Gang Stalking and psychological haras...
Ray

Manchester, UK

#8882 Nov 19, 2011
tampa wrote:
<quoted text>

It's MOST DEFINITELY NOT THE PEOPLE .(not all of us, there is a vocal minority of nazis well.....

As well, the Patriot Act has roots in the notorious BUSH KRIME CARTEL which is likely why we in Florida have it so hard.....

Ray, what kind of beam? You know your data might be able to be recovered, correct? As well, get one of those 2TB portable or wired hard drives. I recommend seagate NOT any other .....

As well, I left my laptop inactive for a bit while I was watching something and kept an eye on it and actually CAUGHT THEM DELETING A FILE. Moving it RIGHT OVER TO THE RECYCLE BIN. So you must be vigilant of remote desktop control. Even if you disable it they are able to access your files.
REPLY
(1) I used the word "Nazi" in a colloqial sense I meant "fascist" as here in UK we link the two. I did not specifically mean (a) member(s) of the nazi party.....
(2) I agree that Bush 'had strong fascist' tendencies and believe that, anyway, he should be tried for war cimrs against humanity....
(3) It was infra-red beam that could be seen while being emitted from an object fitted at, and pointing down from, the bottom of the helicopter. I was working for someone else on my pc desktop - on a technical file of some complexity. The file emptied in front of my eyes. I hjad been saving the file as I went along and there was nothng left of the file. I couls find no way of recovering anything. I lost about 6 hours hard work, which I had to repeat, and had to face the wrath of the other person, who accused me of not saving. I do use an external hard-drive, but that would not hhave salvaged this situation.
(4) In the past I have experienced the effects from hackers from their trojan horses - such as you witnessed when you saw your files being moved to the recycle bin with no solicitation from yourself. In one my case the hackers emptied many files on desktop. On reflection, whilst I automatically assumed it was hackers did that - the fact the files were empty like that, with icons still there, leads me to think maybe it was a black helicopter. Thae emptied files did not worry me too much. They were travel photos that I had backed up on external devices.
One of the files was entitaled "ducks" as it was a picture of feral ducks in an overseas paddy field (we don't have paddy fileds in the UK), and I wondered if the police might have thought the title was a euphemism describing pornography of some sort. If so they left disappointed, very frustrated, and having wasted public money.
Ray

Manchester, UK

#8883 Nov 19, 2011
And
- while I am here:
Thank-you, ReadTheRecommendation, for the link, which will be worth checking out,
AND
Not Alone - Thank you for your moving and heart-felt statement of the lack of support for the victims of perps in modern society. It may seem to be an oxymoron when Not Alone says he feels 'Alone' with the problem.
However he is not QUITE alone - as we, here, are more or less in the same boat as him.
Not Alone

Nicholasville, KY

#8884 Nov 19, 2011
Ray wrote:
And
- while I am here:
Thank-you, ReadTheRecommendation, for the link, which will be worth checking out,
AND
Not Alone - Thank you for your moving and heart-felt statement of the lack of support for the victims of perps in modern society. It may seem to be an oxymoron when Not Alone says he feels 'Alone' with the problem.
However he is not QUITE alone - as we, here, are more or less in the same boat as him.
Thank you, Ray, but I am a woman. My husband and I bought drug land. My husband travels and I am here alone for weeks on end.

Only after he leaves on a job does the true harassment begin.

Although... he has been deer hunting for the past week and the perps have made sure to shoot incessantly to run the wildlife off, so he is getting a little taste of the actual harassment also.

60 rounds from 4 different guns in 10 min. from the ho up the road.

7 consecutive shots from another harasser another day.

Bunch of true idiots.

I would love to see some of the perps die behind bars.

That would be justice.

At least you realize what is happening. I was targeted for years and had no clue why any of this was happening.

Just knowing has helped tremendously.

Hope you and other TIs have a happy and stress free day.
tampa

United States

#8885 Nov 19, 2011
LOL on the "ducks" LOL !!!! Caution: THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO PLANT CHILD PORN. this was a threat directed at us by Christine Breen whose husband is sleezy business partners with US ATTY ROBERT E. O'NEILL. I have knowledge of a guy they used to do so and he is now headed to prison for years and years: my guess is he FINALLY GOT SCARED OR KNEW TOO MUCH OR I STARTED TO RUN MY MOUTH and they realized he was a MAJOR LIABILITY since I WAS ON TO THEM. You can look him up yourself.(he's NOT the only one) Clifton Mothershed, formerly of Microstar Computers Tampa FL. It's a long story.

