Census: Indiana ahead of U.S. average in "per student" spending

Indiana ranks just ahead of the national avearge in spending on students, the Census Bureau reports today. Full Story
TVS

United States

#2 May 24, 2007
Once again proving that there is not correlation between dollars spent on government education and the quality of government education. We are throwing money down a rat hole, yet 50% don't graduate.
Tim

AOL

#3 May 24, 2007
Here we go again - more money for schools that produce stupid graduates. Make sense to me!
Misleading

Noblesville, IN

#4 May 24, 2007
Unless this ranking takes into account the differences in cost of living between different areas of the country, these spending rankings mean nothing.
For example, would $8,798 buy the same amount of goods and services in California or Hawaii, as it does in Indiana?
If you can't say "yes", then these rankings are worthless.
Jim H

Indianapolis, IN

#5 May 24, 2007
I think a more interesting ranking here would be "per student" spending in the classroom, rather than "per student" spending in total as provided in this article. My knowledge of Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana schools suggests that Indiana's spending is oriented toward capital projects and debt service (ie., buildings), while Ohio and Michigan's spending is oriented toward staff and programs.

It's good to debate the amount of our spending in Indiana, but let's begin to debate the manner of our spending, too. Indiana's students are going to school in some of the most expensive buildings in the country, but are not performing as well academically.
Freddy

Indianapolis, IN

#6 May 24, 2007
Misleading wrote:
Unless this ranking takes into account the differences in cost of living between different areas of the country, these spending rankings mean nothing.
For example, would $8,798 buy the same amount of goods and services in California or Hawaii, as it does in Indiana?
If you can't say "yes", then these rankings are worthless.
That doesn't make the rankings "worthless." Rather they have to be taken with a grain of salt, but to discard the stats completely is an extremely disingenous approach to take.
Speedway

Indianapolis, IN

#7 May 24, 2007
I'd also like to know whether the spending amounts take into account differences in cost of living (though I don't believe they're completely without relevance without such adjustments).

I think it is indeed important where the money is being spent in Indiana schools. If debt payments and new football stadiums are large portions, then that is certainly not directly contributing to the students' education. If that is the case, then the administrations need to reevaluate and adjust.

I will say this, though, for Indiana schools--according to the "Smartest States Rankings" (which take many different factors into consideration), Indiana is surprisingly in the middle of the pack. I, along no doubt with countless others, thought we'd be more in the bottom third.
Kumar

Indianapolis, IN

#8 May 24, 2007
That sum would fund enrollment in a private school nicely instead of the current dump hole we call IPS.

I agree that the cost of living needs to be accounted for. With that, we'd be up closer to the top in adjusted spending, but our rank in actually succeeding in teaching our kids will still be near the bottom.

It's time to essentially 'start over' but with the incoming 1st graders. Every year they advance, the next class is taugh with the new system. You can't fix everyone, but you can put all your effort on the future, vs. trying to throw money at the unfixable current situation. Harsh, yes. Necessary, yes.

“I Pity the Fool”

Since: Mar 07

Fishers, IN

#9 May 24, 2007
Jim H wrote:
I think a more interesting ranking here would be "per student" spending in the classroom, rather than "per student" spending in total as provided in this article. My knowledge of Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana schools suggests that Indiana's spending is oriented toward capital projects and debt service (ie., buildings), while Ohio and Michigan's spending is oriented toward staff and programs.
It's good to debate the amount of our spending in Indiana, but let's begin to debate the manner of our spending, too. Indiana's students are going to school in some of the most expensive buildings in the country, but are not performing as well academically.
I agree completely, and would take this one step further in that we should reduce our spending on capital investments and overpaid supervisory personnel (i.e. superintendents and their administrations) and start spending more on teachers. It is critical to have highly qualified, well paid teachers in our schools, and less restraints and regulations.
TIGHT WAD

Indianapolis, IN

#11 May 24, 2007
MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING. COMPARE STUDENT SCORES IN DC TO UTAH.
Elphaba

