California adopts new education stand...

California adopts new education standards

There are 8 comments on the Monterey County Herald story from Aug 3, 2010, titled California adopts new education standards. In it, Monterey County Herald reports that:

Today, California's kindergartners are expected to be able to read aloud a story like Dr.

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Bimarz

Monterey, CA

#1 Aug 3, 2010
Yes this is a good policy, BUT where are the teachers to implement this if you keep laying them off!!!
Marilyn

El Cerrito, CA

#2 Aug 3, 2010
The Mexican speaking children are the cause of this downward shift in achievement. This was not the case 50 years ago. If the children cannot speak English, they cannot learn efficiently in our language.
Just Thefacts

Salinas, CA

#3 Aug 3, 2010
What is not discussed in the article is the assessment component. Tests like the STAR and odd API statistic that produce scores heavily related to parent income and achievment will be replaced by those that directly measure change in student learning. What goes this mean? The huge bias in Monterey County will be removed. At present, schools with high income/education parents such as Carmel and PG score really high based largely on 2cd grade scores.

In Carmel especially after second grade scores drop and drop all the way through HS, yet the Carmal schools are promoted as great schools because of the high API number. Once student learnin is evaluated validly through change scores over time, districts such as Carmel will fall from the top to the bottom. Obama wisely knows touting an API score that is substantially contaminated by income/education tells little about a school's ability to educate a child. Only measuring what a child learns across time does.

Conversely, some of the poorer schools will likely outshine the Carmels in terms of evidence of quality teaching, in spite of having far less than the $19,000 per per student Carmel has. This is when it will get really interesting and in the long run helpful to all our County's children. Perhaps some day school funding will be based on success in educating, not elitist factors such as parent income and education. Isn't that what public education is supposed to be about?
Miriam

Monterey, CA

#4 Aug 3, 2010
Marilyn: Are you an educator??? If so, how do YOU know Mexican children are to scapegoat for the low test scores by ALL children??? Your argument shows your racial bias and nothing more! Wake up, things are never going to be the same as they are in Kansas! I suggest you change your paradigm on racism and education. Look at the culprits at the top before pointing the finger at the bottom rung of society! For Your information, the First California Constitution was written in Spanish, way before your people migrated here. BTW: Please don't eat Mexican food, YOU might like it!
Joe the carpenter

Salinas, CA

#5 Aug 3, 2010
This is America. English is the accepted common language. In order to integrate into society fully, the ability to communicate is critical. A refusal to do so only slows one down....and their children.... and those indirectly affected, like students who only have limited time each day to learn their lessons.... and the teachers to teach them. This is not racism at work here....it is common sense. The effort must be made.
listen up

Healdsburg, CA

#6 Aug 3, 2010
OK...oh my. First of all "Mexican" is a person from Mexico and Spanish is the language. Children from Mexico do speak Spanish, as do lots of children from the United States. They speak Spanish because their parents speak Spanish. It is not a handicapping condition, nor does it prevent them from learning. It is racist to say that the "Mexican speaking children are causing the downward slide in achievement."
The fact is, we are NOT in a downward slide. We've tanked for years. See what follows...
My second point is that this article explains the Common Core Standards, national educational standards for ALL kids in ALL states...a FANTASTIC IDEA!
You've probably read that California has the "highest standards" of any state, well we also have the LOWEST achievement among most states. If you read the previous sentence a couple times, you will notice that our high standards are not being met...which makes them UNREASONABLY HIGH. That's like saying, "I only drive the finest cars," and then hopping in your Ford Pinto because that's all you have at the moment. Either you drive a Pinto or a fine car, not both.
So, national standards means that if your kid takes algebra in 9th grade here in California, he would also be taking it in all 49 other states (if they all adopt the national standards, that is). Then, when the big, high stakes test comes out, it will all be aligned. Right now, because of our "high standards", our 8th graders are taking and failing algebra. Why? Because it's too hard for most 8th graders. Now everyone will have an even playing field.
Common standards, common assessments, common curriculum = apples to apples. Then we can compare ourselves to other states, and then, and only then, will we know where we really stand.
BTW, there are classes of children in every state who speak other languages, sometimes there are speakers of multiple languages in one class.(A friend of mine had 17 languages in her kindergarten class one year!) The children ARE taught English, but give us a break! It takes a few years to learn a new language!!! If you started learning Spanish today, I bet you wouldn't be ready to take a 2nd grade state test in Spanish this spring. That's what happens to thousands of 2nd graders in California each April. Not fair!
listen up

Healdsburg, CA

#7 Aug 3, 2010
PS - Joe, the Carpenter...I am not sure there is any kid in California "refusing" to speak English. It just takes time to learn it.

Just the Facts and Miriam - you make great points!
mmm

Torrance, CA

#8 Jan 30, 2011
You are not informed. Lower income districts receive more money per pupil than those with students whose parents have a higher income. Lower income schools receive higher funds because parent income is low, so they qualify for many programs that higher income family districts do not. Plus, lower income districts receive funding based on property values. A few million dollar houses in a suburban district do not generate the same amount of property tax as a billion dollar building in downtown LA, even though they are on the same size piece of land.
Just Thefacts wrote:
What is not discussed in the article is the assessment component. Tests like the STAR and odd API statistic that produce scores heavily related to parent income and achievment will be replaced by those that directly measure change in student learning. What goes this mean? The huge bias in Monterey County will be removed. At present, schools with high income/education parents such as Carmel and PG score really high based largely on 2cd grade scores.
In Carmel especially after second grade scores drop and drop all the way through HS, yet the Carmal schools are promoted as great schools because of the high API number. Once student learnin is evaluated validly through change scores over time, districts such as Carmel will fall from the top to the bottom. Obama wisely knows touting an API score that is substantially contaminated by income/education tells little about a school's ability to educate a child. Only measuring what a child learns across time does.
Conversely, some of the poorer schools will likely outshine the Carmels in terms of evidence of quality teaching, in spite of having far less than the $19,000 per per student Carmel has. This is when it will get really interesting and in the long run helpful to all our County's children. Perhaps some day school funding will be based on success in educating, not elitist factors such as parent income and education. Isn't that what public education is supposed to be about?

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