Archbishop: Gay marriage violates "design of nature"

May 9, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Seattle Post-Intelligencer

The chairman of U.S. Catholic bishops' Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage has denounced legalization of same-sex marriage in Rhode Island as violating "the very design of nature." The Rhode Island Legislature voted for marriage equality last week, making the Ocean State the 10th state to legalize same-sex marriage.

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He made them male and female, butch and femme, top and bottom, pitcher and catcher!
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Not sure why these things keep making headlines, really.

"Catholic prelate affirms Catholic doctrine."

I mean, that's what the Bishop's doing. Not terribly newsworthy.

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Not sure why these things keep making headlines, really.
"Catholic prelate affirms Catholic doctrine."
I mean, that's what the Bishop's doing. Not terribly newsworthy.
I just hope they deny communion to same-sex marriage supporters. Added to the recent firing of a popular teacher in a catholic school, it would be kind of fun to watch them to hasten their own irrelevancy and demise as folks walk out.
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why don't people just shoot catholics on site

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The irony of such statements and openly hostile positions taken by representatives of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, such as this Archbishop and chairman of a powerful committee, is that he, himself, is a manager of numerous homosexual priests.

You and I know that the Lord Himself is intent on defending the same-sex couple, showing that their union can and will be sanctified in the Holy Spirit.

But, all of us must understand that the change to acceptance will take a considerable amount of persistence demonstrated over decades, even centuries, of time, through many generations. There is a long road ahead in establishing an understanding of human sexuality without superstition and taboo throughout the world's religious and political institutions and cultures.

We are the first wave of heterosexual and homosexual defenders of the principles of individual freedom and civility standing in the Light of Christ.

Our vehicle is the remarkable righteousness established through the American Constitution and the society it represents. Our efforts, starting 200 years ago and only now coming into a full demonstration, must survive.

Through this vehicle, the legal conversion to a nation cognizant of same-sex marriage will become established throughout the states, one by one.

Culture will folow when it is realized that this is a good thing.

In the meantime, always keep in mind that the Gospel of Christ is much more than just this one effort. It involves the freedom of individual expression and the embodiment of the Holy Spirit in every aspect of human effort.

We must all depend on rational people within the ranks of the Roman Catholics, eventually including their homosexual priests and nuns - not the pedophiles - to help with the conversion within the Roman Church.

And always remember the wisdom of at least one or two adages:

"The Lord works in mysterious ways."

"Rome wasn't built in a day."

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I just hope they deny communion to same-sex marriage supporters. Added to the recent firing of a popular teacher in a catholic school, it would be kind of fun to watch them to hasten their own irrelevancy and demise as folks walk out.
I'm not sure that someone not getting communion or a schoolteacher getting fired is going to hasten the demise of the Church.

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RevKen wrote:
The irony of such statements and openly hostile positions taken by representatives of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, such as this Archbishop and chairman of a powerful committee, is that he, himself, is a manager of numerous homosexual priests.
You and I know that the Lord Himself is intent on defending the same-sex couple, showing that their union can and will be sanctified in the Holy Spirit.
But, all of us must understand that the change to acceptance will take a considerable amount of persistence demonstrated over decades, even centuries, of time, through many generations. There is a long road ahead in establishing an understanding of human sexuality without superstition and taboo throughout the world's religious and political institutions and cultures.
We are the first wave of heterosexual and homosexual defenders of the principles of individual freedom and civility standing in the Light of Christ.
Our vehicle is the remarkable righteousness established through the American Constitution and the society it represents. Our efforts, starting 200 years ago and only now coming into a full demonstration, must survive.
Through this vehicle, the legal conversion to a nation cognizant of same-sex marriage will become established throughout the states, one by one.
Culture will folow when it is realized that this is a good thing.
In the meantime, always keep in mind that the Gospel of Christ is much more than just this one effort. It involves the freedom of individual expression and the embodiment of the Holy Spirit in every aspect of human effort.
We must all depend on rational people within the ranks of the Roman Catholics, eventually including their homosexual priests and nuns - not the pedophiles - to help with the conversion within the Roman Church.
And always remember the wisdom of at least one or two adages:
"The Lord works in mysterious ways."
"Rome wasn't built in a day."
Rev. Ken
"You and I know that the Lord Himself is intent on defending the same-sex couple, showing that their union can and will be sanctified in the Holy Spirit."

