallet. In order for me to get a job, I had to go to a private school and allow to someone (likely ex-Navy too) to "teach" me what I already knew, prolly better than they did.

Do I think I'm a veteran? Hell no!

Do I want to be? HELL NO!

Doesn't matter... technically, according to the Navy... I am a veteran... because there was a "police action" going on while I was in boot camp. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Makes one wonder >>> How many other "veterans" are out there who are undeserving of the title and the benefits it warrants?

Also...

You're too quick to take offense. Typical of the military mindset I suppose (another reason I didn't fit in). I was referring to my experience(s)... not yours or anyone else's.

So, Twerp...

Go back to your rack and jerk off some more while my tax dollars pay for it.

Regards,
Your Daddy.

(Just so you know...)
(At this time, you should take offense.)
(You guys need to be told everything!)
(Sheesh!)

[Hukt on Fonix]

BTW, Twerp:

It should go without saying...

But, once again, knowing how you boys are...

(kinda, you know, slow...)

I posted previously as the greybox "OTH Discharge".

Apologies for any confusion you experienced.

[Hukt on Fonix]

Twerp, lemme ask ya a question...

I'm assuming you successfully completed corpsman training.

I'm also assuming, because you successfully completed training, you get to perform the work you trained for.

Correct?

Honestly ask yourself >>> "What if you lived up to your side of the agreement... but the Navy didn't?"

When I joined, part of the Navy's sales pitch (and the Army's) was training in any field the candidate qualified for... and upon successful completion of said training... a guarantee to the job he trained for.

I lived up to my end.

The Navy didn't.

That's a fact.

[TheMan]

Yea dude your a Corpsman, corpsmen have it fucking made, they get barracks assignments, shit some E3's get their own appartments most of the ones I know never been on a ship before but you always hear them complaining about how hard their job is because they get off a 1600 everyday...shit when i was on my ship you know when i get off....2000, the FMF have my respect and my jealousy i wish i could get the experience they could. how do i know? im stationed at a hospital(portsmouth Naval hospital) all these corpsman do is smoke spice sit in their office fucking off, and misdiagnose people. last week i got my blood drawn and the stupid ass kept sticking me in my muscle. so if your a corpsman excluding FMF and you have something to say shut the fuck up. the Navy treats you guys good. I would trade my rate in a second for all the training you get the Easy ass job and you get to have a house and no sea duty. of course you love the Navy because you never been shafted by them. so you cant understand. And why did we join if we didnt like it? You think I would have joined knowing what I know now? i knew it wasnt a walk in the park. i didnt expect to be shit on, lied to, lied about, fucked over, waste of time, wast of brain, waste of education.

[Woldqueen]

I don't mean to start any of the arguments le there have been, but I just wish to know how basic is and what it is like as a AECF, nothing more. I will state i am joining so my family is taken care of. In other words my family and I are homeless and I chose to join so I dont have to worry anymore