Despite outcry, stand-ground law repe...

Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely

There are 80 comments on the Sunherald.com story from Jul 21, 2013, titled Despite outcry, stand-ground law repeals unlikely. In it, Sunherald.com reports that:

At least 22 states have laws similar to that in Florida, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

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“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

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#65 Jul 22, 2013
RustyS wrote:
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Wow, you have stumped the entire United States legal system with that one. I guess we would just hold some rallies, burn a few cars and let MSNBC news and a couple reverends decide.
Yet another non-response to a simple question. Welcome aboard. It's standing room only.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#66 Jul 22, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
Someone please explain what happens in the following situation.
I have a grudge against you. I shoot and kill you. There are no eyewitnesses. I claim the stand-your-ground defense. Do I get off though I have just committed murder?
Pick me pick me I can answer.

What happens is the police will do an investigation and they won't just take your word for it. They will in fact try to uncover facts which indicate you had a grudge and may have murdered the person. However since you claimed self defense they will have to prove that it was not self defense and the prosecutor must do so beyond a reasonable doubt.

It is not a bad idea either when you think of the other side of the coin. You have a grudge against this person and just as you don't like him he does not like you. He had the same idea and was going to kill you then claim self defense hoping to get away with murder. However when he went for his gun he fumbled his draw and you were quicker and shot him first. It was self defense, don't you want the police to have to prove it was not before they put you away for life.

A corny scenario I know but I think you get the idea, no matter how the law shakes out, stand you ground or preclusion there is the possibility of were bad outcomes which would argue the law should be changed.

Of course it makes little difference in the Zimmerman case as he did not use the stand your ground law in the first place. He went with strait self defense to a violent assault something that was available to him as a defense prior to the stand your ground law.

Under the old law the duty to retreat puts the person at great risk, and it's a Monday morning quarterback situation. We can all sit and analyze for hours what someone could have done. But in fact, a victim of a violent attack has seconds to decide if they want to live or they want to die or they want to be a victim of violence, such as rape or a beating. And I think in those circumstances, we need to give that law-abiding citizen the benefit of the doubt and stand beside them and say if you can stop a violent act from occurring that's going to victimize you and your family, that the state is going to stand with you.

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#67 Jul 22, 2013
Your Ex wrote:
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Lets see, so far we've got a Men's Warehouse vandalized in CA
A Wal-Mart graffitied & traffic impeded in LA.
Pretty lame riots.....
Whoever vandalized the Men's Wearhouse" is going to like the way he looks. George Zimmer guarantees it.

Whoever vandalized Wal-Mart were probably "associates" willing to exchange their lofty titles for a livable wage.

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#68 Jul 23, 2013
what about marriage between five adults? why would that not be constitutional?
Cat74

Barrington, IL

#69 Jul 23, 2013
So how is it coming, repealing the Stand Your Ground laws? Not done yet? Why don't you gun control nuts just hold your breath until it is done. We'll pick up the bodies later.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#70 Jul 23, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Don't confuse him / her with facts.
"Confuse" me with facts. C'mon, let's see you try. Sure would beat this sort of lame cheerleading, wouldn't it?:)
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#71 Jul 23, 2013
carey529 wrote:
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very entertaining how you continue to believe you have a clue...
Given your own posting, that's quite an amusing statement.:)
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#72 Jul 23, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
So how is it coming, repealing the Stand Your Ground laws? Not done yet? Why don't you gun control nuts just hold your breath until it is done. We'll pick up the bodies later.
Repealing laws is a long and difficult process, which will be made more difficult by Republicans who want these bad laws left in place.

Stand your Ground has nothing to do with gun control. But yes, you WILL continue to be picking up bodies as the result of allowing gun owners to shoot anyone they claim is "threatening" them.

Sickening that that cheers you so much..
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#73 Jul 23, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Yet another non-response to a simple question. Welcome aboard. It's standing room only.
Par for the course for Rusty, though, who trolls like a nine-year-old who thinks he's clever.

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#74 Jul 23, 2013
chisholm wrote:
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Repealing laws is a long and difficult process, which will be made more difficult by Republicans who want these bad laws left in place.
Stand your Ground has nothing to do with gun control. But yes, you WILL continue to be picking up bodies as the result of allowing gun owners to shoot anyone they claim is "threatening" them.
Sickening that that cheers you so much..
gun control laws concern law abiding citizens. passing these laws helps politicians feel good about themselves but does not have much affect on body bags. criminals do not abide by gun laws. the vast majority of homicides are criminal against criminal. poor people in high-violence areas need guns more than suburban types, so these laws disproportionally hurt poor, urban citizens. look at illinois, with some of the toughest gun control laws in the land, and most body bags...
See the Light