You may believe that. Many do not.
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RevKen wrote:
The irony of such statements and openly hostile positions taken by representatives of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, such as this Archbishop and chairman of a powerful committee, is that he, himself, is a manager of numerous homosexual priests.
You and I know that the Lord Himself is intent on defending the same-sex couple, showing that their union can and will be sanctified in the Holy Spirit.
But, all of us must understand that the change to acceptance will take a considerable amount of persistence demonstrated over decades, even centuries, of time, through many generations. There is a long road ahead in establishing an understanding of human sexuality without superstition and taboo throughout the world's religious and political institutions and cultures.
We are the first wave of heterosexual and homosexual defenders of the principles of individual freedom and civility standing in the Light of Christ.
Our vehicle is the remarkable righteousness established through the American Constitution and the society it represents. Our efforts, starting 200 years ago and only now coming into a full demonstration, must survive.
Through this vehicle, the legal conversion to a nation cognizant of same-sex marriage will become established throughout the states, one by one.
Culture will folow when it is realized that this is a good thing.
In the meantime, always keep in mind that the Gospel of Christ is much more than just this one effort. It involves the freedom of individual expression and the embodiment of the Holy Spirit in every aspect of human effort.
We must all depend on rational people within the ranks of the Roman Catholics, eventually including their homosexual priests and nuns - not the pedophiles - to help with the conversion within the Roman Church.
And always remember the wisdom of at least one or two adages:
"The Lord works in mysterious ways."
"Rome wasn't built in a day."
Rev. Ken
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Respectfully, I read the article and did not see where the Bp. made statements hostile to anyone.

I also don't see the irony you make note of. He may indeed have homosexual priests in his charge, but this doesn't vitiate his responsibility respective to his pastoral duties.

Those who demand tolerance in the public square should remember that it's a two-way proposition.

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Respectfully, I read the article and did not see where the Bp. made statements hostile to anyone.
I also don't see the irony you make note of. He may indeed have homosexual priests in his charge, but this doesn't vitiate his responsibility respective to his pastoral duties.
Those who demand tolerance in the public square should remember that it's a two-way proposition.
The RCC "tolerates" ONLY-AND-ONLY-AS-LONG-AS it's fangs are pulled and it's wearing a choke collar.
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The RCC "tolerates" ONLY-AND-ONLY-AS-LONG-AS it's fangs are pulled and it's wearing a choke collar.
Clever, yet untrue.

I understand that an endorsement from the Church is what is wanted and anything less will be viewed in the type of terms you relate here.

As it's not forthcoming, is it then acceptable for you and others to marginalize/demonize them for their beliefs? How quickly things change. Not long ago, the homosexual community bemoaned the lack of tolerance shown them by greater society and plead for understanding. Now that they are no longer aggrieved thusly, they engage in the very intolerance that they accused others of.

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I'm not sure that someone not getting communion or a schoolteacher getting fired is going to hasten the demise of the Church.
If communion is denied to the large percentage of catholics who now support civil marriage for same-sex couples (a majority in some polls), it might well drive many away.
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/majo...
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If communion is denied to the large percentage of catholics who now support civil marriage for same-sex couples (a majority in some polls), it might well drive many away.
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/majo...
Maybe.

I'm not sure why people who disagree THAT strenuously with church doctrine would find value in any sacraments conferred by said church.

Polls are polls. Not always trustworthy.

recall that people polled 50% or so support for SSM then voted it down 2 or 3 to 1 when given the opportunity at the ballot box.

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Maybe.
I'm not sure why people who disagree THAT strenuously with church doctrine would find value in any sacraments conferred by said church.
Polls are polls. Not always trustworthy.
recall that people polled 50% or so support for SSM then voted it down 2 or 3 to 1 when given the opportunity at the ballot box.
Such polling and voting is not indicative of any particular righteousness. Just because people are raised, led and taught to be passionate hypocrites and "orthodox" bigots, doesn't make them particularly ready and able to see the Light on any given day of the week.

