Schools around US increase security

Dec 16, 2012 Full story: WLUK-TV Green Bay 20

Schools around the country are reviewing security plans, adding extra law enforcement patrols and readying counselors for the first day of classes since a shooting massacre at an elementary school in Connecticut.

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“Obama Shames the USA”

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#1 Dec 16, 2012
Didn't a similar incident happen in Mexico involving teenagers and the Fast and Furious guns.

“Historic American Greatness”

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#2 Dec 16, 2012
This is by far the most powerful speech President Obama has ever given… in the wake of this tragedy it is time for ALL Americans to find a sense of patriotism and support this President so that he can get to making this country safer for the children.

“Obama Shames the USA”

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#4 Dec 16, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
This is by far the most powerful speech President Obama has ever given… in the wake of this tragedy it is time for ALL Americans to find a sense of patriotism and support this President so that he can get to making this country safer for the children.
Who? Mr. Fast and Furious? Obama is responsible for many children's deaths in Mexico. Are you kidding me?
the three Amigos

Hanoi, Vietnam

#5 Dec 16, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
<quoted text>Who? Mr. Fast and Furious? Obama is responsible for many children's deaths in Mexico. Are you kidding me?
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the three Amigos

Hanoi, Vietnam

#6 Dec 16, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
This is by far the most powerful speech President Obama has ever given… in the wake of this tragedy it is time for ALL Americans to find a sense of patriotism and support this President so that he can get to making this country safer for the children.
Patman4ever!!! what can YO BOSS do!!;-000

“Obama Shames the USA”

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#7 Dec 17, 2012
More people are going to be home schooling next year whether the public union teachers like it or not.
It's probably a good idea now that we live in a country of lies and deceit at the highest level of government. Too much propaganda is being pushed on the children and it pushes some over the edge. There are way to many incidents for there not to be a homogenous reason for all these shootings and it has to be the public school system. We have to start there and work our way back if things are to get better instead of progressively worse with the progressives.
Give out the vouchers, reign in the municipal taxes, and let parents choose what's best for their children. Not some corrupt progressive (propaganda) government, ala Obama. Fast and Furious caused similar incidents in Mexico. Maybe here too. Obama is not a man to help this situation. He bungled Benghazi and will gloss over any mistake he makes. We all know that now. It's no wonder so many kids are whacked out. Our leader is a jerk.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#9 Dec 20, 2012
So sad and deepest sympathies to those directly affected.

If the attacker had been more organised, it could have been so much worse.

There were 650 people in Newtown's elementary school and many of them were hiding in cupboards or merely out of sight in classrooms. If Lanza had had an automatic weapon of higher calibre, he could have fired through walls. He could have approached his task with the planning and thoroughness of Anders Breivik. With only 26 fatalities the USA might have escaped very lightly - again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/eur...
http://www.nevadashooters.com/showthread.php...

Those with mental issues need assistance or treatment whether they can afford it or not.

It isn't guns that kill people, it's gun-culture that helps get people killed.
(JMHO)
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#10 Dec 20, 2012
The other thing that stuck me about the case is that there is no use having a security system and a glass door, but classrooms need light & air.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