El Paso, TX

#75 Jul 23, 2013
chisholm wrote:
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Repealing laws is a long and difficult process, which will be made more difficult by Republicans who want these bad laws left in place.
Stand your Ground has nothing to do with gun control. But yes, you WILL continue to be picking up bodies as the result of allowing gun owners to shoot anyone they claim is "threatening" them.
Sickening that that cheers you so much..
Why is it alright with you if Trayvon had killed George Zimmerman and Trayvon threw the first punch. You people don't seem to care at all about the other human being, you just care about the thug who was trying to murder another, and mad he wasn't able to.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#76 Jul 23, 2013
chisholm wrote:
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Repealing laws is a long and difficult process, which will be made more difficult by Republicans who want these bad laws left in place.
Stand your Ground has nothing to do with gun control. But yes, you WILL continue to be picking up bodies as the result of allowing gun owners to shoot anyone they claim is "threatening" them.
Sickening that that cheers you so much..
I hear you jisholm, people killing anybody they want on the streets, but it's more of a protect your drug turf thing. I mean only 18 young black boys under the age of 17 were killed last year in Chicago.

Noticed Columbus is the murder capitol of OH, it ranks in the bottom 3% of safe cities. You don't have a stand your ground law. You people really need to do something, I mean you are a very liberal blue state, the republicans can't stop you, liberals make the laws there. What seems to be the problem?
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#77 Jul 23, 2013
GoodNewz wrote:
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gun control laws concern law abiding citizens. passing these laws helps politicians feel good about themselves but does not have much affect on body bags. criminals do not abide by gun laws. the vast majority of homicides are criminal against criminal. poor people in high-violence areas need guns more than suburban types, so these laws disproportionally hurt poor, urban citizens. look at illinois, with some of the toughest gun control laws in the land, and most body bags...
I thought my post made it clear that I wasn't talking about gun control laws, but 'stand your ground' laws.

Might want to read for meaning there..
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#78 Jul 23, 2013
See the Light wrote:
<quoted text>Why is it alright with you if Trayvon had killed George Zimmerman and Trayvon threw the first punch. You people don't seem to care at all about the other human being, you just care about the thug who was trying to murder another, and mad he wasn't able to.
Nothing you're saying makes any sense or is based in facts. And it's hypocritical of you to claim others "don't care about the other human being" when you brand a murdered, unarmed kid a "thug" and blame him for his own death.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#79 Jul 23, 2013
RustyS wrote:
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I hear you jisholm, people killing anybody they want on the streets, but it's more of a protect your drug turf thing. I mean only 18 young black boys under the age of 17 were killed last year in Chicago.
Noticed Columbus is the murder capitol of OH, it ranks in the bottom 3% of safe cities. You don't have a stand your ground law. You people really need to do something, I mean you are a very liberal blue state, the republicans can't stop you, liberals make the laws there. What seems to be the problem?
Quit trolling me, I'm not interested in dealing with your disingenuous blather and lies.

Ohio's a "very liberal blue state" and "liberals make the laws" here?

ROTFLMAO!

SIR LANCELOT

“I just hate stupid people”

Since: Apr 07

DEEP SOUTHERN ILLINOIS

#80 Jul 23, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think states should have the right to define marriage. The Constitution, by its silence on the matter, makes it clear.
The Constitution is pretty silent on having sex with kangaroos also.
Should that be legal also you Trotskyite?
See the Light

El Paso, TX

#81 Jul 23, 2013
chisholm wrote:
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Nothing you're saying makes any sense or is based in facts. And it's hypocritical of you to claim others "don't care about the other human being" when you brand a murdered, unarmed kid a "thug" and blame him for his own death.
Makes sense, you just don't want to admit I"m right. Instead of just walking away-Trayvon turned around to go beat the other guy. If he was scared he would have left, would'nt he?
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#82 Jul 23, 2013
See the Light wrote:
<quoted text>Makes sense, you just don't want to admit I"m right. Instead of just walking away-Trayvon turned around to go beat the other guy. If he was scared he would have left, would'nt he?
Why would I admit that a liar was "right?" You have no evidence Trayvon "turned around to beat" Zimmerman, and deny him any right to self-defense from a guy who's stalking him with a gun. Why? I can only assume his color is involved.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#83 Jul 23, 2013
chisholm wrote:
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Quit trolling me, I'm not interested in dealing with your disingenuous blather and lies.
Ohio's a "very liberal blue state" and "liberals make the laws" here?
ROTFLMAO!
Trolling you? Sorry, not sure WTF that is. Must be a progressive term for 'I've told you bullshit and you don't buy it so you must be racist'. I did not know OH was a conservative state. I thought all the electoral votes in Ohio went to Obama - twice. But then you live there, and you would know - my apologies.
See the Light

El Paso, TX

#84 Jul 23, 2013
chisholm wrote:
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Why would I admit that a liar was "right?" You have no evidence Trayvon "turned around to beat" Zimmerman, and deny him any right to self-defense from a guy who's stalking him with a gun. Why? I can only assume his color is involved.
Of course , when you can't come to logical conclusion -bring race into it.

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