Gathering Place: Pro-smoking campaign

Gathering Place: Pro-smoking campaign

There are 358 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Jul 31, 2008, titled Gathering Place: Pro-smoking campaign. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

In recent months it has been reported that Hawaii visitor arrivals have fallen 7 to 10 percent during the last year alone.

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Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#317 Aug 9, 2008
Free_America wrote:
<quoted text>Aircraft are equipped with environmental control systems (ECS) that are designed to maintain a safe, healthful, and comfortable environment for passengers and crew. The ECS regulates cabin pressure, ventilation, temperature, and humidity control. FAA established design and operational specifications for commercial aircraft as codified in the Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs). There are regulations for levels of ozone (O3), carbon monoxide (CO), carbon dioxide (CO2), ventilation rates, and cabin pressure.
The committee concluded that when the ECS is operated as specified by the manufacturer, it should provide an ample supply of air to pressurize the cabin, meet general comfort conditions, and dilute or otherwise reduce normally occurring odors, heat, and contaminants. The current FAA ventilation design standard of 0.55 pounds of outside air per minute per occupant is less than one-half to two-thirds the ventilation standard recommended by the American Society of Heating, Refrigerating, and Air Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE) for building environments. The committee did not determine whether the building ventilation standard is appropriate for the aircraft cabin environment.
http://www7.nationalacademies.org/ocga/testim...
As soon as you can figure out how to get a building to fly then the second half will be relevant. The first half is just fact and is the way all passenger aircraft are flown. To think that a pilot would actually do something to help save the company money simply shows you don't know any pilots.

Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#318 Aug 9, 2008
This is just out of curiosity. Do the smokers rights advocates cringe each time someone wins a lawsuit against a tobacco company.

Since: Mar 08

Louisville, KY

#319 Aug 9, 2008
Kahukuan wrote:
Kenji Teen Advocate: I agree with your comment. Relax people, this issue will always become a heated discussion because everyone has a right to their choosing. I am a former smoker but realized that I gained nothing in smoking and that was my choice. WARNING; Smoking May Be Hazardous To Your Health printed on each pack of cigarette. Something must be wrong but yet, it's still being sold and being bought at a high price. People's attitude: nothing will happen to me and I'll keep on smoking. Yul Brynner, Actor, in Oct 1985 knew he was dying of lung cancer and recorded a dramatic public service announcement to be aired on TV after his death that blamed the illness on smoking. This announcement was a rude awakening for all smokers and non-smokers because he looked pretty bad prior to passing. Once again, people forgot about that announcement and continued to smoke because that will not happen to smokers. I try to avoid SHS as much as possible and it really gets to me at times especially when I spend some time in the casinos. It really makes a difference when I'm in an area with a lot of smokers. I do make a choice to leave when the smoke gets to me. Smokers have rights and it doesn't bother me for people to smoke as long as they have the courtesy to blow the smoke away from me. I still can't understand why anyone would continue smoking especially when it causes; Bad Odor (body, clothes, hair, breath. Expensive, Causes cancer of the mouth, throat, and lung. Emphysema (slow death), Nicotine Addiction. I would like to hear of a few good reasons why smoking is good and maybe I will be able to gain some knowledge about smoking. Continue to respect smokers of their rights and non-smokers of their health and well being. I really think calling people names and getting upset over SHS should be overlooked. Keep your cool! Aloha!
You are the most reasonable non-smoker in this forum. I am pro-smoking simply because I smoke. I started researching Smoking and SHS back in 1998 because my Daughter had a slight Asthma problem when she played Volleyball and she had been told it was from living around a smoker. I stopped smoking in the house. I will never suggest anyone start smoking. I will also, because of my research findings, not say smoking or SHS kills. Even now, with all the studies, there is no positive proof. The EPA report has been proven a fraud along with the Surgeon Generals report. Neither did their own studies but cheery picked studies to back their anti smoking agenda. Smoking has, since the EPA report, been added to the carcinogenic table in 2004 and also as a possible cause of Asthma although they still admit they don't know the cause. My Daughter no longer has Asthma. It was termed Athlete's Asthma caused by over exertion.
It's good to find reasonable non/smoker.

Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#320 Aug 9, 2008
Free_America wrote:
<quoted text>Aircraft are equipped with environmental control systems (ECS) that are designed to maintain a safe, healthful, and comfortable environment for passengers and crew. The ECS regulates cabin pressure, ventilation, temperature, and humidity control. FAA established design and operational specifications for commercial aircraft as codified in the Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs). There are regulations for levels of ozone (O3), carbon monoxide (CO), carbon dioxide (CO2), ventilation rates, and cabin pressure.
The committee concluded that when the ECS is operated as specified by the manufacturer, it should provide an ample supply of air to pressurize the cabin, meet general comfort conditions, and dilute or otherwise reduce normally occurring odors, heat, and contaminants. The current FAA ventilation design standard of 0.55 pounds of outside air per minute per occupant is less than one-half to two-thirds the ventilation standard recommended by the American Society of Heating, Refrigerating, and Air Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE) for building environments. The committee did not determine whether the building ventilation standard is appropriate for the aircraft cabin environment.
http://www7.nationalacademies.org/ocga/testim...
Don't think that I didn't enjoy the irony of you using an "Anti's" testimony to defend your point.

Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#321 Aug 9, 2008
Sorry, maybe not an "anti" but a scientist the California "anti's" use to defend their points. You can find out all about his studies with a short google search.

Since: Mar 08

Louisville, KY

#322 Aug 9, 2008
Kahukuan wrote:
<quoted text>
You will be a rich man because you won't be going to many places that is "No Smoking" and to name a few: All federal buildings (post office,immigration, social security, VA), state and county buildings, hospitals, schools, Travel:(Planes, Buses, Trains), Museums and many more places that require no smoking. Good luck in making your choices. Aloha!
I believe most of those mentioned were no smoking before bans were the rage. Most every business except Bars, restaurants and gambling places were also non-smoking before bans. The ACS/RWJF are just closing the last places open to smokers. They will now start on the Fattie's and the Drinkers. When they get control of the Nicotine market, the diet market and the anti-booze pill they are pushing now. They will effectively killed the Hospitality industry. I guess the funny thing is that the non-smokers and the Anti's are going to be, as they are now,paying for all these bans.

Since: Mar 08

Louisville, KY

#323 Aug 9, 2008
Clancy wrote:
Sorry, maybe not an "anti" but a scientist the California "anti's" use to defend their points. You can find out all about his studies with a short google search.
If you are talking about Stanton Glantz, he is a mechanical PHD and not a scientists, although he loves to call himself a Doctor. He works for the RWJF and turns out some of the most junk science the ACS and other alphabet agencies use as their proof of SHS being a health threat. He is very rich now.
Pro Choice

Marietta, GA

#324 Aug 9, 2008
We are losing more of our freedoms every day. You just think "I don't smoke, so let's pass all these bans and rediculous taxes on them"... You just wait. Those anti-choice people are going to come after something you enjoy one day.

Since: Aug 08

Golden Valley,Az.

#325 Aug 9, 2008
Pro Choice wrote:
We are losing more of our freedoms every day. You just think "I don't smoke, so let's pass all these bans and rediculous taxes on them"... You just wait. Those anti-choice people are going to come after something you enjoy one day.
Quicker than most people think.
who is doing what

United States

#326 Aug 9, 2008
enufalready wrote:
Scofflaws unite! Exposing workers to toxic smoke may make for big profits for business owners, but the process should not be cast as a rights issue for the owners and the smokers. Pitiful is the word to describe the gaggle of addicts defying laws passed to regulate a poison gas that most of us have the common sense to avoid.
as if your air is so clean there, how do you avoid your pollution?

“KISS THIS SMOKERS BUTT”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#327 Aug 9, 2008
Clancy wrote:
This is just out of curiosity. Do the smokers rights advocates cringe each time someone wins a lawsuit against a tobacco company.
No, but there are a few things that cause me to giggle such as the fired X SG Carmona working in a health spa and the non medical mechanical engineer Stanton Glantz is a hoot. these really make me howl with laughter
A world-famous British scientist failed to disclose that he held a paid consultancy with a chemical company for more than 20 years while investigating cancer risks in the industry, the Guardian can reveal.

