Hearing addresses teacher ratings

Hearing addresses teacher ratings

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“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Jan 9, 2012
"The complexities of creating a grading system for Delaware's 8,000 teachers have caught the eye of some legislators who have been getting an earful lately about the process from educators."

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/2012010...

This is an interesting article. There should and has to be a grading system for teachers, how to do it is the question. Just as other workers are evaluated and graded on a yearly basis, so too teachers need to be held accountable for their skills or lack of skills. One bit I found absolutely great was the former teacher whose last name was SCHOOLEY! Perfect!

Since: Nov 11

Wilmington

#2 Jan 9, 2012
{"It's been expressed to us that it takes a village to raise a child. I fully support that," Jenner said. "But I don't see that having the driver's-ed teacher get 30 percent of his or her evaluation based on schoolwide reading or schoolwide math scores being any reflection of how good of a driver's-ed teacher he or she is."}

It doesn't "take a village" to raise a child, it takes responsible parents. That phrase is the liberal cop out to a word called responsibility. I won't be responsible, I'll expect the others to do that for me. The only thing the "village" has seemed to produce in any quantity is idiots. Who gets the burden next after the "village" fails?

As far as the teachers, they should be rated individually on their results and bottom 2% get shown the door, every year, until we 100% meeting the minimum standard. The minimum standard needs to be high enough that we turn out educated kids, not liberal brainwashed indoctrinated brats who thinks the world owes them something or people who exit high school with a 6th grade reading level.

The Federal Government has no business getting involved with state schooling, that department needs to be defunded and let the states decide what is best. Decisions should not be based on Federal funding, the state should address it's own issues and be decided by the tax payers and the school tax should cover it.

“Let's Have a Good Discussion!”

Since: May 08

DNFTT

#3 Jan 9, 2012
Hi guys!

I'm finally back from my extended holiday travels and it looks like things are pretty much as they were, huh? I hope everyone had great holiday celebrations and wish all a great new year.

As to the teacher issue, it sure brings back memories of fairly predictable and vehement opinions that would invariably result on TNJ. For some reason, some feel that the job of teaching is supposed to be immune from all the factors applicable to jobs generally. Go figure.

Anyway, a core issue that I always felt needed to be changed was tenure. In my mind, that alone symbolizes the completely unwarranted immunity from employment accountability that teachers have come to assume is their right. Maybe (MAYBE!) it has some theoretical merit at the university level although even there, the reality is that it almost always is skewed to ensure a certain philosophical and political obedience rather than applied to ensure academic independence. As so often happens in highly developed cultures, the pressures of entropy start to undermine the very precepts that made it great as some misuse the guiding principles to undermine the very values intended to be preserved.

I recently heard an interesting comment from Gov. Christie who was reflecting on the entrenched obstruction he's facing in trying to institute reform in NJ's education system. He was struck by the stark reality that EVERY single element in the system (teachers, superintendents, principals, custodians, etc.) each has separate, specialized, richly funded and politically active lobbying forces..... EXCEPT students!!! I found that a telling comment.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Jan 9, 2012
GS - Welcome back, I arrived back in DE on Friday just in time to experience the same sort of weather I had for three weeks in SC - go figure!

The point you made about tenure is a good one, too many times a really gung ho new teacher with lots of great ideas about how to reach the students is let go in favor of the tenured, only interested in putting in the required years to get the pension. That is a shame. Merit is what is used in all other jobs, it should be the only criteria for teachers too. The sad fact is that not everyone can teach, just getting the degree is no guarantee that that person will actually be a good teacher.
Pikecreek 19808

