The Shame and Betrayal of Maine's New England Values

[Amber Waves]

I don't feel the state of Maine should be condemned
because of a majority vote. Gays still have more rights in America than other countries.
Comparing themselves to holocaust victims is a bit extreme, don't you think?
I am gay, and I do believe gays should have all freedoms America represents. Illegal aliens are
put before the rights of our country's own citizens. Barack Obama is more concerned with the destruction of America. He does not care about gays, or American citizens. The battle for gay rights in America is a long, slow process. Where are the great liberal politicians who promised everything when the vote was needed?

[Reason]

Amber Waves wrote:

I don't feel the state of Maine should be condemned
because of a majority vote. Gays still have more rights in America than other countries.
Comparing themselves to holocaust victims is a bit extreme, don't you think?
I am gay, and I do believe gays should have all freedoms America represents. Illegal aliens are
put before the rights of our country's own citizens. Barack Obama is more concerned with the destruction of America. He does not care about gays, or American citizens. The battle for gay rights in America is a long, slow process. Where are the great liberal politicians who promised everything when the vote was needed?

Gays WERE victims of the Holocaust! Victims only in smaller numbers because there were smaller numbers of them, or they were able to hide long enough to escape.

[Curteese]

Amber Waves wrote:

I don't feel the state of Maine should be condemned
because of a majority vote. Gays still have more rights in America than other countries.
Comparing themselves to holocaust victims is a bit extreme, don't you think?
I am gay, and I do believe gays should have all freedoms America represents. Illegal aliens are
put before the rights of our country's own citizens. Barack Obama is more concerned with the destruction of America. He does not care about gays, or American citizens. The battle for gay rights in America is a long, slow process. Where are the great liberal politicians who promised everything when the vote was needed?

REad the post directly above yours. What are you blabbering about? The gays were CRUSHED during the holocaust. They were treated worse than the jews, if that is possible. Study your history before speaking.

[Josh in New Orleans]

Amber Waves wrote:

I don't feel the state of Maine should be condemned
because of a majority vote. Gays still have more rights in America than other countries.
Comparing themselves to holocaust victims is a bit extreme, don't you think?
I am gay, and I do believe gays should have all freedoms America represents. Illegal aliens are
put before the rights of our country's own citizens. Barack Obama is more concerned with the destruction of America. He does not care about gays, or American citizens. The battle for gay rights in America is a long, slow process. Where are the great liberal politicians who promised everything when the vote was needed?

You should think before you speak. Everything I just mentioned- gays were victimized by the holocaust. There is no comparison, because there is no need to compare. Those events took place having a direct impact on the lives of the German LGBT population of that time. Most strikingly, Germany, Berlin in particular, prior to World War Two was considered to be one of the most LGBT inclusive places on the globe. It is this very fact, coupled with a domestic partner registry, that enabled Hitler's Germany to know a great deal about who was or was not gay, and use this information to hunt them down.

[Gretchen]

fr duped:

>...And I really, really want to know who is financing the hate. Release the names, NOM. Release the names, NOM. Release the names, NOM. We want to know who is buying the elections in this country. <

I can give a couple names.

Elsa Prince, of Prince Corporation, Holland MI. She donated a TON of $$$ to Prop HATE. Her son, Erik Prince, founded BLACKWATER. A Wikipedia article about him states:

>...Prince was unfaithful to his first wife, Joan Nicole Prince, cheating on her with their nanny, Joanna Houck. When Joan Prince died of cancer in 2003, Houck attended the funeral while pregnant with Prince's child. Prince and Houck were married a year later.[15]

Prince has six children.[16]

[edit] Political donations
Prince serves as vice president of the Edgar and Elsa Prince Foundation. Salon reports that "between July 2003 and July 2006, the foundation gave at least $670,000 to the Family Research Council, which his family founded, and $531,000 to Focus on the Family"[17] headed by James Dobson. The foundation is also a major donor to Calvin College[18], a Christian institution in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Prince also serves as a board member of Christian Freedom International, a non-profit group with a mission of helping "Christians who are persecuted for their faith in Jesus Christ."

Since 1998, Prince has personally donated over $200, 000 to Republican causes.[19][20][21] Prince is a donor, along with others to the Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative Christian legal group.[22] Prince had also contributed money to the Green Party of Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, though this has been interpreted as an unsuccessful attempt to help Republican candidate Rick Santorum in his race against Democratic challenger Bob Casey.[23]

Former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards has characterized Prince as one of George W. Bush's "political cronies."[24] Prince has denied using family clout to obtain contracts for Blackwater.[25]...<

The "fotf", the "afa" and the "frc" are all CULTS, and need to have their tax exempt status yanked, and permanently. Frank Schilling of Prop HATE is not a Maine resident, so he should never have been allowed to destroy Marriage Equality in Maine. He goes around causing trouble and bears careful watching.

