Florida ACT scores fall, state ranks 48th nationally -- Orlando...

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Florida's average composite score on the ACT college entrance test dropped 0.4 point to 19.9 this year to rank 48th nationally, according to results released early Wednesday.
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Aug 14, 2007
 
48th. nice... wasn't jeb bush the "education governor"?

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Aug 14, 2007
 
Wow ... this is incredibly sad.

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Aug 14, 2007
 
By the way, how about a mention of Nos. 1, 2 and 3?

I'm going to guess -- 1) Rhode Island; 2) Vermont; 3) New Hampshire.
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Aug 14, 2007
 
i would think that is directly related to the ability for any student who hasn't passed the FCAT to substitute an ACT score of 15 or higher for it thereby allowing them to graduate. just another way the FCAT is bringing FL down.
Gary

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#5
Aug 14, 2007
 
What do you expect when less then 50% of Flordians speak english.
Luke

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#6
Aug 14, 2007
 
They're basically blaming the blacks and hispanics or "minorities" for Florida's ranking in ACT scores. Can't they just say Florida's stupid and Jeb Bush's education plan failed misably. Where's all the dumb white kids in this story.
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Aug 15, 2007
 
Luke wrote:
They're basically blaming the blacks and hispanics or "minorities" for Florida's ranking in ACT scores. Can't they just say Florida's stupid and Jeb Bush's education plan failed misably. Where's all the dumb white kids in this story.
No, no, no. "They" aren't saying it is the minorities to blame. Our education commissioner is saying it. If you ask a teacher or counselor, they will explain that we have a higher percentage of low level learners across the board taking the exam to substitute for the FCAT. When every other state has college bound seniors taking the exam and we have students from all learning levels taking the exam, of course our scores are going to look poor. Just another example of the people in Tallahassee not knowing squat about what is really going on in the high schools.
Andrew Jackson

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Aug 15, 2007
 
Florida's ACT scores are a disgrace!
Anna

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Aug 15, 2007
 
Do you media people do any research at all? I swear, if you'd talk to the guidance counselor at any school, you'd know that the increase in students taking the ACT is because they are allowed by the State to substitute an ACT or SAT score when they cannot pass the FCAT.

Since you can only take FCAT three times a year, these students are utilizing the other options available to them with additional test dates for SAT and ACT. These are not the highest skilled students on a college prep track, they are the ones graduating with the bare minimum of academic requirements who need to demonstrate a reading or math level high enough to earn a diploma.

Why was this information left out of the story? This is why nobody should put their trust in the media.
Sharon

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Aug 15, 2007
 
I am a high school teacher, and Anna is right. Hmm...let me guess. Which students will perform the best: Students who are taking the ACT because they didn't pass the FCAT and want to graduate, or honors and AP students who are taking it as part of the college application process? Wow, that's a tough one....
John

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Aug 15, 2007
 
Sharon wrote:
I am a high school teacher, and Anna is right. Hmm...let me guess. Which students will perform the best: Students who are taking the ACT because they didn't pass the FCAT and want to graduate, or honors and AP students who are taking it as part of the college application process? Wow, that's a tough one....
I never knew you can substitute the FCAT with ACT if you can't pass the FCAT.
Anna

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Aug 16, 2007
 
John, it is obvious there's been a huge percentage jump in test-takers...but this reporter did not ask why. What a grotesque lack of research, and these people are responsible for giving us our information! Sure was easy for them to make us look bad though, wasn't it? The media disgusts me. Quit blaming Republicans for everything and do your jobs!
Laura

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Aug 16, 2007
 
Luke - you hit the nail on the head. As a mother with an 8th grader with mostly A's and B's and an occasional C and never anything lower - I am in a fight for her future at this moment because of this "failed plan". She freezes and does not do well on the FCAT so therefore, it does not matter that her entire 7th grade year she received straight A's in reading. She is being placed in an intensive reading class irregardless of her actual day to day performance. I have also been advised in my numerous phone calls yesterday that among other arrogant things said - unfortunately, my daughter is "just one who slipped through the cracks". The sad thing is that I actually went in and spoke with her principle at the beginning of summer and was assured that she would not be placed in intensive classes. After receiving her schedule yesterday and approaching the principle I was told there was nothing he could do and the only way my daughter would go into an advanced class was to put her in a private school. My other favorite comment was that they were responsible for my daughter. Last I checked, I am ultimately responsible for my daughter, her wellbeing and her future. Not the school board or the state of Florida. I am also very appreciative of the numerous county/state officials for whom I have left messages for and have heard from none of them except the school superindentant. Their secretaries or office staff we happy to tell me about law. The school superintendent was the only person I spoke to that spoke to me as a parent rather than reading to me from a book that each sentance starts with “Florida Law Mandates.” Our elected and appointed officials are putting so much emphasis on the FCAT that our teachers, most of whom are awesome and underpaid individuals, are not able to teach what really matters. I hope that these ACT statistics FINALLY wake someone up. We have a serious issue that needs to be addressed and FAST. By the way, my daughter is not a “minority” that the one official that was unavailable to speak to me referred to. She is a blonde haired, blue eyed caucasian so I would guess that they may need to spin the wheel and point a finger in another direction. Eventually they will get it pointed in the right direction.
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Aug 17, 2007
 
