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Board OKs Malaekahana development - Hawaii News

There are 100 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Aug 2, 2009, titled Board OKs Malaekahana development - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Laie resident Uilani Pualoa said she's for affordable housing but is skeptical about a proposed 1,200-home development on pastureland at Malaekahana supported by Brigham Young University-Hawaii. "What about us, those born and raised here?" Pualoa asked a crowd of more than 300 people during Thursday's Koolauloa Neighborhood Board meeting in Laie.

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Close HTA

Honolulu, HI

#1 Aug 2, 2009
"Five who voted to approve the recommendation declaring they worked or had worked for the university, Hawaii Reserves or the Polynesian Cultural Center".

How unethical can these folks be? Obvious conflict of interest. This vote is illegal and probably will be overturned.
Laie Born

Dallas, TX

#2 Aug 2, 2009
"An area previously designated for housing mauka of the university would be shifted to the Malaekahana site, with 300 of the 1,200 homes for faculty and students."

There goes the neighborhood. You can kiss the rest of the North Shore goodbye too.

"Affordable housing" is the new magic wand to change zoning, overbuild, and make it sound palatable to do so.
Close HTA

Honolulu, HI

#3 Aug 2, 2009
How crazy is it when you are voting on your bosses project? These folks have no business voting on this if they are still on the payroll. AUWE!
SHIBAI PLAN

Honolulu, HI

#4 Aug 2, 2009
Did you see how the Hawaii Reserves worker so-called Kupuna Kela Miller tried to ramrod the motion to support Envision Laie through?

Richard Fale, Junior Primacio wanted to cut off the meeting so they can vote for Laie Envision already!

Richard Fale, Junior Primacio Did not want to allow 21 others who wanted to share their views until Board member from Kaaawa Letts and Punalu'u Mattoon protested.

Laie Envision has not been presented to any neighboring community yet. They just have a few LAie meetings where they served food and they say they have the support already.

Kela Miller, Les Steward, Norman Kaluhio.John Elkington, Richard Fale all were forced to disclose their conflict of interest.They work for PCC, BYU or Hawaii Reserves.

Those in yellow shirts were mainly employees of Hawaii Reserves, Polynesian Cultural Center or Brigham Young University or haole missionaries from the Mainland.

Considering the population of Laie is about 7,000 to 8,000 300 of its employees is less than 5%. The stacked Hawaii Reserves Neighborhood Board was voted in by about 6% of the community. This smells like dirty politics to the max.

Plenty more to expose..... later.
SHIBAI PLAN

Honolulu, HI

#5 Aug 2, 2009
You can see the other side of the Laie story at
http://www.IndependentKamaaina.blogspot.com It opens a window to Laie plantation. I find it educational.

The Honolulu City Council should take note.

Interesting how Hawaii Reserves Eric Beaver refuses to give a specific price for affordable housing because he said he doesn't know. Now he's saying they are going to adjust the price.

Come clean and tell the truth. Hawaii Reserves lures community support by dangling 'affordable housing' in front of Laie. What guaranty is there that Laie residents can actually afford if Hawaii Reserves is allowed to build a new community in Kahuku.

What is affordable price?

Is it leasehold or fee?

Who is going to get it?

How much is the market-price homes?

Plenty more to expose....
SHIBAI PLAN

Honolulu, HI

#6 Aug 2, 2009
Found this from http://www.IndependentKamaaina.blogspot.com

Anonymous I want my $100 too. said...

I don't want to say that lots of money is wasted for professional consultants but it looks like it. Sorry. The weird thing about people in Laie is also they always have two stories to tell you. One for the public and one for between you and I. Which story they tell for $100 price?

I like this survey better because it's more open - it covers more topics and pilikia that make Laie unique. It tells it for what it is even though not everything is pretty.

I also like the fact that you don't have to answer every question. The HRI survey is too cold and rigid as it guides you where it wants you to go :=) Sneaky. Sneaky but I think everybody knows the games consultants play. I can't believe they bribe people with $100 Doesn't sound right. Sounds insulting.