BUT, think ... HOW MANY people have had a child porn OR a trojan child porn file planted by this guy????? Maybe STILL waiting to GO OFF??
tampa

United States

#8886 Nov 19, 2011
Person you were working for: be a bit leery. ANYONE who works with computers and files knows many things can occur, if someone was biotching away about YOUR ability, they were in the wrong as you of course know. I've had work lost BEFORE I became more proactive and never had anything but understanding from the eventual "receiver" of the work. SIX HOURS yes extremely frustrating.
I've had WORD documents start racing backwards before my eyes.
When I began to prepare a lawsuit against "UNNAMED" POS the ENTIRE FILE WAS STOLEN and this is just recently BUT luckily I had put it on a cd. LOL !!! It completely disappeared OVERNIGHT while the computer was shut off. I showed my friend who was here during the WHOLE preparation as I researched statutes and case law. This is what opened the door to a major discovery though.(every sword cuts both ways) So yes ... even all your safeguards will not prevent everything.

The word document did just literally RACE BACKWARDS before my eyes ... not just the one time. page after page disappeared .. it's really pretty stupid because word has the recovery (??????) dumb dumb dumb dumb...

Well Bush has NAZI roots, though I also used the term colloquially.
This bullshit of separate parties IS A JOKE on everyone EVERYWHERE.

It's all masonic bullshit designed to DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

If you have any doubt that most are tricked or deploy artifice to pretend to the sheep they are devoted to a party read ANTONY SUTTON. AND/OR get yourself stalked by a democratic congressperson and a republican attorney general. LOL !!!

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/1...

http://www.antonysutton.com/

He has six other books but that one is available in a .pdf download ripped and scanned. I would suggest saving it because it is quite long and a compelling but sometimes difficult read.

Perhaps NOT FOR YOU as the writing is more your preferred style.

So when I read some of it and his background at the second link I came to the understanding that I was perhaps born a "future target" due to his work at Stanford and the probable involvement of my Grandfather in thwarting the war machine and organizing unions which much of my family participated in.

I note many targets in public life, the same gradual destruction of their persona and attacks on their career and lives even disguised as "marriages", bad managers, etc...

Michael Jackson for one.

Elvis Presley, as well.

Many others I have noted as possible "targets".

I refuse to refer to myself as someone's "victim" .. this is part of their psychological bait. If one is so weak they fall for the patter of how we can "do nothing" or the "problems" will sideline or harm us or "many targets die or commit suicide" then they are IMO perpetrators or at the very least: WEAK AND STUPID.

Jesus Christ himself, perhaps the most prolific peace and occupy (to mirror modern times) activist in history would never have faltered in his FIGHT for justice and for self-preservation if only to protect his WORD and his family.

I don't even give the possibility of defeat a second thought. How droll. No great warrior considers the costs of doing battle AT ALL. For, make no mistake: this IS A WAR.
tampa

United States

#8887 Nov 19, 2011
FloBots:XXYOUTUBE-UDf2r9DnVGUX X

there is a war going on for YOUR MIND.
From their CD: FIGHT WITH TOOLS

And for the Buush KARTEL:(coingate m'fers)
google RAY LEMME BUSH KARTEL MURDER

I can ride my bike with no handlebars

No handlebars, no handlebars

I can ride my bike with no handlebars

No handlebars, no handlebars


Look at me, look at me

Hands in the air like it's good to be

Alive and I'm a famous rapper

Even when the paths are all crookedy


I can show you how to do-si-do

I can show you how to scratch a record

I can take apart the remote control

And I can almost put it back together


I can tie a knot in a cherry stem

I can tell you about Leif Ericson

I know all the words to "De Colores"

And "I'm Proud To Be An American"


