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Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#1 Oct 7, 2007
When will the Chicago Tribune end the blockade of the 10/02/07 USS Liberty Story "Comment Board"?

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#2 Oct 7, 2007
Why would the Chicago Tribune remove the "Comment Board" form its own story (10/02/07) about the Israeli ATTACK on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967.

The same "Comment Board" exists on the Baltimore Sun website. Their message board is identical to the Chicago Tribunes board, without the censorship. I guess "Free Speech" is a regional thing?

Today, Sunday 10/07/07, The Chicago Tribune ran a "Voice of the People" response to the USS Liberty story. The story was written by Aaron Snyder.
His "Free Speech" comment summary about the ATTACK: "It was the FOG of war! Great cop-out Aaron.

The United States Congress needs to have FULL CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS on the Attack of the USS Liberty, in full view of the American public. It's the least we can do for the brave crew members of the Liberty.

Maybe Mr. Snyder has some wealthy friends(Israelis) who would contribute to a USS Liberty Memorial! How about it Aaron?

www.ussliberty.com

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#3 Oct 7, 2007
This is a LINK to the Baltimore Sun "Comment Board" for the USS Liberty Story from 10/02/07...

http//www.baltimoresun.com/new s/nation/bal-liberty1002.0.305 3738story

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#4 Oct 7, 2007
If you have a problem with the link above, just type "USS LIBERTY" in the search box and click on the second Liberty story on the page that comes up.
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#5 Oct 7, 2007
Christian Carpenter wrote:
If you have a problem with the link above, just type "USS LIBERTY" in the search box and click on the second Liberty story on the page that comes up.
Why are we sticking so much into this when we aren't doing much about the Cole. Are certain nations more subject to our criticism...they are the only ones voting with us in the UN. They are an ally. If they made a mistake or someone within the country did, is this any different than friendly fire? We've killed others by mistake and we even killed our own.

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#6 Oct 8, 2007
Reza,

It's good to hear from you again.

First, don't you find it a little disturbing that the Chicago Tribune chose to cut off discussion on the main "Message Board" for this story just two days after it was published.

Do you knoe that you can visit the Baltimore Sun's website and find the exact same story and full "Message Board" still intact?

Did you see the "Voice of the People" in the Chicago Tribune on Sunday. The only VOICE that is being heard on "The USS Liberty story" in the Chicago Tribune is that of Mr. Aaron Snyder. Both of you have alot in common, especially the fact that you find that Israel can do no wrong...

You are both lost in "The Fog of Dual Citizenship)...

www.ussliberty.com

PLEASE VISIT THE BALTIMORE SUN'S MESSAGE BOARD, I'M SURE YOU WILL ENJOY THE CHAT.
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#7 Oct 8, 2007
Christian Carpenter wrote:
Reza,
It's good to hear from you again.
First, don't you find it a little disturbing that the Chicago Tribune chose to cut off discussion on the main "Message Board" for this story just two days after it was published.
Do you knoe that you can visit the Baltimore Sun's website and find the exact same story and full "Message Board" still intact?
Did you see the "Voice of the People" in the Chicago Tribune on Sunday. The only VOICE that is being heard on "The USS Liberty story" in the Chicago Tribune is that of Mr. Aaron Snyder. Both of you have alot in common, especially the fact that you find that Israel can do no wrong...
You are both lost in "The Fog of Dual Citizenship)...
www.ussliberty.com
PLEASE VISIT THE BALTIMORE SUN'S MESSAGE BOARD, I'M SURE YOU WILL ENJOY THE CHAT.
And you Christian think it can do no right...
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#8 Oct 8, 2007
Some people hate Israel so much they can't see clearly. It is not perfect but on the other hand the countries around it are not either. They brought the situation to this moment.

After all the agression they displayed in the early days, when Israel finally really fought back (1967) they acted like how dare they. Just as Gaza now says we hate you, we want to kill you and the fact that we have sent rocket after rocket into your country, since we became Hamas means nothing. And suicide bombers are our heros. We are right and you are wrong.

