Voter ID could stop nearly 1 in 6 Pa. Latinos from voting

Sep 25, 2012 Full story: www.philly.com 318

AS MANY AS 52,000 of Pennsylvania's 323,000 eligible Latino voters could be stopped from voting on Election Day if the state's new voter-ID law isn't blocked, a Washington-based civil-rights organization said Monday.

The Advancement Project, which released a report Monday on the potential disenfranchisement of Latino voters nationwide, is one of several groups challenging the voter-ID law in state court.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#23 Sep 25, 2012
Crack Head wrote:
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No, preventing the 14-25 Million "ILLEGALS" from voting, is the INTENT!!!
If the laws only stop 100,000 "ILLEGALS" from voting, that is 100,000 CITIZENS VOTES, that are not cancelled out by 100,000 "ILLEGAL" VOTE!!!!
And yet you can't prove one single illegal has EVER voted. EVER.

If there was any proof, the Republicans would have submitted it in the Pennsylvania & South Carolina & Texas court cases. Instead they admitted UNDER OATH that they have ZERO evidence of voter fraud.

Lacking such evidence, the courts will view any ID requirements with suspicion, as they should.
BO HATES HIS JOB

Denver, CO

#24 Sep 25, 2012
Lonewolf wrote:
It's not that hard to obtain a picture I.D.,if some can't figure out a way to get one,they don't need to vote.
If you need a photo ID to get welfare or entitlements, you can get a photo ID to vote.

Barack hates his job so much, he depends on voter fraud to win.

It says a lot when Democrats oppose purging of dead voters and photo IDs.

FIRE BARACK and DEMOCRAT SENATORS 2O12.

GET THE WORD OUT. Elizabeth Warren, a lawyer, practiced without a law license in Massachusetts AND represented an abestos company against their employees. Democrats live in a bizarro world.

Keep American away from the bizarro world of Democrats, the like of Barack, Biden, Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren and Barack's bizarro voters like Mr. Bill here.

“Here we go!”

Since: Feb 07

Tampa, FL

#25 Sep 25, 2012

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#26 Sep 25, 2012
August wrote:
I've had to produce picture ID everytime I've voted. What is the big deal? I've had to do the same when I purchase something with my credit card, when I've applied for a loan, when a cop pulls me over, when I go to pick up my son from school, etc. Do I see any of this as racist? No. I see it as a matter of security and I'm grateful that such measures are in place. The only people griping about it, as far as i can see, are those who have something to hide.
Or maybe the MILLIONS of Americans who are citizens but don't have a state-approved photo ID?

Or maybe those same citizens who have voted for years and their citizenship has NEVER been in question?

So you have an ID, bully for you. The simple fact is that MILLIONS of American citizens DON'T have a state-approved photo ID. The ONLY reason for these laws is to attempt to prevent those citizens from exercising their right to vote, just because an overwhelming majority of them normally vote for the Dems.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#27 Sep 25, 2012
Eron wrote:
Oooh, so you managed to find 3 illegals who were charged with voter fraud.

A whole 3. Out of millions of votes.

Yeah, that justifies disenfranchising millions of legal citizens.
August

Belleview, FL

#28 Sep 25, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Or maybe the MILLIONS of Americans who are citizens but don't have a state-approved photo ID?
Or maybe those same citizens who have voted for years and their citizenship has NEVER been in question?
So you have an ID, bully for you. The simple fact is that MILLIONS of American citizens DON'T have a state-approved photo ID. The ONLY reason for these laws is to attempt to prevent those citizens from exercising their right to vote, just because an overwhelming majority of them normally vote for the Dems.
I bet all the welfare recipients have their ID's ready to cash those checks.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#29 Sep 25, 2012
August wrote:
<quoted text>
I bet all the welfare recipients have their ID's ready to cash those checks.
If they have IDs, then we're not talking about them. DUH!!!

This is about the MILLIONS of American citizens who do NOT have photo IDs.

Though I do appreciate your racist assumption that all minorities are on welfare. You've GOT to be a Republican!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#30 Sep 25, 2012
FYI, according to multiple govt surveys over that past 5 years, approximately 25% of blacks & 16% of hispanics don't have a photo ID, while only 8% of white don't.

90%+ of blacks vote for the Dems.
70%+ of hipanics vote for the Dems.
45% of whites vote for the Dems.

Gee, I wonder why the GOPasaurs are pushing photo ID laws.........
BO HATES HIS JOB

Orange, CA

#31 Sep 25, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
FYI, according to multiple govt surveys over that past 5 years, approximately 25% of blacks & 16% of hispanics don't have a photo ID, while only 8% of white don't.
90%+ of blacks vote for the Dems.
70%+ of hipanics vote for the Dems.
45% of whites vote for the Dems.
Gee, I wonder why the GOPasaurs are pushing photo ID laws.........
Then they should get their behinds going and get their photo IDs if they want to vote. State will go to their home for chrissakes to give them ID. I don't know how much else you can do help. We're not going to run a slip shod voter election to please the lazy.