Sir Richard Doll, the celebrated epidemiologist who established that smoking causes lung cancer, was receiving a consultancy fee of $1,500 a day in the mid-1980s from Monsanto, then a major chemical company and now better known for its GM crops business.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/dec/08...
http://www.pipes.org/Articles/Bliley.html

And if you really want me to ROTFL, just mention that there have been many smoking bans in history and not one has survived as the current ones will also do.

Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#328 Aug 9, 2008
virgilK wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are talking about Stanton Glantz, he is a mechanical PHD and not a scientists, although he loves to call himself a Doctor. He works for the RWJF and turns out some of the most junk science the ACS and other alphabet agencies use as their proof of SHS being a health threat. He is very rich now.
Are you a complete idiot? Seriously maybe a doctor should check you out. Who is Stanton Glantz, no one has even mentioned him. The testimony was from William W. Nazaroff. I am pretty sure you are not the strongest spokesman for the smoking movement.

Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#329 Aug 9, 2008
VirgilK did you check the link that Free_America posted? I would have to guess you did not.

“KISS THIS SMOKERS BUTT”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#330 Aug 9, 2008
Clancy wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a complete idiot? Seriously maybe a doctor should check you out. Who is Stanton Glantz, no one has even mentioned him. The testimony was from William W. Nazaroff. I am pretty sure you are not the strongest spokesman for the smoking movement.
to have an ounce of smarts, do your homework tonight and maybe you will learn something

Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#331 Aug 9, 2008
Clancy wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't think that I didn't enjoy the irony of you using an "Anti's" testimony to defend your point.
This is the post I was remarking about. Did only Free_america and myself read this?

Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#332 Aug 9, 2008
u cannot own me wrote:
<quoted text>
to have an ounce of smarts, do your homework tonight and maybe you will learn something
That doesn't even make sense. Pudding time!!!

Since: Jul 07

Cincinnati, OH

#333 Aug 9, 2008
u cannot own me wrote:
<quoted text>
No, but there are a few things that cause me to giggle such as the fired X SG Carmona working in a health spa and the non medical mechanical engineer Stanton Glantz is a hoot. these really make me howl with laughter
A world-famous British scientist failed to disclose that he held a paid consultancy with a chemical company for more than 20 years while investigating cancer risks in the industry, the Guardian can reveal.
Sir Richard Doll, the celebrated epidemiologist who established that smoking causes lung cancer, was receiving a consultancy fee of $1,500 a day in the mid-1980s from Monsanto, then a major chemical company and now better known for its GM crops business.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/dec/08...
http://www.pipes.org/Articles/Bliley.html
And if you really want me to ROTFL, just mention that there have been many smoking bans in history and not one has survived as the current ones will also do.
Do you just cut, paste, type and send, or do you actually read this crap??

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#334 Aug 9, 2008
Clancy wrote:
This is just out of curiosity. Do the smokers rights advocates cringe each time someone wins a lawsuit against a tobacco company.
Nope do anti-smokers cringe every time they hear that their junk science wouldn't be allowed in court and that there has never been a successful second hand smoke lawsuit against the tobacco company?

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#335 Aug 9, 2008
Clancy wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a complete idiot? Seriously maybe a doctor should check you out. Who is Stanton Glantz, no one has even mentioned him. The testimony was from William W. Nazaroff. I am pretty sure you are not the strongest spokesman for the smoking movement.
If you don't know who Stanton Glantz is you have never done any research.

“KISS THIS SMOKERS BUTT”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#336 Aug 10, 2008
Clancy wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you just cut, paste, type and send, or do you actually read this crap??
Sure do, quite informative of all the smoking bans for profit and how they fool the public into the scared mode. RWJF set up by J&J who profits from smoking cessation products funds the bans via the ACS, ALA, & AHA.

YEP, I read and follow the money trail

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