So they suffer. It is a choice.

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#9 Oct 8, 2007
reza santorini wrote:
<quoted text>
And you Christian think it can do no right...
Raza,
Christians, like myself, are far from perfect and Zionist Christians help make the situation in Israel even worse. I'm sure you would agree with that.

But this issue, The USS LIBERTY Attack and the failure by both governments to bring the matter in to the light of day...that's the problem.

The fact that you and the usual suspects accept the ATTACK as a "Mistake" or "The FOG of WAR" is not acceptable today and it was not acceptable 40 years ago.

Why Oh Why don't you want a FULL CONGRESSIONAL HEARING on the matter?

Lets have a televised HEARINGS, so all Americans can see the evidence and comee to their own conclusions.

And how about a USS LIBERTY Memorial in Washington D.C. Please contact your friends and neighbors in Skokie and ask them to help fund a Memorial for these brave American servicemen!
It would be a great way to show how badly Israel-Americans feel about ISRAELI ATTACK on the USS LIBERTY!
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#10 Oct 8, 2007
Christian Carpenter

This is a quote from someone whojust returned from a momentous event in our nation's capital. An organization called Christians United for Israel , or CUFI, convened 4,000 people from all 50 states in several days of briefings and strategy sessions, culminating in an exhilarating, rousing rally in the D.C . Convention Center featuring Jewish leaders and top Christian ministers celebrating the things we hold in common and the spiritual bonds that unite us. The next day, several thousand of the participants fanned out over Washington and Capitol Hill, lobbying virtually every representative and senator on behalf of Israel and its sovereignty.

Why? Couldn't we all see this is an exercise in futility, an unnecessary bother that we'd all be better off if Israel didn't exist? No, we all see clearly that the world needs Israel . The whole world.

What do I mean? Consider: Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can make claim to an astounding number of society's advances in almost every direction!

The technology and medical breakthroughs are amazing. If you want I will list them for you/

Now tell me about Gazaans who are spending their money on better rockets...and finding bigger rocks to throw on the heads of the worshippers at the Mount.

Since: Oct 07

United States

#11 Oct 8, 2007
reza santorini wrote:
Christian Carpenter
This is a quote from someone whojust returned from a momentous event in our nation's capital. An organization called Christians United for Israel , or CUFI, convened 4,000 people from all 50 states in several days of briefings and strategy sessions, culminating in an exhilarating, rousing rally in the D.C . Convention Center featuring Jewish leaders and top Christian ministers celebrating the things we hold in common and the spiritual bonds that unite us. The next day, several thousand of the participants fanned out over Washington and Capitol Hill, lobbying virtually every representative and senator on behalf of Israel and its sovereignty.
Why? Couldn't we all see this is an exercise in futility, an unnecessary bother that we'd all be better off if Israel didn't exist? No, we all see clearly that the world needs Israel . The whole world.
What do I mean? Consider: Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can make claim to an astounding number of society's advances in almost every direction!
The technology and medical breakthroughs are amazing. If you want I will list them for you/
Now tell me about Gazaans who are spending their money on better rockets...and finding bigger rocks to throw on the heads of the worshippers at the Mount.
Reza,
Here we go again...

Are you saying that the Gazaans have no right to exist simply because they are not advanced in science and technology?

Granted, they do throw stone's and use "low tech" home made missles to attack and defend the prison camp's they have been forced to live in.

Yes, they are not as advanced as the Israeli's who have been afforded the most high tech weapons in the world, thanks to the taxpayers of the United States of America.

And most of all, those under educated Gazzan CHILDREN really don't deserve the protection of the United States of America, because after all, they are not Jewish, only Christian and Arabs and Arab Muslims.

Do get me wrong, attacking Israel with crude missles, explosive belts and stones is not a great way to treat even a BAD LANDLORD...