June 4, 2009 5:06 PM
SHIBAI PLAN

Honolulu, HI

#7 Aug 2, 2009

Found this from http://www.IndependentKamaaina.blogspot.com



July 28, 2009 3:17 PM
Anonymous Public School Teacher said...

I'm a public school teacher and I

am insulted that Hawaii Reserves

Envision Lai'e implies it needs to

develop Malaekahana because the

children has the lowest reading

and writing scores.

Say that again?

This is stupid.

Public school teachers cannot do

everything.

Family is what makes the

difference.

You don't need a fancy school to

get good grades.

Laie Envision needs to come up

with a better excuse to get

thinking people to support their

Envsion Lai'e development.

July 28, 2009 8:49 PM
Anonymous Laie Chameleon said...

Some people in Laie never learn. Last year HRI announced it was canceling its development for 'workforce' housing after so much talk and presentations. This year they come up with Laie Envision but dropped the 'workforce' housing lingo. Hawaii Reserves is one good chameleon. There will always be suckers in this world. The Laie Community Association tops the list.

July 29, 2009 1:05 PM
Anonymous HRI's PUPPETS said...

Koolauloa Neighborhood Board election results

The following were elected or re-elected to two-year terms on the Koolauloa Neighborhood Board during recent first-ever Internet-based polling:

* Jimmy Leonardi (Kahuku)Turtle Bay Supporter
* Junior Primacio (Kahuku)Turtle Bay Resort "
* John Elkington (Laie) BYU
* Norman Kaluhiokalani (Laie)BYU
* Kela Miller (Laie) HRI
* Les Steward (Laie) PCC
* Richard Fale (Hauula)LDS -BYU-PCC ex-worker
* Moana Kalua'(Hauula)HRI
* Dotty Kelly-Paddock (Hauula)
* Creighton Mattoon (Punaluu) Independent
* Dee Dee Letts (Kaaawa) Independent

Neighborhood boards, which are geographically distributed throughout Oahu, are designed to advise City and County of Honolulu and other government units. Those without Internet access were encouraged to use computers at public libraries and were also given a phone number to call; however, City officials have reported only 6.5 percent of eligible voters cast ballots in this election.

July 30, 2009 12:46 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should we keep supporting HRI in their development? We always end up getting burnt. They wanted to sewer Laie so they can develop and we end up with higher and higher sewer fees. HRI forced us to connect or they say it will be too much later on. Now what? Hawaii Reserves charges so expensive lease at the Shopping center. HRI fight for every penny every time we have a quarrel with bills or leases or cemetery services. Do we expect HRI to give us Laie people a break? NO.

Northshore Fan

San Diego, CA

#8 Aug 2, 2009
Shibai Plan, you obviously harbor significant anger towards the university, Hawaii Reserves and the Polynesian Cultural Center.

I would rather allow them to include their plans then watch their every step as they proceed with the permitting process.

Let's think glass half full rather than raise all the innuendos that are too ofter exagerations or lies.
SHIBAI PLAN

Honolulu, HI

#9 Aug 2, 2009
This good. Found this from http://www.IndependentKamaaina.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

LOL! Too funny!

For $100 I give you permission to build waikiki at Malaekahana!


Anonymous BYU School of Business said...

Sign me up! For a $100 stipend I will wear a yellow shirt, raise my hand and vote. I will support HRI's (Envision Laie) project any where in Oahu where they have land. If it is the outer islands, it will be $200.

Flexo

Kula, HI

#10 Aug 2, 2009
If they need 300 homes for employees and students, then build 300, not 1200. And build it in a less bothersome place, like on land that has alrady been developed.
I'm afraid the "affordable" price will be in the eyes of the beholder. And this probably give a chance for church members in Utah to have a 2nd home in Hawaii.
Pity the surrounding areas if this goes through. Getting in and out of the area will be just as bad as Ewa not matter how many traffic improvements are made within the area.
Kuleana

Pearl City, HI

#11 Aug 2, 2009
Flexo wrote:
If they need 300 homes for employees and students, then build 300, not 1200. And build it in a less bothersome place, like on land that has alrady been developed.
I'm afraid the "affordable" price will be in the eyes of the beholder. And this probably give a chance for church members in Utah to have a 2nd home in Hawaii.
Pity the surrounding areas if this goes through. Getting in and out of the area will be just as bad as Ewa not matter how many traffic improvements are made within the area.
And THAT'S exactly what they REALLY want...and of course lil moa for some profit!
Camper

Honolulu, HI

#12 Aug 2, 2009
Laura Thielen where are you and DLNR? This will destroy the outdoor experience of camping at Malaekahana if it is in the middle of a new city. Lose more money for the State.