Me and my friend saw a platypus

Me and my friend made a comic book

And guess how long it took

I can do anything that I want,‘cause look


I can keep rhythm with no metronome

No metronome, no metronome

And I can see your face on the telephone

On the telephone, on the telephone


Look at me, look at me

Just called to say that it's good to be

Alive in such a small world

I'm all curled up with a book to read


I can make money, open up a thrift store

I can make a living off a magazine

I can design an engine

Sixty four miles to a gallon of gasoline


I can make new antibiotics

I can make computers survive aquatic conditions

I know how to run a business

And I can make you wanna buy a product


Movers, shakers and producers

Me and my friends understand the future

I see the strings that control the system

I can do anything with no assistance


‘Cause I can lead a nation with a microphone

With a microphone, with a microphone

And I can split the atom of a molecule

Of a molecule, of a molecule

Look at me, look at me

Driving and I won't stop

And it feels so good to be alive and on top

My reach is global, my tower secure

My cause is noble, my power is pure


I can hand out a million vaccinations

Or let 'em all die in exasperation

Have 'em all healed of their lacerations

Have 'em all killed by assassination

I can make anybody go to prison

Just because I don't like 'em

And I can do anything with no permission

I have it all under my command


Because I can guide a missile by satellite

By satellite, by satellite

And I can hit a target through a telescope

Through a telescope, through a telescope


And I can end the planet in a holocaust

In a holocaust, in a holocaust

In a holocaust, in a holocaust

In a holocaust!


I can ride my bike with no handlebars

No handlebars, no handlebars

I can ride my bike with no handlebars

No handlebars, no handlebars

Read more: FLOBOTS - HANDLEBARS LYRICS http://www.metrolyrics.com/handlebars-lyrics-...
Copied from MetroLyrics.com

HANDLEBARs is a better song to listen to live if you do not like "rap" at all.

This, in my opinion is more spoken word.

The artists are, quite simply, geniuses. This album "fight with tools" came out at the heighth of the bush kartel administration wherein he was having CDs burned (natalie maines, dixie chicks) when we artists and intellectuals and budding law students were gravely maligned and disrespected and shunned. WHEN YOU LEARNED that when REPUBLICANS ARE IN CHARGE REALLY FOOKED UP STUFF HAPPENS because they are outrageous criminals (not all I believe their party was hi-jacked just as the dems were and I am not a party person by any means) whose greatest strength is they do NOT MIND being hated HATED.

Please give them a listen even if you don't like it their message is STRONG and PURE.

Handlebars is actually VERY CATCHY musically.
Not Alone

Nicholasville, KY

#8888 Nov 19, 2011
Ray wrote:
In the lost message I also mentioned the RC thugs (when I lived in the North of UK) who harassed me (by stalking and verbal abuse and if they could by pushing me around). I identified them and reported them. I was persuaded not to report the matter to the police by a legal-beaver. I take it there was a vigilante operation against the thugs, because very soon after my reporting them. I saw one of them with a broken leg and assumed he had met with a large fast-moving combined harvester on a country road. I had no sympathy because they had been harassing me unjustifiablky for about 6 years
No doubt in my mind targeted individuals' computer use is tracked.

I can only get Windstream Communications here, have had LOTS AND LOTS of problems. The perps even went as far as canceling my internet service.

This was around the time my E-Bay account was hacked and a long blonde wig and a MEDIEVAL CHASTITY BELT was purchased from my account. I never received the items. When E-Bay contacted me for payment, I advised them I had not ordered the items, and it went from there.

If I had my own server, would I have an advantage over Windstream. Do you know?
tampa

United States

#8889 Nov 19, 2011
And so I view with a jaundiced eye anyone who constantly points out the "downfalls" the possible "wins" for the criminals or anything of that nature.

FOOOK THAT. If you intend to win you keep your eye on the prize.

I never think like them or think that what they do has any effect on me. I go about my business of WINNING.

I have my daddy to thank. And my great faith assures me a brighter day is on the horizon. This is not foolish rose-colored glasses thinking but deep, personal knowledge.

Sun TZU.

It would also help anyone to read the Tao of Jeet Kune do.*bruce lee.

If you're so weak you can't reach inside YOURSELF for coping skills and strength you're either fishing for why others won't fall apart or succumb OR you might as well just join the other side or go turn yourself in to a fusion center.

How ridiculous.

Did you miss the part in RUN REDDY RUN where you pick the winning team?

LOL !!!!