How is it that 1/1000th. of the worlds population causes so many of the worlds problems. Is it possible for a county and a people to be BI-POLAR?

Once again, please stop trying to defend Israels bad behaivor and act like a loyal American, not a loyal Israeli!!!

www.ussliberty.com
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#12 Oct 8, 2007
I'm acting as a loyal American as I support our government's ally. What about you. Why are you working so hard to defeat this country and see it go down. What's wrong did you miss a chance to get a job because of a Jew. Just thought I'd throw in a line equal to the stupidity you throw towards others. What I was saying and if you weren't such a narrow minded bigot is that Gaza has had more than one opportunity to do something to help itself. They don't..and instead they come up with stupid acts that should be beneath them. Like the rockets, like the rocks, etc.
Israel while it maintains, by far, the highest average living standards and per-capita income, exceeding even those of the UK , Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth, relative to its population. It is truly an unparalleled marvel of our time.

Additionally, Perfected a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with congestive heart failure, synchronizing the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

These are only a few of Israel 's recent contributions to the welfare of the world. There are just too many to list here. Water shortage, global warming, space travel, anti-virus, anti-smallpox, blood pressure, solar power, paralysis, diabetes, data storage these and hundreds more are being addressed by Israel's scientists. They're pioneering in DNA research, using tiny strands to create human transistors that can literally build themselves and playing an important role in identifying a defective gene that causes a rare and usually fatal disease in Arab infants!

There was a recent event in our nation's capital. An organization called Christians United for Israel , or CUFI. 4,000 people from all 50 states in several days of briefings and strategy sessions, culminating in an exhilarating, rousing rally in the D.C . Convention Center featuring Jewish leaders and top Christian ministers celebrating the things we all hold in common and the spiritual bonds that unite us.

Sorry but you didn't get an invitation. You probably support CAIR.
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#13 Oct 8, 2007
Christian Carpenter wrote:
<quoted text>Raza,
Christians, like myself, are far from perfect and Zionist Christians help make the situation in Israel even worse. I'm sure you would agree with that.
But this issue, The USS LIBERTY Attack and the failure by both governments to bring the matter in to the light of day...that's the problem.
The fact that you and the usual suspects accept the ATTACK as a "Mistake" or "The FOG of WAR" is not acceptable today and it was not acceptable 40 years ago.
Why Oh Why don't you want a FULL CONGRESSIONAL HEARING on the matter?
Lets have a televised HEARINGS, so all Americans can see the evidence and comee to their own conclusions.
And how about a USS LIBERTY Memorial in Washington D.C. Please contact your friends and neighbors in Skokie and ask them to help fund a Memorial for these brave American servicemen!
It would be a great way to show how badly Israel-Americans feel about ISRAELI ATTACK on the USS LIBERTY!
There are a number of issues I'd like to see discussed in a full congressional review.

This would include our investigation of the killings by own own in Iraq, and the people we send in to "help."
I'd like to investigate why it took so long for use to respond to the hijacked planes on 9/11.

Do I like the loss of life on the Liberty, no of course not. I didn't like what happened to the Pueblo. And I was really annoyed that there were no weapons of mass destruction that I truly believe were their orininally..and were moved under own own eyes.

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#14 Oct 10, 2007
reza santorini wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a number of issues I'd like to see discussed in a full congressional review.
This would include our investigation of the killings by own own in Iraq, and the people we send in to "help."
I'd like to investigate why it took so long for use to respond to the hijacked planes on 9/11.
Do I like the loss of life on the Liberty, no of course not. I didn't like what happened to the Pueblo. And I was really annoyed that there were no weapons of mass destruction that I truly believe were their orininally..and were moved under own own eyes.
Reza,

The USS Pueblo is not a good example. The ship was siezed by North Korea, a country we are still at war with. North Korea didn't kill any American sailors. North Korea is not our ally.

One the other hand, Israel was supposed to be an ally. They knew they were attacking the USS Liberty. It was an ACT OF WAR!