Elizabeth, NJ

#12 May 24, 2007
This data is now two years old.:(

Our school district here in Indiana has been spending closer to $12,000 with no building going on.
Elphaba

Plymouth, IN

#14 May 24, 2007
WMJ-USA wrote:
<quoted text>WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT THIS ANYWAY??
Obviously not the people in charge. We can waste millions on zero deductible no copay health insurance and bonus Ohio residents with fradulent ADM billings to Indiana DOE and no-one cares.
Chris

Van Nuys, CA

#15 May 24, 2007
TVS wrote:
Once again proving that there is not correlation between dollars spent on government education and the quality of government education. We are throwing money down a rat hole, yet 50% don't graduate.
I am not sure how you are coming to your conclusion. There are 50 states in the union and ranking 22nd puts Indiana roughly in the middle. Considering that many states underfund public education (with the exception perhaps for university funding, although even that usually goes to research projects and not teaching), then Indiana being in the middle of the group doesn't really say much for Indiana's priorities.
Elphaba

Plymouth, IN

#16 May 24, 2007
Chris wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sure how you are coming to your conclusion. There are 50 states in the union and ranking 22nd puts Indiana roughly in the middle. Considering that many states underfund public education (with the exception perhaps for university funding, although even that usually goes to research projects and not teaching), then Indiana being in the middle of the group doesn't really say much for Indiana's priorities.
Just because a particular area is spending more money doesn't mean it was spent wisely and even for the benefit of children.
TVS

United States

#17 May 25, 2007
Chris wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sure how you are coming to your conclusion. There are 50 states in the union and ranking 22nd puts Indiana roughly in the middle. Considering that many states underfund public education (with the exception perhaps for university funding, although even that usually goes to research projects and not teaching), then Indiana being in the middle of the group doesn't really say much for Indiana's priorities.
The worst school districts were among the biggest spenders. Try going to a Washington DC school, and asking the children what the "D.C." stands for. They won't know. Try going to a New York school, and asking them where the "old" York was. They won't know. Try going to a New Jersey school, and asking them where the "old" Jersey was, and they'll say it's the smelling thing in their gym locker.
Former Resident

Roseau, Dominica

#18 May 25, 2007
Tim wrote:
Here we go again - more money for schools that produce stupid graduates. Make sense to me!
"Make sense to me" are you one of the "stupid" graduates?
Former Resident

Roseau, Dominica

#19 May 25, 2007
TVS wrote:
<quoted text>
The worst school districts were among the biggest spenders. Try going to a Washington DC school, and asking the children what the "D.C." stands for. They won't know. Try going to a New York school, and asking them where the "old" York was. They won't know. Try going to a New Jersey school, and asking them where the "old" Jersey was, and they'll say it's the smelling thing in their gym locker.
If you read the recent article in News Weekly, it is a sad fact that those cities have more top 100 in the country than any other state.
Former Resident

Roseau, Dominica

#20 May 25, 2007
TIGHT WAD wrote:
MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING. COMPARE STUDENT SCORES IN DC TO UTAH.
Regardless, something needs to be done with Indiana in terms of education. I have always enjoyed the idea of using government money to hire more "quality" teachers, not just teachers to improve our national averages. Unfortunately, you can build as mean state-of-the-art buildings as you want but it is ultimately the teacher who captures the child's mind to learn.
Scott

Indianapolis, IN

#22 May 25, 2007
WMJ-USA wrote:
<quoted text>WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT THIS ANYWAY??
When you pay over 4100 dollars a year in property taxs and 70% goes to the schools and you are single with no kids in any school I CARE.
Former Resident

Roseau, Dominica

#23 May 25, 2007
WMJ-USA wrote:
<quoted text>WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT THIS ANYWAY??
Not you again, I thought we got you straight yesterday? You come back for me to teach you some more, or are you just playing the antagonist?

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