It's like rapelling ... you never once EVER allow your thinking to be diverted. They throw all kinsd of stupid shit. Like baseballs at a guy sitting in a dunk tank. While they weren't looking I went ahead and swam down into the ice cold water and immersed myself in ALL POSSIBLE OUTCOMES for as long as it took to note THEM ALL ... and THEN I took a ramrod stiff bar, impervious to any type of corrosion or stress or malignment and I, at great peril and without regard to my own personal strength, jammed it UP TIGHT under my seat in the dunk tank.(it's often referred TO AS BACKBONE)

So I lost a few battles while trapped under ice water ensuring TOTAL PRESERVATION but I won the WAR a long long long time ago.

So stuff it up your ass, losers. I'm seated well.

LMFAO !!

Check it OUT: TI PAPER TRAILS.....

"everyone who doubted me is asking for forgiveness, if you ain't been a part of it at least you got to witness"

"be standing on the top still after they bury me"
tampa

United States

#8892 Nov 19, 2011
I would NEVER even consider joining some type of stupid support group so it's possibly a difference between people.

Support groups sound to me ilke a bunch of whiners ... oh my god... this is awful ... oh my god this is ruining my life .. oh my god ...

screw that. I spend my time productively setting beartraps of the mind .... and then while still working steadily away at MY OWN LIFE and goals laughing pretty good when the hapless idiots are dangling upside down hoisted by their own petards.

STILL LAUGHING !!!!!!!!!!

TAKE THAT HOWARD JENKINS you NAZI CONFEDERATE FLAG WAVING CLOSET STALKER.

Oh I found this site last night where LOOK edit find stalked....

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/supermarkets/p...

APRIL THIRD 2009

recieved death threats from publics managers, stalked by publix managers, made fun of because of disability. harrased at work, reporting harrasment to police caused me to be fired from my job. never recieved report back from fort myers police.publix district managers and corporate office will not return my calls about these serious complaints.

Joel of Fort Myers, FL

PART of the reason I refuse to endorse nearly any nor join nearly any group or bother with emails to unknown entities is I have had "humanists' approach me with cards or "happen to be" where i am ... not just humanists but others of the "helpfuL" sort...

in my humble opinion that they "happened" to show up where I am is a strong indication they know too much about me so their outer intention to "help" is made problematic by the "knowing" and not making it public but instead choosing to "help" by quietly showing up "WHERE I AM" and offering to "help".

It doesn't make sense.

If you google deaths of publix employees you will see how many have died in the last several years. IT IS VERY SINISTER.

Google publix managers arrested. google publix pharmacists who lost their license.(for the record publix SLOWS THAT SITE DOWN you must be VERY PATIENT... publix is just a front for drug trafficking, support for the newly criminal GOP and the rising of the southern hatred as in the SOUTH GONE RISE AGAIN.

I, apparently AM NORTHERN. LOL !!!!!!!!!!
It's just purposely driven HATE fostered by the "divide and conquer" masonic and eastern star brotherhoods and their corporate criminal sponsors.
tampa

United States

#8893 Nov 19, 2011
LUCKY FIND. RealizeD I had actually NOT ever myself googled PUBLIX managers arrested... but have long known and can prove that they HIDE people under names at their retail outlets so assuming it's teh same at corporate, the credit union and obviously AT THE WARE HOUSE.

THEY HAD FBI TEN MOST WANTED MOST VIOLENT CRIMINAL IN CHICAGO here in FLORIDA (many chicago connections in florida currentlY) it appears there might have also been some jury tampering involved.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-06-02...

WTF?????????? and another one defrauded THEM of 53 grand Why would they FIRE HIM? He's perfect for them.
Probably giving kickbacks to teh INTERNAL AUDITOR from my experience of silently observing their internal auditor at play. WTF??????????

Publix is obvously deeply involved in criminal activity in my educated opinion.
NOT ALONE

Nicholasville, KY

#8894 Nov 19, 2011
tampa wrote:
And so I view with a jaundiced eye anyone who constantly points out the "downfalls" the possible "wins" for the criminals or anything of that nature.
FOOOK THAT. If you intend to win you keep your eye on the prize.
I never think like them or think that what they do has any effect on me. I go about my business of WINNING.
Please elaborate on your statement of "jaundiced eye", and what are you winning?
NOT ALONE

Nicholasville, KY

#8895 Nov 19, 2011
tampa wrote:
it appears there might have also been some jury tampering involved.
I KNOW THERE WAS JURY TAMPERING IN MY CASE.
WHAT SHOULD I DO?
Ray

Newton Abbot, UK

#8896 Nov 19, 2011
Not Alone wrote:
<quoted text>
"bought drug land".
I don't fully what "drug land" is.
Is it land that is used for growing illicit drugs?- or -
is it drug baron territory ?
Ray

Newton Abbot, UK

#8897 Nov 19, 2011
* know
tampa

United States

#8898 Nov 19, 2011
There are several important points addressed here.

