DCF: A history of turmoil

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Florida's Department of Children & Families and its predecessor agency have often been roiled by controversy and scandal, with numerous directors resigning under pressure or departing under a cloud.

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Jul 29, 2008
 
i'm not surprised. many had high expectations when butterworth was named, however, it appears that the job may have been too tough even for him. the agency should be DISMANTLED and a new mindset needs to develope or be created. REMEMBER WILLOWBROOK in staten island, new york.
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#2
Jul 29, 2008
 
DCF/DHS/CPS/DSS or whatever alphabet soup your agency is called, is collapsing in on itself all over the country.

Mismanagement of funds and people has created an disasterous social mostrosity from which we can never recover.

That is the problem with government. You get what you pay for. Stop paying for it and the problems will take care of themselves.
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Jul 29, 2008
 
Mr. butterworth is an outstanding leader. I cant help but wonder if he had enough due to the way the Governor fails to take care of State employees. Way to go Charlie! Florida State employees are #50 out of 50, dead last, in pay and you keep taking away. Well I hope you and future Mrs had a good time traveling to europe on the peoples dime while still cutting State employee benefits.
Bud

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Jul 29, 2008
 
I agree for the most part - DCF needs to be dismantled (too many lardbricks left over from the HRS days), but it needs to be replaced with people who are actually professionals and not slack-jawed cretins.
And before anyone casts the first stone, let me tell you how I came by this opinion: years of pro bono legal work involving DCF.
When their own legal department is directed to draft an order for the JUDGE TO SIGN, one would hope that it would be mercifully free of misspellings, atrocious grammar, and would actually place the right kids with the right parents. Evidently that is too much to expect from their "attorneys."
As the attorney for one of the parents, I took the liberty of rewriting the order in English and putting the kids with their own parents (ahem). The judge was pleasantly surprised, and wanted to know if DCF had hired someone new. Unfortunately, they had not. You couldn't pay me enough to work there.
DCF will never work correctly until it has the resources to hire people with IQ's over room temperature.
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Jul 29, 2008
 
underpaid wrote:
Mr. butterworth is an outstanding leader. I cant help but wonder if he had enough due to the way the Governor fails to take care of State employees. Way to go Charlie! Florida State employees are #50 out of 50, dead last, in pay and you keep taking away. Well I hope you and future Mrs had a good time traveling to europe on the peoples dime while still cutting State employee benefits.
You did get a different job, I hope.
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Jul 29, 2008
 
Bud wrote:
I agree for the most part - DCF needs to be dismantled (too many lardbricks left over from the HRS days), but it needs to be replaced with people who are actually professionals and not slack-jawed cretins.
And before anyone casts the first stone, let me tell you how I came by this opinion: years of pro bono legal work involving DCF.
When their own legal department is directed to draft an order for the JUDGE TO SIGN, one would hope that it would be mercifully free of misspellings, atrocious grammar, and would actually place the right kids with the right parents. Evidently that is too much to expect from their "attorneys."
As the attorney for one of the parents, I took the liberty of rewriting the order in English and putting the kids with their own parents (ahem). The judge was pleasantly surprised, and wanted to know if DCF had hired someone new. Unfortunately, they had not. You couldn't pay me enough to work there.
DCF will never work correctly until it has the resources to hire people with IQ's over room temperature.
Thank you bud. Thank you for your tireless and selfless performance. I'd buy you a drink, if I were closer.

Unfortunately they will never be able to hire people with IQ's over room temperature because the government also happens to be in control of education.

Besides that, the Jerry Springer generation is entering the field, to replace the Jenny Jones and Ricky Lake generation.

What did we expect, really?

I know this is a strange concept, but the federal funding is based on compliance. The better the agencies comply, the more funding. The more funding, the better resources. The better resources, the better outcomes.

But I agree, it's never going to work. It's asking for too much to expect people to learn about the system BEFORE they enter it.
Workers and parents both.
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#7
Jul 30, 2008
 
Want to reduce DCF costs and workloads?

Go in to the inner cities and offer yearly bonuses to the teenagers who have not yet gotten pregnant. Florida is having to pick up the costs of supporting a fallen apart culture, and they want no responsibility for their own children.
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Jul 30, 2008
 
It all does come back to education, one way or the other.

But it is a tragedy when the parents are clueless, and the kids are supposedly being "helped" by people who are just as clueless, or even worse, just don't care.

I have seen what happens to kids "helped" by DCF. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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Jul 31, 2008
 
mr crist the former state attorney whom sent us on a waild goose cghase with the hope of getting justice and betrayed our family by doing nothing appointed mr butterworth whom ignored my letters and phonecalls whom as head of dcf should had stepped up and did not just like mr crist the former state attorney now governor whom appointed a partner of the very law firm that i contacted to replace the judge that affirmed the removal of my children at the behest of dcf founded omn a vile lie and malicious prosecution that resulted in the loss of my boys innocence they were sexually molested and treatened to remain silent and the actors and agency hibiscus house still is funded by the state dcf spv benita tooms still works for dcf the very person i reported in tallahasse mr vern melving still ignores the peril in wich they put us and the consecuences of the illigal act they coomited rather crime i call them criminals mr crist as well he was the state attorney we were there at his office they lied to us as well as lucy hidy did and now his staff there uis no plausable evasion here they have no excuse not to give us justice god have proven me correct the treats made to my family and self as a single parent are very serious and i understand they are criminals they control the media and i recognize a deal made so that i would not be represented just by mr crist prompt appointment to the 19th judicial sistem juvenile court of the partner of the not mention law firm ummm like i told them it may sound silly in this serious matter every one that have refused to seek justice for my boys because mr crist is a nice guy are presentlly eathing crow in court right now the pfficer that treaten me fp pd officer tooms a confesed molestor commited his act in the same park my late wife and i took our children to play in the beach at fort pierce i call that poetic justice all those at the caucus in indian river county that ignored us and knew of our tribulation and did nothin they will be exposed public servants? or self interest servant ? they do not seek the protection of our children only of they office and checks and they self interest not of the dewellers of this state the main offender is mr crist i hope he finds some one to replace the hole of that mob called dcf and the mercenarys they sub contract to in our interest ?????? they are destryers of children and familys of dreams of innosence criminals all.
REMEMBER THE PAST CHANGE YOUR PRESENT WORK ON THE FUTURE JUSTICE DENIED IS SUCH NOT SERVED YES THEY DO CONTROL THE MEDIA I HAVE EXPIRIENCED THAT TOO.
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#10
Jul 31, 2008
 
