'I was raped'

Feminist activist Jennifer Baumgardner caused a huge stir with her 'I had an abortion' T-shirt, and now she's back with a design that reads 'I was raped' By Mary Bowers THE GUARDIAN, NEW YORK Sunday, Apr 27, ...

[sara]

Abortion is a total disreguard for life. She blatently took a sibling away from her son, and looking back, she will realize that she has taught her son to treat life with disrespect and ignorance-taking it whenever it's convenient. She was a walking contradiction wearing the shirt pregant-she says by doing this "Some babies are worth it and some simply are not. This one's lucky!".
Discusting.....
This is an atrocious way of life and bein pro-life (which every LIVING HUMAN BEING should be-because wer'e alive...)I am discusted by people like Jennifer Baumgardner. Taking lives and being paid for it is twisted and the human race is in an evil decline because if it. God doesn't care if you were raped, neither does the baby within. Have your baby and suck it up.

[Sue]

While I agree with you that the life should be protected, how do you expect a woman who has just been through the horror of rapeto take anything you say seriously when you attack her with such venum?

[Just me 74]

I believe all women have the right to do with there bodies as they see fit. No body has the right to tell us women what we can and cannot do with our bodies or lives. Also for those who tell others how to live they need to look at there own lives and see what's messed up with it and fix it before you go and try to push your venom onto others. We have to think about what is wrong with ourselves before we throw the first rock.

[Harry Plopper]

I saw her with t t-shirt that said "I am brain-dead"

[Dawn]

Just me 74 wrote:

I believe all women have the right to do with there bodies as they see fit. No body has the right to tell us women what we can and cannot do with our bodies or lives. Also for those who tell others how to live they need to look at there own lives and see what's messed up with it and fix it before you go and try to push your venom onto others. We have to think about what is wrong with ourselves before we throw the first rock.

Yeah. If you live in a glass house (which we all do)...

[Pro Life JP Freeman]

Just me 74 wrote:

I believe all women have the right to do with there bodies as they see fit. No body has the right to tell us women what we can and cannot do with our bodies or lives. Also for those who tell others how to live they need to look at there own lives and see what's messed up with it and fix it before you go and try to push your venom onto others. We have to think about what is wrong with ourselves before we throw the first rock.

The Problem is Women are destroying someone elses body. My avatar is my son Joseph 21 weeks from conception. He lived 1 hour. Yes he could have been legally aborted, killed, Yes Murdered. The same laws that permit abortion killed my son Joseph and also killed my daughter Anne. 3 other babies including a set of twins all borned alive had medical help until their death. Joseph and Anne did not. Why The same laws that permit abortion to judge viability Took my wifes and I choice away. Some Choice I had to watch them die as I beg for help. I truely know the feeling of rape. I a 6'2' Male that was a solid 220 lbs was helpless I should of grab the doctor by the throat and told him I'll rip your heart out if you do not try to save them. I cried and beg not once but twice. The other times I made my feeling known and the hospital and the doctors agreed before there was any sign of trouble.Yes you have the right to do anything you want with your body. Apparently right now you can destroy someone elses body to. All because you or someone like you can not use birth control (note each partner should use it) Accept responsibility

[Just me 74]

I just believe everyone is too busy trying to get into eveyone else's lives. why do we have to be so nosey why cant we just live and let live.

[Pro Life JP Freeman]

Just me 74 wrote:

I just believe everyone is too busy trying to get into eveyone else's lives. why do we have to be so nosey why cant we just live and let live.

Live and Let Live What a great Pro Life message! If everyone would do that I would not be here. I know from a very personel experience who is being aborted. Yes like it or not another person is being killed, murdered or aborted.

[pbfa]

At 21 weeks, that fetus was not viable and could not survive. Choking the doctor (how pro-life of you!) would not change that.
Your post was garbled & unclear. You might benefit from therapy to help you clarify your thoughts. Posting silly rants about machinery that talks and sentimental crap about talking fetuses doesn't seem to be helping you deal with whatever really happened.

[Pro Life JP Freeman]

pbfa wrote:

At 21 weeks, that fetus was not viable and could not survive. Choking the doctor (how pro-life of you!) would not change that.
Your post was garbled & unclear. You might benefit from therapy to help you clarify your thoughts. Posting silly rants about machinery that talks and sentimental crap about talking fetuses doesn't seem to be helping you deal with whatever really happened.

My Boy lived 1 hour with no help. No incubator Nothing. The baby cried? I heard one resident comment "I did not think a fetus at 21 week could cry like that" I will post the whole story of my son Joseph brief life. Let me add Babies have survived at 21 weeks and I think Joseph would have if they just tried. I thought you were pro choice? What happen to my Wife and I, we had no choice. The same laws that give choice to kill do not give choice to live. Bitter, you bet I am because it happen twice My daughter Anne again a brief life a cry then death. No amount of therapy will make that pain go away. Did they die in vane? No because I know of 3 debates I had that ended up with Babies born. I must admit many more have died. I will hold my babies in heaven. If you are suffering guilt from an abortion or if you have lost a baby try reading "I'll Hold you in Heaven" by Jack Hayford

[kurol]

This is a topic about the freedom of expression over sensitive topics and the "uproar" that has apparently been caused over it, in addition to the cause and effects of such a display, not whether or not you think you are right over the issue of abortion.

[MSO4]

Just me 74 wrote:

I believe all women have the right to do with there bodies as they see fit. No body has the right to tell us women what we can and cannot do with our bodies or lives. Also for those who tell others how to live they need to look at there own lives and see what's messed up with it and fix it before you go and try to push your venom onto others. We have to think about what is wrong with ourselves before we throw the first rock.