I disagree with bob s that his all should fall under cointelpro. Such as in computer terminology a file is a directory is a drive etc...

I DO agree with BobS attempt to coalesce a goal for evidence and testimonial presentation ... and I agree that those he mentions are likely frauds.

This s not from bobs website.

Terminology confusion
There has been much confusion as to the proper terminology for this new age crime. Development of a universally agreed apon and understood definition has been slow and frustrating for victims.
Victims agree however that cyberstalking is not a strong or accurate enough term to describe the combination of online and real world abuse they are subjected to.
Federal Case
A Federal court civil rights law suit was filed on 7/9/2010 in the Southern district of New York against the United States and unnamed citizen group for alleged abuses including stalking, conspiracy and assault. The plaintiff claims he is the victim of a Red Squad like crime known as “Gang Stalking.”
Case No. 10 Civ. 05237 (pac)(gay) is posted publicly on Pacer.gov
Implications
The Government has chosen a Facial, instead of Factual defense, asking this Court to dismiss this case under Rule 12(b)(1) and (6). The Government acknowledged for a facial defense, under Rule 12(b)(6), the court is “required to accept the material facts alleged in the complaint as true.”
The Government’s primary facial argument is Sovereign immunity.
Plaintiff argued that Sovereign immunity does not apply in this case because the indiscretions alleged are not official duties of the Government.
Plaintiff cited the case of the: Socialist Workers Party v. Attorney General, 463 F.Supp. 515, 522-24 (S.D.N.Y. 1978). In this case the SWP relied on the theory of ‘prima facie tort’ in connection with the FBI’s (Red Squad) disruption activities. This led to the decision denying the Government’s motion to dismiss certain claims. Socialist Workers Party v. Attorney General, 463 F.Supp. 515, 522-24 (S.D.N.Y. 1978).
The Government replied by arguing that the legal interpretation that granted the SWP an award has subsequently been rejected.
Plaintiff concluded his argument by stating:“If it is decided by this court, due to sovereign immunity, that the American people have no legal cause to act against the government for committing conspiracy, then this court is setting precedence that technically it is legally acceptable for any government official to use third party thugs to attack citizens.”
Media attention
The mainstream media are just starting to acknowledge gang stalking as a unique form of abuse.
The Central Coast News of Santa Cruz California and Kens5 of San Antonio Texas are some of the first.
This issue has been previously discussed on talk shows including Conan O'Brian, Howard Stern, Z100 radio and others.
Books
A private investigator who wrote a book about his observations of one of these groups described members as:“Those who feel powerless, inferior and angry. Leaders focus that anger on their targets. Some members appear to have mental problems. They are empowered by the group.”
Dr. John Hall's book: A New Breed, is an eye witness account of gang stalking.
Ted Gunderson
Theodore L. Gunderson is a retired United States Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent. During his time with the FBI he was involved in the COINTELPRO program.
After retiring from the FBI, Gunderson set up a private investigation firm, Ted L. Gunderson and Associates, in Santa Monica.
He provided an affidavit about Gang Stalking regarding Freedom of Information Request No. 10-00169
tampa

United States

#8899 Nov 19, 2011
some typos in the above ...

The important points are in the copy of the article I posted... the part about BobS was acknowledging I have been to BoBs Website and agree with many points but disagree we need to have one name.... it's too late to shove the term "gangstalking" back in the bag, I believe.

This is an excerpt from the Opinion denying the Government's motion to dismiss in the above-styled case.