[Joe in Novato]

BlogReader2009 wrote:

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...Why not compare you plight to the Jewish Holocaust then too? I mean, you seem to easily and wantonly disrespect the history and current situations of American women and blacks. Do it to everyone then.

I guess you never studied history.

JEWS, GAYS AND GYPSIES were the Nazis targets. The holocaust DOES belong to gays in addition to Jewish folks and Gypsies.

Where do you think the upside down pink triangle originated?

Gays were exterminated right along with the Jews and Gypsies. Read. Learn.

[Richard]

Maine made the right decision.

[Dan]

JohnInToronto wrote:

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I am actually worried about my now rather reduced retirement savings. My fear is not about the stock market, which is rebounding, but the American dollar. I am afraid it will weaken seriously in the next decade, rendering my US money worthless here in Canada when I withdraw it.
Also, while I do not think the Afghan war is being fought on evil principles like the Iraqi one, I think it is unwinnable. Canada already is planning withdrawal and the US should do so too. The people who should be sending troops there are the three world powers that have the most to lose from increased Muslim fundamentalism in the region - India, China and Russia.
Health care in Canada has a lot of problems, but not nearly as much as healthcare in the US. The rejection of a universal guarantee of EQUAL access and coverage for everyone shows that the powers that be in America are hypocrites.
And, of course, to bring down CO2 emissions to acceptable levels, the US would need not only to look at what is emitting the stuff but why it is doing so. The solution lies in mass transit, forcing companies to allow computer-based workers to telecommute, forcing communities with large job bases to build moderate income housing and even in some cases to take monster houses by eminent domain and replace with affordable housing near job bases, requiring clothing sold in the US to be able to be wet cleaned rather than dry cleaned, discouraging or even forbidding new housing development in exurbs, and really making a serious attempt to get black, white and brown to live together. All of this requires social engineering, not just sacrifice and is intolerable to most of the idiots in the country who are afflicted with both greed and racism. Global warming will benefit Canada in the short term (10-15 year or so) with longer growing seasons and the opening of the Northwest Passage, but it will also be a victim in the long term.
Hope you have a good job in Sherbrooke as I can't find anything here. I love Canada but as a born American there are still some things that are hard to get used to about Canadians - particularly their passivity and unwillingness to confront someone who is in the wrong.

Sounds like you've figured out a fix for global warming, mass transit and have provided your analysis of international affairs, all in one post.
Maybe the Canadians you meet aren't 'passive'; they probably think you're a stuck up pseudo-intellectual with an answer for everyone's else's problems.

[Dan]

Sacgary wrote:

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In California it was the Mormons and the Catholic Church.
In Maine it was the Catholic Church.
If the Catholic Church had anything to do with it there would be a repeat of the Spanish Inquisition but this time the focus would be on us.
If you Google Religious Wars and research you will find the Catholic Church has been directly or indirectly responsible for every one of them.
Persecution, domination, repression and tyranny are all traits of the Catholic Church since its inception.
The Mormon Church, while not responsible for near as many deaths for religious ideals, is also about the same 4 traits.
If the churches are going to act as lobbyists, they need to have their tax exempt status revoked and be subject to the same laws as lobbyists.

Maybe the pro-gay marriage side needs better lobbyists.

[Yeek]

BlogReader2009 wrote:

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Honestly I agree with you. I simply disagree with the "gay community" comparing murder, malice, and rape to marriage. Women were the slave to white men in this country until 1920...and blacks were the slaves to white men until 1866ish...and the virtual slaves until 1964. Neither of the aforementioned even owned the rights to their own BODIES. For homosexuals to compare marriage to slavery is sickening and plain delusional.

First of all, women were not slaves until 1920. They were forbidden to vote, but they were allowed to hold elected office, own property, and even own slaves. Just in case facts matter to you.

Second - what do you think would have happened to homosexuals if they could have been "spotted" back in the old days? Do you think they would have been sent out into the fields to work alongside the black slaves? Do you think they would have been forbidden to vote. Nope. They would have been EXECUTED. Not a live of servitude or second-class citizenship - just no life at all. So spare me your particular brand of time-travel pathos, as if there was some kind of "pain debt" that had to be paid until people "earned" their rights. Screw you. We earn our rights by being human. If you're still so desperate to be the center of the pity party that you can't extend an ounce of decency toward someone else, you're probably just making excuses for your own personal failings.