If it were, the U.S. would still be tolerating slavery in the Southern tier.

As for Roman Catholics remaing true to their Church and finding value in the Sacraments, in spite of misguided Church Doctrine,....

well,.. LOL!!... every good Catholic, if pressed to tell the truth, already knows and will admit that a significant percentage of its priests are homosexual. Whether or not they are ACTIVELY homosexual is, among those Roman Catholics, a topic of non-conversation.

You, Dan, are a staunch defender of the Roman Church. Anyone who reads your comments should know this, in order to be able to put your views into proper context.

As for Snyper's observation that the Roman Church must be regularly defanged and kept on a leash in order for anyone to be able to have an expectation of ANY semblance of a sincere profession of tolerance from them,...

He is exactly right, historically and presently; and, undoubtedly, long into the future.

Such is the nature of religious zealotry. Jesus, Himself, kept a careful handle on such zeal, even among his closest and most ardent supporters, saying, "He that is to be the greatest among you, let him be your servant." and "Feed my sheep." and "My Kingdom is not of this world."

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Such polling and voting is not indicative of any particular righteousness. Just because people are raised, led and taught to be passionate hypocrites and "orthodox" bigots, doesn't make them particularly ready and able to see the Light on any given day of the week.
If it were, the U.S. would still be tolerating slavery in the Southern tier.
As for Roman Catholics remaing true to their Church and finding value in the Sacraments, in spite of misguided Church Doctrine,....
well,.. LOL!!... every good Catholic, if pressed to tell the truth, already knows and will admit that a significant percentage of its priests are homosexual. Whether or not they are ACTIVELY homosexual is, among those Roman Catholics, a topic of non-conversation.
You, Dan, are a staunch defender of the Roman Church. Anyone who reads your comments should know this, in order to be able to put your views into proper context.
As for Snyper's observation that the Roman Church must be regularly defanged and kept on a leash in order for anyone to be able to have an expectation of ANY semblance of a sincere profession of tolerance from them,...
He is exactly right, historically and presently; and, undoubtedly, long into the future.
Such is the nature of religious zealotry. Jesus, Himself, kept a careful handle on such zeal, even among his closest and most ardent supporters, saying, "He that is to be the greatest among you, let him be your servant." and "Feed my sheep." and "My Kingdom is not of this world."
Rev. Ken
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The sacraments are part and parcel of the doctrine. If the doctrine is "misguided", then the sacraments are of no real effect.

It's no wonderment to me or anyone else that there are homosexual Catholics.

This condescension on your part is the intolerance I was speaking of to another poster here. "hypocrites", "bigots".

You can't help yourself. Now that there's a social bully pulpit for gay rights, it's "game on, forget what I was griping about with that intolerance stuff before-now I get to do it to someone".

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Dan wrote:
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The sacraments are part and parcel of the doctrine. If the doctrine is "misguided", then the sacraments are of no real effect.
It's no wonderment to me or anyone else that there are homosexual Catholics.
This condescension on your part is the intolerance I was speaking of to another poster here. "hypocrites", "bigots".
You can't help yourself. Now that there's a social bully pulpit for gay rights, it's "game on, forget what I was griping about with that intolerance stuff before-now I get to do it to someone".
I don't think so, Dan.

The Church catholic has long held that the validity of the sacraments is not dependent upon the religious righteousness of the sacerdotally designated individual. Doctrine says that the conferments of the Holy Spirit are related to the grace given through the office, itself.

Because such doctrine is self-congratulatory, I might disagree with this. If this were true, all priests of Christ Jesus would be able to discern and deliver the fruits of the Spirit just as evidently as He was able to do.

No. It has something more to do with a familiarity with and love for the Spirit, coupled with the sincerety of the faith of the individual. That is why the quote that, "Whenever two or three are gathered together in My name, there I will be, also..." has such significance.