The principal grounds urged in the Government's original brief on this motion were that plaintiffs' claims as to the FBI informants are barred by the discretionary function exception, and by the exception relating to claims arising out of misrepresentation and deceit and interference with contract rights, in the Federal Tort Claims Act. 28 U.S.C.§§ 2680(a) and (h). The Government also reiterated an argument which had been raised and decided against the Government on an earlier motion—that the claims based on informant activity are barred by 28 U.S.C.§ 2401(b) because of alleged failure to file a timely administrative claim.
While the motion was pending, the Court of Appeals handed down its decision in Birnbaum v. United States,588 F.2d 319 (2d Cir. 1978), holding that there is no cause of action under the Federal Tort Claims Act for violations of the federal Constitution, since the Constitution is not deemed to be "the law of the place where the act or omission occurred" within the meaning of 28 U.S.C.§ 1346(b). In the same opinion, however, the Court of Appeals held that surreptitious opening of mail by the CIA gave rise to a valid cause of action for invasion of privacy under the Federal Tort Claims Act, and that the cause of action was not barred by the discretionary function exception in 28 U.S.C.§ 2680(a).

.....

However, following the Supreme Court's denial of certiorari on the informant file motion, and contemporaneously with the initiation of contempt proceedings against the Attorney General, the Government filed its new motion seeking to dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction the damage claims against the United States with respect to informant activity. Certain of the points raised—particularly the argument about the statute of limitations—were raised two years ago and decided against the Government. However, there are other points—i. e., the arguments about the discretionary function exception, as applied to the FBI activity, the misrepresentation and deceit exception, and the alleged inapplicability of the theories of trespass, conversion and invasion of privacy—which had never been made, at least to the District Court, prior to the filing of the present motion in June 1978..........

.......

an interesting read if you're so inclined

http://174.123.24.242/leagle/x mlResult.aspx?page=2&xmldo c=1978978463FSupp515_1900.xml &docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985 &SizeDisp=7

Not Alone

Nicholasville, KY

#8900 Nov 20, 2011
Ray wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't fully what "drug land" is.
Is it land that is used for growing illicit drugs?- or -
is it drug baron territory ?
40% of all marijuana grown in the U.S. comes from Kentucky.

We bought the property the goons had designated for growing marijuana and possible meth operations.

That is why I have been targeted.
Ray

Torquay, UK

#8901 Nov 20, 2011
Not Alone wrote:
<quoted text>
40% of all marijuana grown in the U.S. comes from Kentucky.
We bought the property the goons had designated for growing marijuana and possible meth operations.
That is why I have been targeted.
It seesm to me, Not Alone, that you need to complain to someone outside your locality or even outside your stste of Kentucky.
That way you could avoid any corruption, whether the corruption is direct or indirect. By indirect corruption I imply that the perps may have discredited you (for example by gaslighting campaigning) in the eyes of the authorities, who, if lazy, are happy with laissez faire without any boat-rocking.
As an example, here in provincial UK counties we can complain about the police, and an outside police force (here usually the Metropolitan [London] police nay come to independently assess the problem - like a 'second opinion'- outside biassed influences.
I am sure you could present a strong case for such an approach to an outsdie objective body.
So - the reason why you are harassed is because you obstruct the aims of a gang of criminals who have local influence.
And, in protecting their criminal activies they are comitting yet further crimes by harassing you. Is the what you are saying?
Not Alone

Nicholasville, KY

#8902 Nov 20, 2011
Ray wrote:
<quoted text>
It seesm to me, Not Alone, that you need to complain to someone outside your locality or even outside your stste of Kentucky.
That way you could avoid any corruption, whether the corruption is direct or indirect. By indirect corruption I imply that the perps may have discredited you (for example by gaslighting campaigning) in the eyes of the authorities, who, if lazy, are happy with laissez faire without any boat-rocking.
As an example, here in provincial UK counties we can complain about the police, and an outside police force (here usually the Metropolitan [London] police nay come to independently assess the problem - like a 'second opinion'- outside biassed influences.
I am sure you could present a strong case for such an approach to an outsdie objective body.
So - the reason why you are harassed is because you obstruct the aims of a gang of criminals who have local influence.
And, in protecting their criminal activies they are comitting yet further crimes by harassing you. Is the what you are saying?
As I said before, this land has been designated as drug land. I have contacted the state capitol but they are in on it also. And yes, I have been discredited.

I hope my foes burn in hell....
Ray

Newton Abbot, UK

#8903 Nov 20, 2011
Not Alone,

Here are three link of relevance and you might find the third one especially interesting or even useful

The future:
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/01/19/1602619/ke...

This general site:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/sulphur-sprin...

Someone to contact here?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-3...

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