Perhaps if you used some punctuation, and paragraphs, Mr. Butterworth might have read your letter instead of a wall o'text?
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Jul 31, 2008
 
bud thanks you must not be a parent nor have any sence of decency of dignity you could have made a better brainless comment but ?????? i see where you are from they lack oxigen up there and the fecal matter well you know have a fine day bud????.
the evidence is un questionable nor the facts nor the reality of they criminality i them others have the facts and did not act so i just hope it does not happen to one of your or any one else but then god have a way to humbling man or some whom think are man and dont understand manhood or parent hood now do you bud? and its my real name insults are the refuge of a scoundrel lol.
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Aug 1, 2008
 
E A LOPEZ III wrote:
bud thanks you must not be a parent nor have any sence of decency of dignity you could have made a better brainless comment but ?????? i see where you are from they lack oxigen up there and the fecal matter well you know have a fine day bud????.
the evidence is un questionable nor the facts nor the reality of they criminality i them others have the facts and did not act so i just hope it does not happen to one of your or any one else but then god have a way to humbling man or some whom think are man and dont understand manhood or parent hood now do you bud? and its my real name insults are the refuge of a scoundrel lol.
Asshat:

Not only am I a parent, but I have handled dozens of cases before DCF for FREE for people who couldn't afford an attorney.

I can see from your post above that for once, DCF did the right thing...because you are nuts.
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Aug 1, 2008
 
well mr bud good for you and you see you got the message; mr you dont work for free mr the state pays you ok do not obscure the facts i know that the state pays you and i object to your conclusion and oppinion you must walk a mile im my shoes and yet you will never belive the tort committed agaist my family; you pretend to be a solicitor you are pretending what you lack sence think about it bud youll get it very intelligent are you!!.
children removed illigally,sexually molested and abused in they care and custody and they removed two boys that have never been abused in any ways or form and put them with sexually molested children and enderger them for no justifyabkle reason they up to today dont have a leg to stand on? they did the right thing well may what happen to us dont happen to you sorry self mr and you call your self a parent? may god look over yours i will never stop looking out for mines and ours and exposing the deeds that they so expertlly attempt to hide good day and read better solicitor ????.
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Aug 1, 2008
 
Ah no, the state does not pay me. It is for 100% for free. That is the point.

And really, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop writing like a 9 year old jacked up on Pixie sticks. Seek professional help.
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Aug 1, 2008
 
Bud wrote:
Ah no, the state does not pay me. It is for 100% for free. That is the point.
And really, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop writing like a 9 year old jacked up on Pixie sticks. Seek professional help.
you lack decency like mr crist your retort reflects your intellect ditto;think about it mr do something constructive educate your self in reallity dont hide. I dont am real not an user name its mine a fact. have a fine day in the world of tallahasse excrement.
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Aug 1, 2008
 
E A LOPEZ III wrote:
<quoted text>you lack decency like mr crist your retort reflects your intellect ditto;think about it mr do something constructive educate your self in reallity dont hide. I dont am real not an user name its mine a fact. have a fine day in the world of tallahasse excrement.
I have been doing something constructive about DCF for more than ten years now, in court, where it counts.

What have you done except complain and post unintelligible gibberish?
Bud

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Aug 1, 2008
 
And I couldn't care less what your real name is.

BTW have you ever been to Tallahassee? It is a very nice, clean, green place.

I look forward to remedying your ignorance further.
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Aug 1, 2008
 
if yall got a better answer than lets hear it. it aint no easy job doing what I did and what those people do everyday. Mistake are gonna happen like when you goto the restaurant and they mess up the order you don't freek out. Well there have been some mistakes but what is most important is that you learn something and when mistakes occur we always learned. There are so many different situations that coulda happened, after all you are dealing with people and you cannot predict what they are gonna do. The pay and benefits are being good to me now and I hate to read some of your comments because you do not know the facts.

I still has many friends their and it might be one of the hardest jobs but they try and there are many successes that you or we never hear about. We are to focused on failure.

DCF will survive.
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Aug 1, 2008
 
Butterworth for President!
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Aug 1, 2008
 
Ret DCF wrote:
if yall got a better answer than lets hear it. it aint no easy job doing what I did and what those people do everyday. Mistake are gonna happen like when you goto the restaurant and they mess up the order you don't freek out. Well there have been some mistakes but what is most important is that you learn something and when mistakes occur we always learned. There are so many different situations that coulda happened, after all you are dealing with people and you cannot predict what they are gonna do. The pay and benefits are being good to me now and I hate to read some of your comments because you do not know the facts.
I still has many friends their and it might be one of the hardest jobs but they try and there are many successes that you or we never hear about. We are to focused on failure.
DCF will survive.
Sorry but there is no excuse for incompetence and apathy - and those are the biggest problems DCF has and will continue to have.

Perhaps you were one of the good ones, and if you were, God bless you. My impression overall of the Department is just plain, inexcusable incompetence.

Fire the whole staff and start over.

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