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Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich Blast Gay Marriage At New Hampshire GOP Debate

There are 723 comments on the Free Republic story from Jan 10, 2012, titled Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich Blast Gay Marriage At New Hampshire GOP Debate. In it, Free Republic reports that:

The issue came up when a Yahoo! News reader asked, 'Given that you oppose gay marriage, what do you want gay people to do who want to form loving, committed, long-term relationships? What is your solution?' Romney and Gingrich answered that while they support limited protections for gay and lesbian couples, both believe marriage should remain a ... (more)

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“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#21 Jan 10, 2012
Cahoots wrote:
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You just wrote off a whole entire mass of people claiming they refuse anybody who does not agree with them, and why, because they do not agree with you. You are Top 40 material in hypocrisy.
A whole group of people who think it is their right to deny me "my rights" as an American citizen. Hmmmmmm, I'd say they were the definition of hypocrisy. "Nyghh, nyghh...we have rights, but we don't like you so you can't have them." Isn't this just about what they are saying??? LOVELY people, Jesus would weep.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#22 Jan 10, 2012
sandman21 wrote:
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If we expand the the institution of marriage to allow homosexuals to marry it would open a pandoras box, under equal rights we would have to allow people to marry animals or anything else.
Civil unions are widely recognized. Companies give medical benefits to partners and other privileges heterosexual partners receive. I do feel a certain sympathy towards homosexuals because I believe they are born that way. But where I live, if you go to the beach at night the clubs are full of gays and they are the most obnoxious, mean, intolerant group their is. Not to say there is not good gay people, I'm sure there is but the others give you guys a bad reputation. I'm sorry to say it is unnatural to have sex with the same sex. The human race would be extinct in one generation if it were not.
"Animals or anything else" cannot give consent, which is required in a marriage contract. The argument has been debunked many times. Regardless of benefits given by companies, Civile Unions are not equal, because they are not acknowledged in other states. And Civil Unions do not guarantee all the same benefits of marriage. So I suppose you want to deny rights to all GLBTs because "some" of them mis-behave in public places. Should we also deny rights to heterosexuals who mis-behave in public venues, like say Madri Gras? You cannot give one, not one, reasonable and inteligent reason not to allow gays to marry. But if you want to try, go ahead, we are here to counter any alledged rational reason you might come up with.
Cahoots

Douglas, WY

#23 Jan 10, 2012
Gay Mom wrote:
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A whole group of people who think it is their right to deny me "my rights" as an American citizen. Hmmmmmm, I'd say they were the definition of hypocrisy. "Nyghh, nyghh...we have rights, but we don't like you so you can't have them." Isn't this just about what they are saying??? LOVELY people, Jesus would weep.
Tell me one right you are denied, that is not a special right. Name one right I have that you do not have. And name me one right you can not have which is not the same for me. We are very much equal. What you are fighting for is special rights in your own intrests. Now you may get them, and you may not, but Lady you are a Hypocrite, at least in your posts on here. This you have no defense for. And by the way, if you are wishing to gain these rights,(and the left will grant them to you for your vote, as in selling out, to condemn your opposition is only going to make your fight harder. Good luck!

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#24 Jan 10, 2012
RalphB wrote:
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"Animals or anything else" cannot give consent, which is required in a marriage contract. The argument has been debunked many times. Regardless of benefits given by companies, Civile Unions are not equal, because they are not acknowledged in other states. And Civil Unions do not guarantee all the same benefits of marriage. So I suppose you want to deny rights to all GLBTs because "some" of them mis-behave in public places. Should we also deny rights to heterosexuals who mis-behave in public venues, like say Madri Gras? You cannot give one, not one, reasonable and inteligent reason not to allow gays to marry. But if you want to try, go ahead, we are here to counter any alledged rational reason you might come up with.
You're responding to someone who's simply too stupid to understand. In two of his poor excuses for a response to Gay Mom, he has pointed out that opposing genitalia, not love, is the important criterion for marriage. Anyone who finds marrying animals a logical extension of same-sex marriage is not capable of much beyond regurgitation of the witless drivel of Fox Noise and talk radio.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#25 Jan 10, 2012
Cahoots wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me one right you are denied, that is not a special right. Name one right I have that you do not have. And name me one right you can not have which is not the same for me. We are very much equal. What you are fighting for is special rights in your own intrests. Now you may get them, and you may not, but Lady you are a Hypocrite, at least in your posts on here. This you have no defense for. And by the way, if you are wishing to gain these rights,(and the left will grant them to you for your vote, as in selling out, to condemn your opposition is only going to make your fight harder. Good luck!
Obviously, you did not read all the posts on this thread, or you would have read what I wrote about your "special rights" claim. Just so you don't have to search it out, here is what I wrote:

"Marriage equality is not a special right. It is expanding and already available right. You would benefit as well as we, for your right to marriage would be expanded the same as ours. Just because you wouldn't want to take advantage of it does not mean that you do not gain expanded rights."