As for Iraq. The ony country that has gained from this war is Israel. Very few suicide bombings since the Americas arrived. We are there to protect Israel, plain and simple!
4000+ Dead American Soliders to date and counting...For What, A country that murdered Americans on June 8, 1967.

Someday the entire world will know the full truth, dispite the Lies...

uss.liberty.com
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#15 Oct 10, 2007
Dear Christian with the one trick mind...Liberty and not the COLE.
I think you are the unloyal American.
And, do you have the slightest idea of what being bi-polar is? Regarding Israel being bad, look at the amount of countries where Islam is trying to take over countries, is warring with
part of the country, controls 22 countries with laws that reflect 6th Century thinking. That is why they don't do as much technology or creative invention, nor win Nobel Prizes. Additionally, Israel has made itself a productive country in spite of being surrounded by neighbors that have fought its existance since inception. Why do you only remember bits and pieces of what has really happened. Does it not enter your mind that if Gaza didn't start raining down on Israel with rockets, didn't blow up the synogoues, and destroy the greenhouses that Israel left when leaving Gaza that maybe peace could have had a chance. And if Gaza didn't spend all its money on aggression and teaching hate even to the degree of creating "educational" videos fo its people.(see MEMRI-TV, where amongst many videos you can see their releases for TV that include children of 3 and 4 saying Yehuds are evil and I want to kill them, or Mothers bragging about their suicide bombing martyrs and wanting more children so more can blow themselves up, or my favorite taken by an outsider where the "dead" man falls off the bier and the runs to catch up with the staged funeral) Note these movie productions cost money..cameras, etc. but they hae a big business in this, and have the money for it..but not for feeding their kids. The greenhouses were left fully operating with produce and flowers to sell to the Europeans (Israelis did this for income and sustanance). Just think, Gaza had a way out of poverty and they chose to blow up things. Additionally, they were given lots of money before (from the Western countries) and their leaders stuck it in their own bank accounts. That is the reason Hamas gained power, they were angry at their leaders..and of course Hamas ran on a platform that claimed it was going to run all the Jews into the sea or wipe it off the map or something like that. Don't blame Israel for its success and don't blame Israel for protecting itself and finally in 1967 taking the land areas that they were being attacked from. High areas, where riflemen sat and took shots at them. They, the Arab, Palestinians are hated even amongst the other Islamic countries..they do not really support them. Syria and Iran want them to fight the war against the US and Jews.
The rest of the countries ignore them and don't even want them in. Notice Israel takes in its people, from every nation...especially all the Jews that the Muslims have kicked out or abused for years...before Hitler (during those days Islam bedded with Naziism...and since then. Jordan was given territory for the Palestinians, the country became much larger, Gaza was Egypt and the West Bank even more of Jordan...they got lots of land and lots of potential..they chose war. I am sick and tired of hearing this garbage propaganda. I am a Christian and was born in Bethlehem...I lived the years of the formation of the country. Life under Muslim rule was not good...it was all about attacking Jews. I still visit yearly...but my parents moved into Israel..and they have a good life...the country is prospering and can practice Christianity with Muslims sitting in ther Church and having War meetings. They can shop where they want and have wonderful choices...Israel made that arrid land bloom.