Why also bother getting photo IDs when the law says no ID required. The percentages you gave are blacks, hispanis and whites who don't vote, or are hiding welfare fraud and want to avoid state visits, which is why they don't make the effort. No one has to make an exception and allow voter fraud without just to please the % WHO DON'T BOTHER.

You bellyache too much about the lazy.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#32 Sep 26, 2012
Ann wrote:
The truth is no one will be turned away at the poll. A person can vote if they don't have their identification with them. Then they have some time to provide it. If you can't get to PENDOT to get your ID the state will get you there. If your in such a situation let the state know. People must take responsibility for themselves and what they need.
Come on! Your joking, you want people to take responsibility for themselves in America, never happen, why do you think they voted for obama.

“Here we go!”

Since: Feb 07

Tampa, FL

#33 Sep 26, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Oooh, so you managed to find 3 illegals who were charged with voter fraud.
A whole 3. Out of millions of votes.
Yeah, that justifies disenfranchising millions of legal citizens.
That's not what you asked. You asked for ANY proof. Just in that list there are more than three... hell just Google 'voter fraud convictions'.
August

Belleview, FL

#34 Sep 26, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Though I do appreciate your racist assumption that all minorities are on welfare. You've GOT to be a Republican!
I said nothing about minorities. But by accusing me of racism your own is shining like a beacon in the night. Good job!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#35 Sep 26, 2012
Eron wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not what you asked. You asked for ANY proof. Just in that list there are more than three... hell just Google 'voter fraud convictions'.
No, I never said there was no voter fraud; no system is perfect.

I was responding to a moron who claimed 100,000+ illegals had voted, so I asked for proof of that.

I'm sure 3 or 4 illegals have voted, as well as a few dead people, as well as a few underage kids, and a few who have voted twice, etc.

If there is so much evidence of widespread voter fraud, then why couldn't the GOP produce such evidence in court in Texas, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, etc?

Hint- it would have to stand up to legal scrutiny and be applicable to the case at hand.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#37 Sep 26, 2012
BO HATES HIS JOB wrote:
<quoted text>
Then they should get their behinds going and get their photo IDs if they want to vote. State will go to their home for chrissakes to give them ID. I don't know how much else you can do help. We're not going to run a slip shod voter election to please the lazy.
Why also bother getting photo IDs when the law says no ID required. The percentages you gave are blacks, hispanis and whites who don't vote, or are hiding welfare fraud and want to avoid state visits, which is why they don't make the effort. No one has to make an exception and allow voter fraud without just to please the % WHO DON'T BOTHER.
You bellyache too much about the lazy.
No, the percentages I gave were from government studies of people who don't have photo IDs, regardless of the reason why.

These laws were passed with the sole intent to suppress the vote among likely democratic voters.

But in the end the intent won't matter as much as the EFFECT of the law. If the EFFECT is that minorities are disproportionately affected by voter ID laws - FOR WHATEVER REASON- the courts are going to look at it very closely.

The Voting Rights Act was passed to enusre historically discriminated against minorities aren't disproportionately affected by any voting law, regardless of the intent.

That being the case, I predict the Pennsylvania & South Carolina laws will be struck down, just as the Texas ID law was.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#38 Sep 26, 2012
August wrote:
<quoted text>
I said nothing about minorities. But by accusing me of racism your own is shining like a beacon in the night. Good job!
You're right, I confused your statement with another. My bad.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#39 Sep 26, 2012
Tracker wrote:
So 1 out of 6 latinos who didn't have proper ID voted the last election? Who knows whether they were legal or not. At least now any latinos who don't have proper ID won't be voting and that will includes all the illegal azzed latinos who voted illegally last time.
Who knows if you are legal or not?

Go back to where you acme from, you illegal.
And shut the front door behind you.

You cannot make any more comments here until you show me YOUR ID.

“Here we go!”

Since: Feb 07

Tampa, FL

#40 Sep 26, 2012
I understand that. But if you think there are just isolated incidents here and there of general voter fraud (all voter fraud, not just illegals voting) we are gonna disagree.

I have thought for a long time that the government needs a top down, bottom up reorganization. You being a conservative as you say should agree.

What is brought up in every election cycle- 1) Social Welfare programs; 2) Taxes; 3) Foreign Policy. There are periphereal topics brought up, but IMHO, they all fall into one of those three categories. so, let's go through them briefly.

Social Welfare- IMHO, there are always going to be 4%-5% of the population that can't or won't work. We have 70+ years of precedence in providing for these people. So a social safety net at this point is going to stay. That doesn’t mean that the programs don’t need to be reorganized, streamlined and incentivized (as in incentivizing people to move off of welfare and go to work).

Taxes- It’s not going to matter if you tax the wealthy at 75% of their income. Revenues to the government will drop drastically as happened in the 70s when the top bracket was at 78%. That doesn’t enable the government to effectively manage the programs that they need to. I haven’t heard anyone on either side seriously talk about rewriting the tax code; unless that happens, the wealthy are going to park their money in untouchable places. If someone were to sit down and seriously figure it out, you wouldn’t need to raise taxes- on anyone. The IRS could be reorganized and pared down.