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#26 Jan 10, 2012
Cahoots wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me one right you are denied, that is not a special right. Name one right I have that you do not have. And name me one right you can not have which is not the same for me. We are very much equal. What you are fighting for is special rights in your own intrests. Now you may get them, and you may not, but Lady you are a Hypocrite, at least in your posts on here. This you have no defense for. And by the way, if you are wishing to gain these rights,(and the left will grant them to you for your vote, as in selling out, to condemn your opposition is only going to make your fight harder. Good luck!
She doesn't have the right to marry the woman she loves, you moron. You do. Not only does that deny her equal rights, it also amounts to special rights for heterosexuals. You wear your stupidity like a badge.
Cahoots

Douglas, WY

#27 Jan 10, 2012
Of course thinking back, selling out to the left does not always work either does it? I seem to remember Bill Clinton sneaking out in the middle of the night and quietly killing a gay rights bill. Play with a snake, and one could get bit!

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#28 Jan 10, 2012
sandman21 wrote:
<quoted text>
No I have the right to marry a woman, you have the same right as me, the right to legally marry a member of the opposite sex. I know Christian Judeo values mean nothing to people like you, but it was the basis of the founding of our country.
No it wasn't. They weren't even that interested. Do some research. They were mostly Deists, not even your run of the mill Christians. Read up on Thomas Jefferson's take on Christianity. He was outright hostile to it.

Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion if you choose that way. Fine with me. Or, are you wanting a state church, where they call the shots? If so, you might try a visit to Iran. Their clergy calls most of the shots there. I think you would fit right in.

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#29 Jan 10, 2012
sandman21 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have just as much right to marry a man as any other woman does. You don't want equal rights, you want special rights.
Wanting to marry the one you love is a special right? Since when?

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#30 Jan 10, 2012
sandman21 wrote:
<quoted text>
If we expand the the institution of marriage to allow homosexuals to marry it would open a pandoras box, under equal rights we would have to allow people to marry animals or anything else.
Civil unions are widely recognized. Companies give medical benefits to partners and other privileges heterosexual partners receive. I do feel a certain sympathy towards homosexuals because I believe they are born that way. But where I live, if you go to the beach at night the clubs are full of gays and they are the most obnoxious, mean, intolerant group their is. Not to say there is not good gay people, I'm sure there is but the others give you guys a bad reputation. I'm sorry to say it is unnatural to have sex with the same sex. The human race would be extinct in one generation if it were not.
BULL SH!T

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#31 Jan 10, 2012
sandman21 wrote:
<quoted text>
No I have the right to marry a woman, you have the same right as me, the right to legally marry a member of the opposite sex. I know Christian Judeo values mean nothing to people like you, but it was the basis of the founding of our country.
MORE BULL SH!T

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#32 Jan 10, 2012
Cahoots wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me one right you are denied, that is not a special right. Name one right I have that you do not have. And name me one right you can not have which is not the same for me. We are very much equal. What you are fighting for is special rights in your own intrests. Now you may get them, and you may not, but Lady you are a Hypocrite, at least in your posts on here. This you have no defense for. And by the way, if you are wishing to gain these rights,(and the left will grant them to you for your vote, as in selling out, to condemn your opposition is only going to make your fight harder. Good luck!
The right to marry the person you love has always been an exclusive right in this country, just like the right to vote, dictated by white males. Marital rape was laughed at by the male law makers in this country. Wives were property, there could be no marital rape. Black marry whites?? Illegal!!!! Gays marry??? No, no, no!!! Rights do evolve, justice is finally achieved, educated people see that things are not as they should be. The right to be legally wed to the person you love and will spend your life with is and will always be an American right. It will become the law of the land, hopefully in time for my partner and I to see the day.

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#33 Jan 10, 2012
Cahoots wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me one right you are denied, that is not a special right. Name one right I have that you do not have. And name me one right you can not have which is not the same for me. We are very much equal. What you are fighting for is special rights in your own intrests. Now you may get them, and you may not, but Lady you are a Hypocrite, at least in your posts on here. This you have no defense for. And by the way, if you are wishing to gain these rights,(and the left will grant them to you for your vote, as in selling out, to condemn your opposition is only going to make your fight harder. Good luck!
Once again, class, it's the right to marry the person you love, regardless of their gender.