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#11 Dec 20, 2012
EdSed wrote:
So sad and deepest sympathies to those directly affected.
If the attacker had been more organised, it could have been so much worse.
There were 650 people in Newtown's elementary school and many of them were hiding in cupboards or merely out of sight in classrooms. If Lanza had had an automatic weapon of higher calibre, he could have fired through walls. He could have approached his task with the planning and thoroughness of Anders Breivik. With only 26 fatalities the USA might have escaped very lightly - again.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/eur...
http://www.nevadashooters.com/showthread.php...
Those with mental issues need assistance or treatment whether they can afford it or not.
It isn't guns that kill people, it's gun-culture that helps get people killed.
(JMHO)
Our "gun culture" was created by Hollywood. The movies they have put out over the past 40 years have desensitized people to violence. The video games available make killing a sport/game. Gratuitus violence,glorifying guns rather than depicting them for what they are-tools/implements and a callous regard for life have made many in Hollywood and the computer game industry very wealthy. THEN when a true tragedy like a school or mall shooting happens they want to blame an inanimate object. Our liberals are truly the sick ones. They created the society we now have then cry crocodile tears when it goes wrong.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#12 Dec 20, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
More people are going to be home schooling next year whether the public union teachers like it or not.
It's probably a good idea now that we live in a country of lies and deceit at the highest level of government. Too much propaganda is being pushed on the children and it pushes some over the edge. There are way to many incidents for there not to be a homogenous reason for all these shootings and it has to be the public school system. We have to start there and work our way back if things are to get better instead of progressively worse with the progressives.
Give out the vouchers, reign in the municipal taxes, and let parents choose what's best for their children. Not some corrupt progressive (propaganda) government, ala Obama. Fast and Furious caused similar incidents in Mexico. Maybe here too. Obama is not a man to help this situation. He bungled Benghazi and will gloss over any mistake he makes. We all know that now. It's no wonder so many kids are whacked out. Our leader is a jerk.
I'm sure the FOX viewership will rise dramatically because "Faux is all the learnin' you'll ever need" and will produce more indoctrinated brainwashed illiterate teabaggers.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#13 Dec 20, 2012
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Our "gun culture" was created by Hollywood. The movies they have put out over the past 40 years have desensitized people to violence. The video games available make killing a sport/game. Gratuitus violence, glorifying guns rather than depicting them for what they are-tools/implements and a callous regard for life have made many in Hollywood and the computer game industry very wealthy. THEN when a true tragedy like a school or mall shooting happens they want to blame an inanimate object. Our liberals are truly the sick ones. They created the society we now have then cry crocodile tears when it goes wrong.
"Its the silver-screen & Blame the liberals"? Thank you for the reply but I think you'll have to think about the problem far more than that.

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#14 Dec 20, 2012
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>"Its the silver-screen & Blame the liberals"? Thank you for the reply but I think you'll have to think about the problem far more than that.
The mental health issue is a factor too. Diagnosis/treatment and if necessary institutionalized. We already have laws on the books that the mentally ill cannot purchase/own firearms. With over 20,000 local/State/Federal laws addressing gun control just how many more do we need? Especially when you consider that after a well publicized shooting the politicians would re-write some older law,reword it and pass it off as a "new" law against gun violence to make the firearm critics feel good. The goal has always been banning/confiscation/disarmame nt of our citizenry.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15 Dec 20, 2012
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>The mental health issue is a factor too. Diagnosis/treatment and if necessary institutionalized. We already have laws on the books that the mentally ill cannot purchase/own firearms. With over 20,000 local/State/Federal laws addressing gun control just how many more do we need? Especially when you consider that after a well publicized shooting the politicians would re-write some older law,reword it and pass it off as a "new" law against gun violence to make the firearm critics feel good. The goal has always been banning/confiscation/disarmame nt of our citizenry.
I don't think effective laws will be correctly formulated and implemented until the gun-culture declines. It will also take the will and co-operation of all USAmericans, not Reps beating Dems or vice versa.

Some traditions get out of date, like some Constitutional amendments perhaps?

I'm in the UK and one might naturally say that a Brit is the last person positioned to talk about dropping stupid traditions.(Get my own house in order?:-)

I don't wish to raise temperatures on such a sensitive topic. I just hope that the USA will develop a better example to the world regarding attitudes to firearms. And I hope you find solutions from which we may all learn.

Best wishes and good luck. Thanks for your kind replies.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

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#16 Dec 20, 2012
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think effective laws will be correctly formulated and implemented until the gun-culture declines. It will also take the will and co-operation of all USAmericans, not Reps beating Dems or vice versa.
Some traditions get out of date, like some Constitutional amendments perhaps?
I'm in the UK and one might naturally say that a Brit is the last person positioned to talk about dropping stupid traditions.(Get my own house in order?:-)
I don't wish to raise temperatures on such a sensitive topic. I just hope that the USA will develop a better example to the world regarding attitudes to firearms. And I hope you find solutions from which we may all learn.
Best wishes and good luck. Thanks for your kind replies.
The interesting factor in all this is in our rural areas,like where I live,guns are not an issue. We have them,use them,clean them and then put them away until they are needed again. I have several including an AR-15 that is an excellent firearm for target shooting and hunting. Small predators in our area prey on farm livestock and poultry here and a fast shooting rifle is useful in dropping a fox or coyote on the run before they can kill a chicken or young calf/lamb away from its mother.