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#16 Oct 11, 2007
reza santorini wrote:
Dear Christian with the one trick mind...Liberty and not the COLE.
I think you are the unloyal American.
And, do you have the slightest idea of what being bi-polar is? Regarding Israel being bad, look at the amount of countries where Islam is trying to take over countries, is warring with
part of the country, controls 22 countries with laws that reflect 6th Century thinking. That is why they don't do as much technology or creative invention, nor win Nobel Prizes. Additionally, Israel has made itself a productive country in spite of being surrounded by neighbors that have fought its existance since inception. Why do you only remember bits and pieces of what has really happened. Does it not enter your mind that if Gaza didn't start raining down on Israel with rockets, didn't blow up the synogoues, and destroy the greenhouses that Israel left when leaving Gaza that maybe peace could have had a chance. And if Gaza didn't spend all its money on aggression and teaching hate even to the degree of creating "educational" videos fo its people.(see MEMRI-TV, where amongst many videos you can see their releases for TV that include children of 3 and 4 saying Yehuds are evil and I want to kill them, or Mothers bragging about their suicide bombing martyrs and wanting more children so more can blow themselves up, or my favorite taken by an outsider where the "dead" man falls off the bier and the runs to catch up with the staged funeral) Note these movie productions cost money..cameras, etc. but they hae a big business in this, and have the money for it..but not for feeding their kids. The greenhouses were left fully operating with produce and flowers to sell to the Europeans (Israelis did this for income and sustanance). Just think, Gaza had a way out of poverty and they chose to blow up things. Additionally, they were given lots of money before (from the Western countries) and their leaders stuck it in their own bank accounts. That is the reason Hamas gained power, they were angry at their leaders..and of course Hamas ran on a platform that claimed it was going to run all the Jews into the sea or wipe it off the map or something like that. Don't blame Israel for its success and don't blame Israel for protecting itself and finally in 1967 taking the land areas that they were being attacked from. High areas, where riflemen sat and took shots at them. They, the Arab, Palestinians are hated even amongst the other Islamic countries..they do not really support them. Syria and Iran want them to fight the war against the US and Jews.
The rest of the countries ignore them and don't even want them in. Notice Israel takes in its people, from every nation...especially all the Jews that the Muslims have kicked out or abused for years...before Hitler (during those days Islam bedded with Naziism...and since then. Jordan was given territory for the Palestinians, the country became much larger, Gaza was Egypt and the West Bank even more of Jordan...they got lots of land and lots of potential..they chose war. I am sick and tired of hearing this garbage propaganda. I am a Christian and was born in Bethlehem...I lived the years of the formation of the country. Life under Muslim rule was not good...it was all about attacking Jews. I still visit yearly...but my parents moved into Israel..and they have a good life...the country is prospering and can practice Christianity with Muslims sitting in ther Church and having War meetings. They can shop where they want and have wonderful choices...Israel made that arrid land bloom.
Reza,

The USS Cole
Attack by RADICAL ISLAM
(Americas Enemy)...
VS
The USS Liberty
Attack by ISRAEL
(ally)?

You're not very smart if you can't see the difference!!!!!!!!!!

www.ussliberty.com

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#17 Oct 11, 2007
reza santorini wrote:
Dear Christian with the one trick mind...Liberty and not the COLE.
I think you are the unloyal American.
And, do you have the slightest idea of what being bi-polar is? Regarding Israel being bad, look at the amount of countries where Islam is trying to take over countries, is warring with
part of the country, controls 22 countries with laws that reflect 6th Century thinking. That is why they don't do as much technology or creative invention, nor win Nobel Prizes. Additionally, Israel has made itself a productive country in spite of being surrounded by neighbors that have fought its existance since inception. Why do you only remember bits and pieces of what has really happened. Does it not enter your mind that if Gaza didn't start raining down on Israel with rockets, didn't blow up the synogoues, and destroy the greenhouses that Israel left when leaving Gaza that maybe peace could have had a chance. And if Gaza didn't spend all its money on aggression and teaching hate even to the degree of creating "educational" videos fo its people.(see MEMRI-TV, where amongst many videos you can see their releases for TV that include children of 3 and 4 saying Yehuds are evil and I want to kill them, or Mothers bragging about their suicide bombing martyrs and wanting more children so more can blow themselves up, or my favorite taken by an outsider where the "dead" man falls off the bier and the runs to catch up with the staged funeral) Note these movie productions cost money..cameras, etc. but they hae a big business in this, and have the money for it..but not for feeding their kids. The greenhouses were left fully operating with produce and flowers to sell to the Europeans (Israelis did this for income and sustanance). Just think, Gaza had a way out of poverty and they chose to blow up things. Additionally, they were given lots of money before (from the Western countries) and their leaders stuck it in their own bank accounts. That is the reason Hamas gained power, they were angry at their leaders..and of course Hamas ran on a platform that claimed it was going to run all the Jews into the sea or wipe it off the map or something like that. Don't blame Israel for its success and don't blame Israel for protecting itself and finally in 1967 taking the land areas that they were being attacked from. High areas, where riflemen sat and took shots at them. They, the Arab, Palestinians are hated even amongst the other Islamic countries..they do not really support them. Syria and Iran want them to fight the war against the US and Jews.
The rest of the countries ignore them and don't even want them in. Notice Israel takes in its people, from every nation...especially all the Jews that the Muslims have kicked out or abused for years...before Hitler (during those days Islam bedded with Naziism...and since then. Jordan was given territory for the Palestinians, the country became much larger, Gaza was Egypt and the West Bank even more of Jordan...they got lots of land and lots of potential..they chose war. I am sick and tired of hearing this garbage propaganda. I am a Christian and was born in Bethlehem...I lived the years of the formation of the country. Life under Muslim rule was not good...it was all about attacking Jews. I still visit yearly...but my parents moved into Israel..and they have a good life...the country is prospering and can practice Christianity with Muslims sitting in ther Church and having War meetings. They can shop where they want and have wonderful choices...Israel made that arrid land bloom.
Reza,