Since: Sep 08

Hernando, MS

#34 Jan 10, 2012
sandman21 wrote:
<quoted text>
If we expand the the institution of marriage to allow homosexuals to marry it would open a pandoras box, under equal rights we would have to allow people to marry animals or anything else.
Civil unions are widely recognized. Companies give medical benefits to partners and other privileges heterosexual partners receive. I do feel a certain sympathy towards homosexuals because I believe they are born that way. But where I live, if you go to the beach at night the clubs are full of gays and they are the most obnoxious, mean, intolerant group their is. Not to say there is not good gay people, I'm sure there is but the others give you guys a bad reputation. I'm sorry to say it is unnatural to have sex with the same sex. The human race would be extinct in one generation if it were not.
Takes a real dumb sonofabitch to try to spread that kind of CRAP.

Fortunately you are now in the minority!

March 2011: Wash. Post-ABC Poll Finds 53 Percent Of Americans Support Gay Marriage And 44 Percent Oppose. From a March 18, 2011, Washington Post article:

A slim majority of Americans now support gay marriage, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The results underscore the nation's increasingly tolerant views about homosexuals, and parallel a string of recent legal and legislative victories for gay rights advocates.

Five years ago, at 36 percent, support for gay marriage barely topped a third of all Americans. Now, 53 percent say gay marriage should be legal, marking the first time in Post-ABC polling that a majority has said so.[The Washington Post, 3/18/11]

April 2011: CNN/Opinion Research Poll Finds 51 Percent Of Public Supports Gay Marriage And 47 Percent Oppose. An April 2011 poll conducted by CNN and Opinion Research found: "[M]ore than half of all Americans believe that marriages between gay or lesbian couples should be legally valid. With 51 percent of respondents saying that same-sex marriages should be legal, it is the first time that a CNN poll has found majority support for same-sex marriage." [CNN, Political Ticker, 4/19/11]

May 2011: Public Religion Research Institute Poll Finds 51 Percent Of Americans Support Gay Marriage And 43 Percent Oppose. A May 19, 2011, Public Religion Research Institute poll found that 51 percent of Americans favor "allowing gay and lesbian couples to legally marry, compared to 43% percent [sic] who are opposed." [Public Religion Research Institute, 5/19/11]

May 2011: Gallup Poll Shows 53 Percent Of Americans Support Gay Marriage And 45 Percent Oppose. In a May 20, 2011, report on one of its polls, Gallup wrote, "For the first time in Gallup's tracking of the issue, a majority of Americans (53%) believe same-sex marriage should be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages."

The report included this graph showing Gallup's findings on the question since 1996:

Live liks and graph at: http://mediamatters.org/research/201201100008

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#35 Jan 10, 2012
sandman21 wrote:
<quoted text>
No I have the right to marry a woman, you have the same right as me, the right to legally marry a member of the opposite sex. I know Christian Judeo values mean nothing to people like you, but it was the basis of the founding of our country.
Actually in 6 states we have the right to marry someone of the same sex, just as you do. By the end of 2012 that list will increase to 7 or 8 or even 9 states. By the end of 2013 the federal govt will be forced to recognize all legal marriage regardless of the genders involved.

Your judeo-christian values are irrelevant; laws are based on the constitution, not your fairytale story.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#36 Jan 10, 2012
Cahoots wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me one right you are denied, that is not a special right. Name one right I have that you do not have. And name me one right you can not have which is not the same for me. We are very much equal. What you are fighting for is special rights in your own intrests. Now you may get them, and you may not, but Lady you are a Hypocrite, at least in your posts on here. This you have no defense for. And by the way, if you are wishing to gain these rights,(and the left will grant them to you for your vote, as in selling out, to condemn your opposition is only going to make your fight harder. Good luck!
We don't need luck. In case you haven't been paying attention we are gaining equal rights state by state. Your opposition only makes our victories that much sweeter.

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#37 Jan 10, 2012
Cahoots wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me one right you are denied, that is not a special right. Name one right I have that you do not have. And name me one right you can not have which is not the same for me. We are very much equal. What you are fighting for is special rights in your own intrests. Now you may get them, and you may not, but Lady you are a Hypocrite, at least in your posts on here. This you have no defense for. And by the way, if you are wishing to gain these rights,(and the left will grant them to you for your vote, as in selling out, to condemn your opposition is only going to make your fight harder. Good luck!
I assume you are a heterosexual person, probably involved in an opposite-sex relationship.

Now, should your spouse die before you do, there are NUMEROUS inheritance issues that come into play. First, if you co-own a house, you automatically inherit TAX-FREE your late spouse's "half" of the house. For a same-sex couple, they pay tax starting on penny ONE of the value of the house, regardless of whether the house has a mortgage or is paid off. In MANY cases, this has caused the surviving partner to have to sell the house just to pay the inheritance tax that came out of the death of their life partner.

