What should the US do about Iran and ...

What should the US do about Iran and the Straight of Hormuz?

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“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Bluffton, SC

#1 Jan 2, 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mid...

What should we do, escalate the sanctions or keep steady? Iran has to be taught the lesson that we will NOT stand for this or condone them having a nuclear weapon. That would be as smart as giving a madman a bomb. We all know who would be the first target and then Europe would be next.

Since: Nov 11

Wilmington

#2 Jan 2, 2012
Continue to press sanctions and if they actually stop shipping, turn the aircraft carrier loose of them, there is enough fire power on that one vessel and it's battle group to respond and resolve the issue and terminate anything Iran launches . If Iran is stupid enough to fire on a vessel under any flag, I would imagine the response would be an overwhelming punishing air strike. Military action should not be ruled out and in fact should be swift and final if employed. We have ample assets in the Gulf (and allies) to deal with Iran, and don't forget Israel, they would love to get in the fray and use it as an excuse to remove the nuclear technology that has been developed. Before the end of the year there will be a problem, Iran is itching for a fight. China will complain, but they need us and are seeing the threat long term, Russia will not get involved, they have enough issues going on internally.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Bluffton, SC

#4 Jan 2, 2012
Chief, the biggest threat is the perception that America is weak, "Leading from behind" if you will. That area is a tinderbox with Iran causing as much trouble in Iraq, Egypt and Syria as they can. Exit is right, China will whine but not get involved, they have too much to lose and Russia I think has enough interior problems right now to press us much. All this posturing is because America had gone appeasement mode rather than asserting our position. Just look at what didn't happen when the young of Iran rose up! Nada, zilch, nothing. We showed ourselves to be very weak just when we should have shown ourselves to be strong.

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#5 Jan 2, 2012
exitde, chiefbuck, and Ballybunion, Taking into consideration that all three of you are not foreign policy experts, I'm baffled on why you all seem so hell bent on unleashing another war in the Middle East? Didn't you learn anything from launching an expensive war in Iraq, based on phoney accusations of al-qaeda /iraq collusion and WMDs?

Pay attention to what Iran says it might do; as opposed to what it actually does.@exitde, "to press sanctions" The international sanctions have worked successfully to bring Iran back to the bargaining table on lifting sanctions in exchange for Iran compliance with IAEA rules on peaceful nuclear energy development.(Russia and China, Great Power allies of Iran, have endorsed this approach)

@Ballybunion, "condone them having a nuclear weapon. That would be as smart as giving a madman a bomb" Two things wrong here. Iran has been acting in a very rational way towards US flexing their muscles in the region(drone attack kills of al-qaeda leaders(Anwar al-Alwaki in Yemen for example); success of the surge in Afghanistan and winding down of US troops with transfer of power to Afghanistan defense forces, VP Biden's brokered talks among Iraqis on a unified Constitution(Sunnis, Shites, Kurds), and the new $65 billion dollar military jet deal to Iran's arch-rival regional hegemon, Saudi Arabia. The US is well-poised to control Iran by surrounding them with US-allied surrogates. Secondly, Iran getting the 'bomb' doesn't threaten any US vital interests. What it does threaten is a weakening of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the basic principle of separating peaceful nuclear energy development from bomb-making purposes --both Iran and the US are signatories . Thus, the need to insist Iran stay within the IAEA international structure.

Since: Nov 11

Wilmington

#6 Jan 2, 2012
Chiefbuck wrote:
exitde, If only we had a real commander in chief! I am concerned about a "wag the dog" possibility, Iranian leadership is unpredictable and if they assume that under our current leadership their losses would be minimal or acceptable, they may decide to push us to the edge. The possibility that our armed forces may be reduced and made far less effective is real. If given the opportunity or even a good chance of success, I believe Iran and others will push the envelope. When our current economic situation and the upcoming election are thrown into the mix, I admit to being deeply concerned about the immediate future of our nation.
There lies the problem, we have no real commander in chief, and the world recognizes he is a weak president and paper tiger. I agree they will push the envelope and presently they are, Obama is already in a box and has no clue how to get out. The problem with that is; at that point we end up reacting instead being pro-active, utilizing pre-emptive action. We have always had a steel shield of offensive capability present if ever needed, he has removed that simply by being a weak and naive president and cutting our forces. It is never good to be put into a defensive position, that usually does not have a good ending. Between the economy, increasing debt, radical left wing disruption with social unrest created by ows, a president that presents nothing but weakness to the world, yes we are in trouble. The only saving grace we may have is the world recognizes he is finished as president and we will elect a person who is a true leader and will not tolerate something like Iran becoming a threatening influence in the Middle East. They will not want to deal with the incoming president who will not be afraid to clean their clock.

NOBAMA 2012

Since: Nov 11

Wilmington

#7 Jan 2, 2012
frontporchreactionary wrote:
exitde, chiefbuck, and Ballybunion, Taking into consideration that all three of you are not foreign policy experts, I'm baffled on why you all seem so hell bent on unleashing another war in the Middle East? Didn't you learn anything from launching an expensive war in Iraq, based on phoney accusations of al-qaeda /iraq collusion and WMDs?
Pay attention to what Iran says it might do; as opposed to what it actually does.@exitde, "to press sanctions" The international sanctions have worked successfully to bring Iran back to the bargaining table on lifting sanctions in exchange for Iran compliance with IAEA rules on peaceful nuclear energy development.(Russia and China, Great Power allies of Iran, have endorsed this approach)
@Ballybunion, "condone them having a nuclear weapon. That would be as smart as giving a madman a bomb" Two things wrong here. Iran has been acting in a very rational way towards US flexing their muscles in the region(drone attack kills of al-qaeda leaders(Anwar al-Alwaki in Yemen for example); success of the surge in Afghanistan and winding down of US troops with transfer of power to Afghanistan defense forces, VP Biden's brokered talks among Iraqis on a unified Constitution(Sunnis, Shites, Kurds), and the new $65 billion dollar military jet deal to Iran's arch-rival regional hegemon, Saudi Arabia. The US is well-poised to control Iran by surrounding them with US-allied surrogates. Secondly, Iran getting the 'bomb' doesn't threaten any US vital interests. What it does threaten is a weakening of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and the basic principle of separating peaceful nuclear energy development from bomb-making purposes --both Iran and the US are signatories . Thus, the need to insist Iran stay within the IAEA international structure.
And you foreign policy qualifications are?

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#8 Jan 2, 2012
@Chiefbuck, "Iranian leadership is unpredictable" "The possibility that our armed forces may be reduced and made far less effective is real" Only to you is Iran unpredictable;to the rest of the informed world Iran has been most predictable of a small,vulnerable state surrounded by moderate Arab 'enemies' and a large youth domestic population that yearns for the finer ,material things of the uber-modern capitalist West.

The foreign policy success of Obama/Clinton have been outstanding . Iraq War over. US troops home. US in Afghanistan winding down on schedule with a smooth transition taking place to the trained Afghanistan defense forces. The US-led sanctions in Iran has kept the pressure on Iran to return to the bargaining table as just last week Iran requested such a return . The Obama Administration has far more skillfully held the Allied Coalition forces together in victory in Libya too with no need for even one US soldier to be deployed. It looks like Obama's more laid-back, self-restraint style of command is working well compared to Bush/Cheney's bullying and saber-rattling.

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