USS COLE
Attacked by Radical Islam
(American Enemy)
VS
USS LIBERTY
Attacked by ISRAEL
(American Ally)

If you can see the difference between the two ATTACKS, then you are not a very smart person!
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#18 Oct 11, 2007
Why make so much a fuss over the few errors of Israel when Islam has so many Jihadists and destroyers of freedom all over the world. It seems to bother you when Israel or a Jew doesn't agree with you, but when Islamic propaganda is presented you just roll over and let them rub your stomach. Non Jewish errors are never acceptable .. Christian and Islamic can blame and retaliate and attack and it is acceptable. Attacks on Israel are okay...but attacks on non=Jews are always wrong. Todays rocket attack on Israel okay, after all they are just little bombs. What if I said the Liberty was just a little boat. I really don't believe that, but I was just applying your thinking. Israel is not our enemy, Islam is. If you go and read what they are saying in their papers, maybe you will begin to understand.

Since: Oct 07

Chicago, IL

#19 Oct 11, 2007
reza santorini wrote:
Why make so much a fuss over the few errors of Israel when Islam has so many Jihadists and destroyers of freedom all over the world. It seems to bother you when Israel or a Jew doesn't agree with you, but when Islamic propaganda is presented you just roll over and let them rub your stomach. Non Jewish errors are never acceptable .. Christian and Islamic can blame and retaliate and attack and it is acceptable. Attacks on Israel are okay...but attacks on non=Jews are always wrong. Todays rocket attack on Israel okay, after all they are just little bombs. What if I said the Liberty was just a little boat. I really don't believe that, but I was just applying your thinking. Israel is not our enemy, Islam is. If you go and read what they are saying in their papers, maybe you will begin to understand.
REZA,

AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN...Reza, this story is about The ISRAELI ATTACK on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967.

YOU keep trying to change the subject.

The USS Cole, The bombing of Canadians, etc. I don't care about what Israel has to deal with on a daily basis. They (Israel) wanted to live in an area of the world where JEWS are hated and those people want JEWS dead.

Why would they want to live surrounded by Arabs? Please don't tell me it's because it's the HOLYLAND.

Since Christ is no longer there, the only thing Holy about that place are the bullet holes and craters from your endless years of fighting.

It's about the LIBERTY...

www.ussliberty.com
reza santorini

Skokie, IL

#20 Oct 11, 2007
Ya know what...Christian, you are an idiot. Don't know where you were educated but it sure wasn't one where
someone developed your critical thinking skills, your empathy or your
belief in god.

Goodbye.

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