Also, you have automatic inheritance of every asset your late spouse has, also tax-free. Again, a same-sex couple has to pay inheritance tax starting with the first penny of everything that they inherit from their late partner. All because you can marry and we cannot.

Hetersexual divorce rates are over 50%, but there are THOUSANDS of examples of same-sex coules who have built lives together over decades without having any of the protections of marriage.

Same-sex marriage WILL NOT impede your ability to have an opposite sex marriage - it simply allows every adult the consensual ability to marry the adult that who is the love of their life, regardless of the sex of that person. If your marriage suffers because a same-sex couple is allowed to marry, the problem is in YOUR marriage, not in theirs.

Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#38 Jan 10, 2012
Cahoots wrote:
<quoted text>
What you need to do is change your heading to "Love Thy Neighbor, as long as they agree with Gay Rights".
Maybe you are too blind to see it, maybe you are too stuck on yourself to believe it, but Lady you have been hoodwinked. You see the left is always telling us all we must make allowances for the Muslim beliefs, we must make allowances to this belief or that, but they never themselves offer any allowances to the Christian, he is automatically condemned, as you just again condemned millions you dont even know. Why because they disagree with those who would sell your votes to the left for this right or that right. Truth is Christians do not agree with you on Gay issues because their religion tells them so. That means they are not being hypocritical, but mearly are in disagreement with you. So you see Lady you are a Hypocrite.
You fail to see that the views of Christians don't all agree. In the past, the majority of Christian religions believed it was wrong to allow the races to mix. They used scripture to support their views, just as they do today with marriage equality. However, today the majority of Christian religions do not speak out against interracial marriage. Why do you think that is? Did God come back and rewrite the bible? No, they just realized that there was no justification for their bigoted views, the same will be true in the case of marriage equality in a few years.
Additionally, no one is asking anyone to agree with or sanction a specific marriage, but when you stand in the way of the marriage of two consenting adults, you are seeking to force your beliefs on others and that is wrong and not consistent with what America stands for.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#39 Jan 10, 2012
sandman21 wrote:
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You have just as much right to marry a man as any other woman does. You don't want equal rights, you want special rights.
How DARE you say this. I would be shocked if it weren't for the fact that there are people all over America DARING to do far, far more than you do here.

How DARE people with disabilities ask for wheelchair ramps. They can use the goddamn stairs like EVERYONE else; they want SPECIAL rights to an easy, lazy way to get around.

How DARE we offer two political parties. Everyone can vote Democrat just like Democrats do; Republicans want SPECIAL rights to their own political party because they CHOOSE their political beliefs.

How DARE we allow all these religions. Everyone can convert to Judaism, and practice their religion JUST like the Jews do; instead, they CHOOSE another religion and demand SPECIAL rights of their country.

How DARE people ask for meat in restaurants; they can go vegan just like every goddamn vegetarian in this ENTIRE NATION, yet they want meat, asking for SPECIAL rights to have meat when they eat out, which costs more and slaughters poor, defenseless animals.

That's your "logic." Force upon people who were born gay the same "choice" a heterosexual has -- which is no choice whatsoever; it forces them into loveless marriages.

I have little doubt that people like you, were it legal, were there no ramifications, would FORCE rape upon your daughter when you felt YOU had found her the correct suitor.

Your suggestion that a gay person marry an individual of the opposite gender is an act of utter and forced rape upon that gay person, nothing more, nothing less.

But know what's funny? I know you know that; I know you say what you do just to be a scumbag.

Just to be a scumbag.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#40 Jan 10, 2012
sandman21 wrote:
<quoted text>
No I think civil gay partners should have the right to medical benefits. Most companies in my state do provide that.
Your responses in this thread smack of a condescending and even abusive "largesse" which is quite the opposite. I have little idea (having read a previous comment of yours) that you could easily guess why the "gays" are so "nasty-spirited."

If you had the slightest idea how you sound when you respond in this thread alone, you'd brand yourself a goddamn embarrassment to the human race. And there are millions like you who have the jaw-dropping gall to tell gay people they should have "civil unions" for reasons you cannot articulate and which are NOTHING more and NOTHING less than your determination that "gay = icky." My god, what laughable bullshit to call it "unnatural." To gay people, it is natural; any decision by a HETEROSEXUAL or a GAY PERSON not to have children keeps population down, since EVERY gay person alive can either impregnate or be impregnated.

You act, like many of the antigay do, as if "gay" is a label which defines and delimits a person, rather than -- quite simply -- an orientation, end of statement.

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