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#17 Dec 20, 2012
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think effective laws will be correctly formulated and implemented until the gun-culture declines. It will also take the will and co-operation of all USAmericans, not Reps beating Dems or vice versa.
Some traditions get out of date, like some Constitutional amendments perhaps?
I'm in the UK and one might naturally say that a Brit is the last person positioned to talk about dropping stupid traditions.(Get my own house in order?:-)
I don't wish to raise temperatures on such a sensitive topic. I just hope that the USA will develop a better example to the world regarding attitudes to firearms. And I hope you find solutions from which we may all learn.
Best wishes and good luck. Thanks for your kind replies.
If you are familiar with our Constitution you may notice the first 10 Amendments compose the Bill of Rights. The rest concerns the power delegated to the Government by the people and rights granted to previously denied groups. We (foolishly) tried prohibition,which led to organized crime we are still battling. That amendment was repealed but the genie was already out of the bottle. The 2nd amendment is the cornerstone of the Constitution. Without it all other amendments have NO guarentor of complience from a government should it become despotic(as governments sometimes have a tendency to do should the wrong people become entrenched and drunk with power).
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#18 Dec 21, 2012
I think you raise three valuable points. Naturally we disagree, if you don’t mind that.

1. Guns are needed.
2. The US Constitution
3. Prohibition doesn’t work.(I take it you favour legalisation of drugs then? I do.)
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>
The interesting factor in all this is in our rural areas,like where I live,guns are not an issue. We have them,use them,clean them and then put them away until they are needed again.
Wasn't that what the parents of Columbine and Sandy Hook said? This sounds like "it can't happen here".
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>
I have several including an AR-15 that is an excellent firearm for target shooting and hunting. Small predators in our area prey on farm livestock and poultry here and a fast shooting rifle is useful in dropping a fox or coyote on the run before they can kill a chicken or young calf/lamb away from its mother.
Are you suggesting that guns keep livestock safe in the USA and not other measures like fences and pest controls? Do you stand guard on your animals 24/7/365? What is wrong with owning a shotgun, which is all UK farmers find necessary?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#19 Dec 21, 2012
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>If you are familiar with our Constitution you may notice the first 10 Amendments compose the Bill of Rights. The rest concerns the power delegated to the Government by the people and rights granted to previously denied groups. We (foolishly) tried prohibition,which led to organized crime we are still battling. That amendment was repealed but the genie was already out of the bottle. The 2nd amendment is the cornerstone of the Constitution. Without it all other amendments have NO guarentor of complience from a government should it become despotic(as governments sometimes have a tendency to do should the wrong people become entrenched and drunk with power).
Prohibition of illicit substances fails partly due to people’s addiction to them. Gun-addiction isn’t physiological, it is entirely social and the result of the US gun-culture. Prohibitions of drugs and alcohol have failed fairly uniformly throughout the developed world. Guns aren’t addictive in that way in societies with no US style gun culture,(e.g. Australia).

Despots cannot be stopped by an armed population. They often come to power in armed uprisings or after revolutions. They might be as likely to come to power through destabilisation of society and guns might facilitate that. I believe someone once said that Afghanistan,(a country of 2-odd millions) was laid-waste by 50,000 armed men. Democracy is established and maintained by developing the right principles and institutions.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#20 Dec 21, 2012
(Correction to post 17: 20-odd millions)
President Obama

Miami, FL

#21 Dec 21, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
This is by far the most powerful speech President Obama has ever given… in the wake of this tragedy it is time for ALL Americans to find a sense of patriotism and support this President so that he can get to making this country safer for the children.
I better not catch you going through my laundry again and sniffing my underwear.
Remeron

Saint Petersburg, FL

#22 Jan 2, 2013
NEW YORK – From the moment news emerged Friday that a young man had carried out a horrific massacre of elementary-school children, politicians from local city halls to the White House have been restoking the age-old push for more gun control. While guns have been a common denominator in mass slayings at schools by teens, there’s another familiar element that seems increasingly to be minimized.

Some 90 percent of school shootings over more than a decade have been linked to a widely prescribed type of antidepressant called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or SSRIs, according to British psychiatrist Dr. David Healy, a founder of RxISK.org , an independent website for researching and reporting on prescription drugs

See the link for more info. http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-...

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