Moreover, the religious institution-based hypocrites and "orthodox" bigots are an historical legacy of the hierarchy and the followers-membership of the Church.

It is not good for anyone or for the Church hierarchy to deny this legacy. Such denial is what has propagated these horrendous behaviors into this very day, in the first place.

It is NOT condescension. It is an acknowledgment of the reality of misguided practices and self-defensive, self-congratulatory, selfishly propagating power-minded doctrines.

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely."
- Lord Acton

"It is not only the slave or serf who is ameliorated in becoming free... the master himself did not gain less in every point of view,... for absolute power corrupts the best natures."
- Prat de Lamartine (meaning that both the slave and the master benefit from the master's relinquishment of control in the recognition of an unlimited personal dignity and right of self-determination)

The claim that someone now, having taken an inch, is intent on taking an unjustified MILE, is the true condescension - as if the yielding of an inch was a magnanimous act. It wasn't.

It has been a minor pittance aimed at pacifying, in order to preserve the pittance-giver's coveted position of being the "benificent" gift-giver.

As truth and realization arrive at the individual level, the selfishly retained power of the institution necessarily, though reluctantly, must yield and then wane.

Acts 2:17

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I don't think so, Dan.
The Church catholic has long held that the validity of the sacraments is not dependent upon the religious righteousness of the sacerdotally designated individual. Doctrine says that the conferments of the Holy Spirit are related to the grace given through the office, itself.
Because such doctrine is self-congratulatory, I might disagree with this. If this were true, all priests of Christ Jesus would be able to discern and deliver the fruits of the Spirit just as evidently as He was able to do.
No. It has something more to do with a familiarity with and love for the Spirit, coupled with the sincerety of the faith of the individual. That is why the quote that, "Whenever two or three are gathered together in My name, there I will be, also..." has such significance.
Moreover, the religious institution-based hypocrites and "orthodox" bigots are an historical legacy of the hierarchy and the followers-membership of the Church.
It is not good for anyone or for the Church hierarchy to deny this legacy. Such denial is what has propagated these horrendous behaviors into this very day, in the first place.
It is NOT condescension. It is an acknowledgment of the reality of misguided practices and self-defensive, self-congratulatory, selfishly propagating power-minded doctrines.
"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely."
- Lord Acton
"It is not only the slave or serf who is ameliorated in becoming free... the master himself did not gain less in every point of view,... for absolute power corrupts the best natures."
- Prat de Lamartine (meaning that both the slave and the master benefit from the master's relinquishment of control in the recognition of an unlimited personal dignity and right of self-determination)
The claim that someone now, having taken an inch, is intent on taking an unjustified MILE, is the true condescension - as if the yielding of an inch was a magnanimous act. It wasn't.
It has been a minor pittance aimed at pacifying, in order to preserve the pittance-giver's coveted position of being the "benificent" gift-giver.
As truth and realization arrive at the individual level, the selfishly retained power of the institution necessarily, though reluctantly, must yield and then wane.
Acts 2:17
Rev. Ken
It's condescension, and not a little hypocritical.

You place yourself on a higher ground and deem yourself fit to judge the beliefs of others, emboldened by a bully pulpit of the sort that you certainly railed against when public sentiment wasn't going in your direction.
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Itís always nice to have NRA members weigh in on these discussions.
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Who cares about what the Roman Catholic Church believes? It has become largely irrelevant and uses such proclamations as headlines in an effort to stay in the news. No where in its Bible does it say that gay people should be deprived of the right to marry one another.

Meanwhile, here in the 21st century, the Rev. Al Sharpton has come to recognize that all Godís children are equally entitled.
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kuda wrote:
Who cares about what the Roman Catholic Church believes? It has become largely irrelevant and uses such proclamations as headlines in an effort to stay in the news. No where in its Bible does it say that gay people should be deprived of the right to marry one another.
Meanwhile, here in the 21st century, the Rev. Al Sharpton has come to recognize that all Godís children are equally entitled.
When and if Rev. Al Sharpton acquires any ecclesial relevance, I'm sure he'll get an article. Don't worry.

Sheesh.

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