Andrew Jackson wrote:
Florida's ACT scores are a disgrace!
Gee, I don't know. I suspect that half of the schools are "below average". Who are you going to blame?
What did Jeb Bush do that he should have done differently? Giving the teachers more money,
(that always seems to be the answer), wouldn't make
the teachers or the students preform better.
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Aug 24, 2007
 
Anna wrote:
John, it is obvious there's been a huge percentage jump in test-takers...but this reporter did not ask why. What a grotesque lack of research, and these people are responsible for giving us our information! Sure was easy for them to make us look bad though, wasn't it? The media disgusts me. Quit blaming Republicans for everything and do your jobs!
Whenever there's something wrong with this state or the country for that matter, I don't blame any parties in office. I blame the actually person in office. I can careless what party they're in. In this case, it was Jeb Bush. I hope to god he doesn't run for the white house in the future. We dont need another Bush in the white house.
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Aug 27, 2007
 
Laura wrote:
Luke - you hit the nail on the head. As a mother with an 8th grader with mostly A's and B's and an occasional C and never anything lower - I am in a fight for her future at this moment because of this "failed plan". She freezes and does not do well on the FCAT so therefore, it does not matter that her entire 7th grade year she received straight A's in reading. She is being placed in an intensive reading class irregardless of her actual day to day performance. I have also been advised in my numerous phone calls yesterday that among other arrogant things said - unfortunately, my daughter is "just one who slipped through the cracks". The sad thing is that I actually went in and spoke with her principle at the beginning of summer and was assured that she would not be placed in intensive classes. After receiving her schedule yesterday and approaching the principle I was told there was nothing he could do and the only way my daughter would go into an advanced class was to put her in a private school. My other favorite comment was that they were responsible for my daughter. Last I checked, I am ultimately responsible for my daughter, her wellbeing and her future. Not the school board or the state of Florida. I am also very appreciative of the numerous county/state officials for whom I have left messages for and have heard from none of them except the school superindentant. Their secretaries or office staff we happy to tell me about law. The school superintendent was the only person I spoke to that spoke to me as a parent rather than reading to me from a book that each sentance starts with “Florida Law Mandates.” Our elected and appointed officials are putting so much emphasis on the FCAT that our teachers, most of whom are awesome and underpaid individuals, are not able to teach what really matters. I hope that these ACT statistics FINALLY wake someone up. We have a serious issue that needs to be addressed and FAST. By the way, my daughter is not a “minority” that the one official that was unavailable to speak to me referred to. She is a blonde haired, blue eyed caucasian so I would guess that they may need to spin the wheel and point a finger in another direction. Eventually they will get it pointed in the right direction.
Hello, I am a reading teacher. Yes, we have to place students who score a 1 or a 2 on the reading portion of the FCAT in Intensive Reading classes, but there are students in Intensive Reading who are also in AP or honors classes. There is no state mandate that prevents Intensive Reading students from being enrolled in AP and honors classes. At our school, placement in those classes is based on general academic performance - not just a one day test.
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Aug 28, 2007
 
Ken Carpenter wrote:
By the way, how about a mention of Nos. 1, 2 and 3?
I'm going to guess -- 1) Rhode Island; 2) Vermont; 3) New Hampshire.
Guess again
Graduating seniors in Minnesota had the highest average score in the nation on the ACT college admission and placement exam for the third straight year in 2007, according to results released Wednesday by ACT.

The average composite score of Minnesota's seniors was 22.5 out of a possible 36 points, up from 22.3 in 2006.

Wisconsin and Iowa tied for second with an average of 22.3. The average ACT score for the nation in 2007 was 21.2, up from 21.1 last year.
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Mar 19, 2008
 
efthecat wrote:
i would think that is directly related to the ability for any student who hasn't passed the FCAT to substitute an ACT score of 15 or higher for it thereby allowing them to graduate. just another way the FCAT is bringing FL down.
so if i got a 15 on my reading it could sustitue for my reading fcat scores
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#19
Apr 27, 2008
 
yeah if you were to make a 15 or higher it will substitute your reading fcat since you failed it
roberto salvatore

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#20
Apr 29, 2008
 
i was working on my fcat. and, the i fell asleep. i failed the fcat! i have no idea what to do now. i am 19 years old, and a junior in high school. if enywone has some advise i woulld realy enjoy it.
thank you very muchm,
roberto salvatore

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