You should be giving input against this development scam plan. Especially since you are always crying about no mo money. Well what do you think will happen when they put all this in? Where we gonna camp now? Ewa? Waikiki?
Thoughts

Honolulu, HI

#13 Aug 2, 2009
BYU, follow the example of the military and replace the housing built on the 50's and 60's on the SAME LAND as the present housing. I wouldn't give another inch of land; I think they can make do with the land they have and find spots to build rather than expand out and turn yet more nature land, pasture, wooded areas into concrete jungles.
As for the board approval, if I lived in the area I'd file a grievance complaint b/c of conflict of interest with some of the board members. Wolves in sheep's clothing......Laiea citizens, be careful.

“Live Love Laugh.. and Surf! :)”

Since: Aug 08

Kaimuki,Hilo,Ka'u, Kaupo

#14 Aug 2, 2009
Highest and best use of the land? It seems to exclude the public from benefiting and instead benefits the church and its members.

“Live Love Laugh.. and Surf! :)”

Since: Aug 08

Kaimuki,Hilo,Ka'u, Kaupo

#16 Aug 2, 2009
Close HTA wrote:
"Five who voted to approve the recommendation declaring they worked or had worked for the university, Hawaii Reserves or the Polynesian Cultural Center".
How unethical can these folks be? Obvious conflict of interest. This vote is illegal and probably will be overturned.
It's clear that it is a conflict of interest.

Unfortunately in Hawai'i there are alot of shady deals so this is typical.
Been There

Mililani, HI

#17 Aug 2, 2009
SHIBAI PLAN wrote:
Found this from http://www.IndependentKamaaina.blogspot.com
Anonymous I want my $100 too. said...
I don't want to say that lots of money is wasted for professional consultants but it looks like it. Sorry. The weird thing about people in Laie is also they always have two stories to tell you. One for the public and one for between you and I. Which story they tell for $100 price?
I like this survey better because it's more open - it covers more topics and pilikia that make Laie unique. It tells it for what it is even though not everything is pretty.
I also like the fact that you don't have to answer every question. The HRI survey is too cold and rigid as it guides you where it wants you to go :=) Sneaky. Sneaky but I think everybody knows the games consultants play. I can't believe they bribe people with $100 Doesn't sound right. Sounds insulting.
June 4, 2009 5:06 PM
Consultants are required as part of the process, but naturally much of what they present will be biased in favor of the client who is paying them. Anything produced by the consultant is vetted thoroughly by the client, and they generally have the final say as to what goes out. Consultants can't outright lie or intentionally deceive without risking themselves to legal or professional penalties, but as we all know, there many ways to manipulate or slant information for one's own benefit.

In that respect, consultants are sort of guns-for-hire, and it sucks if something you're paid to "support" goes against your inner conscience. Lawyers probably face the same dilemma... except they have no conscience. They're just worried whether they'll get paid or not.
Realist

Waianae, HI

#18 Aug 2, 2009
Dr. Evil asks somewhat anxiously and furtively,"But will it be an evil development?"
Concerned

Honolulu, HI

#19 Aug 2, 2009
Hawaii Revised Statutes Chapter 84 of the State Ethics Code

84-14 Conflicts of interests.(a) No employee shall take any official action directly affecting:
(1) A business or other undertaking in which he has a substantial financial interest;
Surrealibs

Mililani, HI

#20 Aug 2, 2009
Realist wrote:
Dr. Evil asks somewhat anxiously and furtively,"But will it be an evil development?"
From what the mailman told me, you're more like "Mini Me."
Hmmm

Mililani, HI

#21 Aug 2, 2009
-Lana- wrote:
Highest and best use of the land? It seems to exclude the public from benefiting and instead benefits the church and its members.
Is the property public or private?

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