Foreign Policy- Ours stinks. After WWI, world leadership shifted from Britain to the US. A lot has happened between then and now, but the question you have to ask yourself is do you want the US to lose her status as the World’s leader.‘Talk softly; carry a big stick’ and ‘trust but verify’ are not bad policies. You can’t just withdraw from the world stage, because you can’t legislate human nature. We had a reputation through the 90s of protecting countries that were attacked overtly, and we helped many others either covertly or overtly.

Radical, organizational (not Constitutional) change is needed in the way the US conducts the business of government. Human Resources are the most important asset our government has. Political hacks and cronies have no business in government. If you want to conduct the business of government, you need people who are willing to SERVE (yes, I believe that government employment is SERVICE); people who can come in and restructure and reorganize the government with the end state being a lean, process oriented type of government that people can depend on to do their business. These people are going to have to come from the private sector.

My opinion…
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I never said there was no voter fraud; no system is perfect.
I was responding to a moron who claimed 100,000+ illegals had voted, so I asked for proof of that.
I'm sure 3 or 4 illegals have voted, as well as a few dead people, as well as a few underage kids, and a few who have voted twice, etc.
If there is so much evidence of widespread voter fraud, then why couldn't the GOP produce such evidence in court in Texas, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, etc?
Hint- it would have to stand up to legal scrutiny and be applicable to the case at hand.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#41 Sep 26, 2012
Eron wrote:
I understand that. But if you think there are just isolated incidents here and there of general voter fraud (all voter fraud, not just illegals voting) we are gonna disagree.
I have thought for a long time that the government needs a top down, bottom up reorganization. You being a conservative as you say should agree.
What is brought up in every election cycle- 1) Social Welfare programs; 2) Taxes; 3) Foreign Policy. There are periphereal topics brought up, but IMHO, they all fall into one of those three categories. so, let's go through them briefly.
Social Welfare- IMHO, there are always going to be 4%-5% of the population that can't or won't work. We have 70+ years of precedence in providing for these people. So a social safety net at this point is going to stay. That doesn’t mean that the programs don’t need to be reorganized, streamlined and incentivized (as in incentivizing people to move off of welfare and go to work).
Taxes- It’s not going to matter if you tax the wealthy at 75% of their income. Revenues to the government will drop drastically as happened in the 70s when the top bracket was at 78%. That doesn’t enable the government to effectively manage the programs that they need to. I haven’t heard anyone on either side seriously talk about rewriting the tax code; unless that happens, the wealthy are going to park their money in untouchable places. If someone were to sit down and seriously figure it out, you wouldn’t need to raise taxes- on anyone. The IRS could be reorganized and pared down.
Foreign Policy- Ours stinks. After WWI, world leadership shifted from Britain to the US. A lot has happened between then and now, but the question you have to ask yourself is do you want the US to lose her status as the World’s leader.‘Talk softly; carry a big stick’ and ‘trust but verify’ are not bad policies. You can’t just withdraw from the world stage, because you can’t legislate human nature. We had a reputation through the 90s of protecting countries that were attacked overtly, and we helped many others either covertly or overtly.
Radical, organizational (not Constitutional) change is needed in the way the US conducts the business of government. Human Resources are the most important asset our government has. Political hacks and cronies have no business in government. If you want to conduct the business of government, you need people who are willing to SERVE (yes, I believe that government employment is SERVICE); people who can come in and restructure and reorganize the government with the end state being a lean, process oriented type of government that people can depend on to do their business. These people are going to have to come from the private sector.
My opinion…
<quoted text>
Except for the voter fraud part, I'd have to agree completely.

Of course the problem is NO ONE is willing to give up their piece of the pie; it's always "take it away from the other guy".

With the current partisan atmosphere, the only way I see any significant change is through contitutional changes. That way the politicians have the policital cover to do what needs to be done.

Obviously they don't have the COURAGE to do what needs to be done.

We need to cut spending, raise revenue, and pay off the national debt. One way or another it's gonna happen or our country collapses economically, then socially & every other way.

Right now NEITHER side is doing anything substantial to address that; they can't.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#42 Sep 26, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I never said there was no voter fraud; no system is perfect.
I was responding to a moron who claimed 100,000+ illegals had voted, so I asked for proof of that.
I'm sure 3 or 4 illegals have voted, as well as a few dead people, as well as a few underage kids, and a few who have voted twice, etc.
If there is so much evidence of widespread voter fraud, then why couldn't the GOP produce such evidence in court in Texas, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, etc?
Hint- it would have to stand up to legal scrutiny and be applicable to the case at hand.
I have known a few illegals over the years; and I cannot imagine any of them taking the risk of voting.

That would be like Odysseus making a Bronx Cheer at the Cyclops.

They don't even get drivers licences, don't open the door for anyone, unless expected, and fear such threats as jury notices as sure deportation threats.

Illegal aliens voting?
Not F'ing likely.

“Here we go!”

Since: Feb 07

Tampa, FL

#43 Sep 26, 2012
The only Constitutional change I would agree with would be term limits.

Leaving it up to the Congress to effect change is never going to happen. We need a plurality of State Governors to call a Constituional Convention to hash some of these things out.

But again, courage...

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