Wallingford, PA

#5 Jan 10, 2012
exitde wrote:
{"It's been expressed to us that it takes a village to raise a child. I fully support that," Jenner said. "But I don't see that having the driver's-ed teacher get 30 percent of his or her evaluation based on schoolwide reading or schoolwide math scores being any reflection of how good of a driver's-ed teacher he or she is."}
It doesn't "take a village" to raise a child, it takes responsible parents. That phrase is the liberal cop out to a word called responsibility. I won't be responsible, I'll expect the others to do that for me. The only thing the "village" has seemed to produce in any quantity is idiots. Who gets the burden next after the "village" fails?
As far as the teachers, they should be rated individually on their results and bottom 2% get shown the door, every year, until we 100% meeting the minimum standard. The minimum standard needs to be high enough that we turn out educated kids, not liberal brainwashed indoctrinated brats who thinks the world owes them something or people who exit high school with a 6th grade reading level.
The Federal Government has no business getting involved with state schooling, that department needs to be defunded and let the states decide what is best. Decisions should not be based on Federal funding, the state should address it's own issues and be decided by the tax payers and the school tax should cover it.
As usual, Exit, you sound like the cluless, tea party reactionary, you are. What is wrong with the (village) helping to raise the child. ie parents, neighbors, extended family, teachers, ect. That is the way it was done in the old days.It isn't a cop out to have many positive influences. Does everything have to be jaded with your rather negative politics? I have a child that had many influences,and I am a responsible parent, and a LIBERAL! Yes Exit it's not a dirty word. My child gets in no trouble, is in AP classes, has a 4.0, and was just accepted to the University of Delaware majoring in Economics and Accounting. Guess, myself and "the village" did a pretty good job, eh? But then again we are just a bunch of liberals. Now about your children? Do you have any?

Since: Nov 11

Wilmington

#6 Jan 10, 2012
Pikecreek 19808 wrote:
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As usual, Exit, you sound like the cluless, tea party reactionary, you are. What is wrong with the (village) helping to raise the child. ie parents, neighbors, extended family, teachers, ect. That is the way it was done in the old days.It isn't a cop out to have many positive influences. Does everything have to be jaded with your rather negative politics? I have a child that had many influences,and I am a responsible parent, and a LIBERAL! Yes Exit it's not a dirty word. My child gets in no trouble, is in AP classes, has a 4.0, and was just accepted to the University of Delaware majoring in Economics and Accounting. Guess, myself and "the village" did a pretty good job, eh? But then again we are just a bunch of liberals. Now about your children? Do you have any?
As usual you missed the entire concept of the remark and go off on some off-tangent rant. Have a nice day.
Pikecreek 19808

Wallingford, PA

#7 Jan 11, 2012
exitde wrote:
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As usual you missed the entire concept of the remark and go off on some off-tangent rant. Have a nice day.
And "As usual" your anti-woman, anti-education, anti-child, attitude shines through. Have a nice day, too.
exitde

Claymont, DE

#8 Jan 11, 2012
Pikecreek 19808 wrote:
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And "As usual" your anti-woman, anti-education, anti-child, attitude shines through. Have a nice day, too.
You know what, I'm not anti any of that, you really need to get a life.

Since: Nov 11

Wilmington

#10 Jan 15, 2012
Pikecreek 19808 wrote:
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Actaully, I have a very nice PROGRESSIVE, LIBERAL life. YOU need to come out of the 19th century, and stop forcing your Tea Party fascist beliefs on everyone that disagrees with you.
HA! I could care less if someone agrees with me, let alone force anything down anyone's throats. Tea Party Facist? Another funny joke.:)
exitde

Claymont, DE

#13 Jan 16, 2012
pikecreek 19808 wrote:
Sorry scream
And yours don't? You certainly are a comedian!:)
Pikecreek 19808

Wallingford, PA

#14 Jan 17, 2012
exitde wrote:
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And yours don't? You certainly are a comedian!:)
Thank you, I try.
No, I just don't believe in the extreme right-wing views you expouse on here. We all have our preferences and opinions. That is what being an American is all about. But pushing them on other people seems to be a hallmark of the Tea Party fascist agenda. That and hating Obama because he is a black man.

Since: Nov 11

Wilmington

#15 Jan 17, 2012
Pikecreek 19808 wrote:
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Thank you, I try.
No, I just don't believe in the extreme right-wing views you expouse on here. We all have our preferences and opinions. That is what being an American is all about. But pushing them on other people seems to be a hallmark of the Tea Party fascist agenda. That and hating Obama because he is a black man.
Too bad you feel that way, no one is pushing anything. Feel free to ignore my posts, no need to read them and get all worked up, I can't imagine your response to an actual right wing extremist, wow, you apparently have never been exposed to one. The racist comments are disgusting, it seems there is an issue going on with you and skin color. Too bad, in the real world we respect people for themselves, not their skin color or anything else, you will learn that someday. Treating people with respect and dignity would be a new experience for you, try it sometime. Come back to talk when you grow up, graduate high school and have been around the block a few times and are able to develope an original thought instead of repeating yourself and cutting and pasting blurbs you run across. The Tea Party? Couldn't tell you anything about them or their agenda. Have a nice day.

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