[JohnInToronto]

Dan wrote:

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Sounds like you've figured out a fix for global warming, mass transit and have provided your analysis of international affairs, all in one post.
Maybe the Canadians you meet aren't 'passive'; they probably think you're a stuck up pseudo-intellectual with an answer for everyone's else's problems.

Then please suggest what you think!

[Sacgary]

Joe in Novato wrote:

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I guess you never studied history.
JEWS, GAYS AND GYPSIES were the Nazis targets. The holocaust DOES belong to gays in addition to Jewish folks and Gypsies.
Where do you think the upside down pink triangle originated?
Gays were exterminated right along with the Jews and Gypsies. Read. Learn.

The pink triangle has its origins in the Nazi concentration camps. It was used to mark homosexuals for extermination or experimentation.

The orientation of the triangle determined if they were killed or used for experiments.

The GLBT community has wisely chosen to adopt and embrace the symbol so that it can no longer be used as a symbol of hate and persecution.

We need to do the same with the words fag and queer.

[Richard]

Maine made the right choice. Homosexuality is a sickness.

[Gay Mom]

Richard wrote:

Maine made the right choice. Homosexuality is a sickness.

Actually it's not, but homophobia is. Get help.

[CatholicPatriot]

Bridgette P. LaVictoire doesn't have a clue.

Catholics supported the American Revolution and were members of the Revolutionary Army. I wonder if Bridgette P. LaVictoire can name any of the Catholics who signed the Bill Of Rights, the Declaration of Independence or the United States Constitution.

Is she even aware that Jefferson sent his daughters to a Catholic convent for their education and boarding while he was away in France?

Is she even aware that Jefferson and Madison opposed ratification of the U.S. Constitution?

Is she aware that John Jay and Thomas Payne were two of the founding fathers who suscribed to extreme anti-Catholic views?

I bet she would be happy to return to the days when New Englanders were engaged in witch hunts, or back to the days when New Englanders burned Catholic churches and murdered Catholics with out fear of prosecution.

Give me a break.

[JohnInToronto]

CatholicPatriot wrote:

Bridgette P. LaVictoire doesn't have a clue.
Catholics supported the American Revolution and were members of the Revolutionary Army. I wonder if Bridgette P. LaVictoire can name any of the Catholics who signed the Bill Of Rights, the Declaration of Independence or the United States Constitution.
Is she even aware that Jefferson sent his daughters to a Catholic convent for their education and boarding while he was away in France?
Is she even aware that Jefferson and Madison opposed ratification of the U.S. Constitution?
Is she aware that John Jay and Thomas Payne were two of the founding fathers who suscribed to extreme anti-Catholic views?
I bet she would be happy to return to the days when New Englanders were engaged in witch hunts, or back to the days when New Englanders burned Catholic churches and murdered Catholics with out fear of prosecution.
Give me a break.

Payne was not so much anti-Catholic but against all forms of organized religion. The Age of Reason states this quite clearly. He was a very enlightened soul.

[CatholicPatriot]

JohnInToronto wrote:

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Payne was not so much anti-Catholic but against all forms of organized religion. The Age of Reason states this quite clearly. He was a very enlightened soul.

Thomas Payne was a fanatical anti-Catholic bigot despite any claims he made to the contrary. Enlightened soul? Not a chance.

The truth is Thomas Payne suffered what most English protestant colonists suffered. A lack of a quality education system. They didn't even have the benefit education in most cases.

[Sacgary]

If you Google "religious wars" you will find the Catholic Church was responsible for millions of deaths.

Any belief that contradicted theirs was considered heresy and they sent armies to kill entire cultures.

The Catholics invented genocide.

[Curteese]

Sacgary wrote:

If you Google "religious wars" you will find the Catholic Church was responsible for millions of deaths.
Any belief that contradicted theirs was considered heresy and they sent armies to kill entire cultures.
The Catholics invented genocide.

Spanish Inquisition..Crusades, any others I missed?

[Sacgary]

Curteese you missed just a few...lol.

This is only a 35 year period that was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths all because someone dared to preach something other than the Catholic Religion.

The First War (1562-1563)

The Second War (1567-1568)

The Third War (1568-1570)

The St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre (1572)

The Fourth War (1572-1573)

The Fifth War (1576)

The Sixth War (1577)

The Seventh War (1580)

http://www.lepg.org/wars.htm

The War of the Three Henries (1584-1589)

The Wars of the League (1589-1598)