At what month do you think she has this right? Speaking of venom.

[TheTimeIsNow]

Pro Life JP Freeman wrote:

<quoted text>
The Problem is Women are destroying someone elses body. My avatar is my son Joseph 21 weeks from conception. He lived 1 hour. Yes he could have been legally aborted, killed, Yes Murdered. The same laws that permit abortion killed my son Joseph and also killed my daughter Anne. 3 other babies including a set of twins all borned alive had medical help until their death. Joseph and Anne did not. Why The same laws that permit abortion to judge viability Took my wifes and I choice away. Some Choice I had to watch them die as I beg for help. I truely know the feeling of rape. I a 6'2' Male that was a solid 220 lbs was helpless I should of grab the doctor by the throat and told him I'll rip your heart out if you do not try to save them. I cried and beg not once but twice. The other times I made my feeling known and the hospital and the doctors agreed before there was any sign of trouble.Yes you have the right to do anything you want with your body. Apparently right now you can destroy someone elses body to. All because you or someone like you can not use birth control (note each partner should use it) Accept responsibility

I see where you're coming form. Right now viability is defined by the point where the baby has a 50% chance of survival. I think it should be at the point where the baby stands any chance of survival, and the earliest where there's a remote possibility of survival is 21 weeks, so I think at that point yes they should have to try to save them.

And yes I agree it's 2 bodies. But I disagree with you that abortion should be illegal. You see as long as the fetus is in the woman's body it is living off of her body and her nutrients. Forcing the woman to keep it in there makes her a slave to the fetus. It's her body and just like she has the right to revoke consent to a part of a man's body being inside of her she also has the right to revoke consent to the body of any person no matter how it got there to be in there.

Once it's possible for the fetus to survive on its own then I think if she wants to revoke consent it should be delivered alive and they should try to save its life. Someday there will be ectogenesis and they'll be able to do this at any stage of the pregnancy. However, I still think then abortion should be permitted before there is brain function. Once there's brain function, not a fully developed brain but some brain function then I think it's safe to say it's a person since it is beginning its first very primitive thoughts which it has the potential to build on from there and expand to more complex thoughts as it gets older. It's not at that point yet, but saying therefore it's not a person is like saying therefore a newborn baby is not a person, since newborn babies haven't reached the complexity of thought that makes a person.

However, before there's brain function it really is just a glob of tissues. Something without brain function can't feel pain whether physical or psychological. So, embryos should still be abortable.

[C Hamilton]

Pro Life JP Freeman wrote:

I truely know the feeling of rape.

Unless you've been raped, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Ce Ce]

sara wrote:

Abortion is a total disreguard for life. She blatently took a sibling away from her son, and looking back, she will realize that she has taught her son to treat life with disrespect and ignorance-taking it whenever it's convenient. She was a walking contradiction wearing the shirt pregant-she says by doing this "Some babies are worth it and some simply are not. This one's lucky!".
Discusting.....
This is an atrocious way of life and bein pro-life (which every LIVING HUMAN BEING should be-because wer'e alive...)I am discusted by people like Jennifer Baumgardner. Taking lives and being paid for it is twisted and the human race is in an evil decline because if it. God doesn't care if you were raped, neither does the baby within. Have your baby and suck it up.

ABSOLUTELY!!!
To be raped would be devastating, but if a pregnancy occurs in that situation, to abort is playing God, and no one should have the right to take another life. Life is a gift, and everyone deserves a chance at it!!!

[C Hamilton]

Ce Ce wrote:

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ABSOLUTELY!!!
To be raped would be devastating, but if a pregnancy occurs in that situation, to abort is playing God, and no one should have the right to take another life. Life is a gift, and everyone deserves a chance at it!!!

Women should be given the morning after pill as soon as humanly possible. Is that a problem for you too?

[Ce Ce]

C Hamilton wrote:

<quoted text>Women should be given the morning after pill as soon as humanly possible. Is that a problem for you too?

No actually it is not.
The "plan B" is not an abortion pill, this will only work for you if those little soldiers haven't yet already attached themselves to the uterus.
So I guess if your quick enough this will work, but if you are pregnant and your to late for plan B, take responsibility, and have the child!!

[Tell-It]

Ce Ce wrote:

<quoted text>
No actually it is not.
The "plan B" is not an abortion pill, this will only work for you if those little soldiers haven't yet already attached themselves to the uterus.
So I guess if your quick enough this will work, but if you are pregnant and your to late for plan B, take responsibility, and have the child!!

Yea just have a child! Tell that to an uninsured expecting mother or a rape victim. I guess the victim was being unresponsible then?

[C Hamilton]

Ce Ce wrote:

<quoted text>
No actually it is not.
The "plan B" is not an abortion pill, this will only work for you if those little soldiers haven't yet already attached themselves to the uterus.
So I guess if your quick enough this will work, but if you are pregnant and your to late for plan B, take responsibility, and have the child!!

Take responsibility for being raped? Clearly you've never been in that situation.

[Ce Ce]

C Hamilton wrote:

<quoted text>Take responsibility for being raped? Clearly you've never been in that situation.

No I have not, and I am so sorry for the people who have been raped, my heart goes out to them.
What I'm trying to say is if through that horrible experience, pregnancy does occur, as hard as it may be, is to have the child, and don't abort. If conception has taken place through this horrifying act, then for some reason this child is meant to come into this world.