Vaccinated Children 2.5 Times More Likely to Have NDDs

Jun 26, 2007 Full story: Adventures in Autism 34

“The phone survey isn't perfect, but these numbers point to the need for a comprehensive national study to gather this critical information.”

VACCINATED CHILDREN TWO AND A HALF TIMES MORE LIKELY TO HAVE NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS LIKE ADHD AND AUTISM, NEW SURVEY IN CALIFORNIA AND OREGON FINDS http://www.generationrescue.org/survey.html New Findings ... via Adventures in Autism

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SAMMANTHA HELMICK

Ruskin, FL

#1 Jun 27, 2007
I THINK THAT IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT THESE CHILDREN GET THE HELP AND SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED AS WELL AS THEIR FAMILIES. I MYSELF HAVE A 5 YEAR OLD SON WHO IS AUTISTIC, HAS SEVERE ADHD AND A SLEEP DISORDER AND A 2 YEAR OLD WHO IS ADHD AND HAS A SLEEP DISORDER. IT IS WELL OVERDUE THAT SOMETHING CHANGES. IT HAS ALWAYS SEEMED THAT NO ONE KNEW ANYTHING AS TO WHY OR WHAT? IT IS TIME THAT RESEARCH BE DONE IN HOPES THAT WE MAY FIND A CAUSE OR AT LEAST VALUABLE REDIRECTING IN OVERCOMING THIS. THESE CHILDREN DESERVE THAT AND SO DO THEIR FAMILIES.

TAMPA, FL
Payman
#2 Jun 28, 2007
Yeah you are right Samantha.

The answers will come. But before it comes a lot more children will be autistic and a lot of more families will be devastated. Autism is not inclusive but exclusive. No future Papa and Maman are going to be safe from it.
The Real deal

Fontana, CA

#3 Jun 29, 2007
These "vaccinations" do more than just that. It seems all kinds of diseases are affecting children at a growing rate. Look at the huge rise in juvenile diabetes! I think these vaccinations are more trouble than we know!
K Pearson

UK

#4 Aug 3, 2007
The Real deal wrote:
These "vaccinations" do more than just that. It seems all kinds of diseases are affecting children at a growing rate. Look at the huge rise in juvenile diabetes! I think these vaccinations are more trouble than we know!
if they don't have the vaccines , there will be epidemics of Mumps, measles, and rubella. There was autism long before vaccines- it just wasn't known about then. You are causing trouble by helping to spread these silly false rumours - the doctor who started it is now being disciplined by the authorities in Britain.
Dogen3

Chicago, IL

#5 Aug 3, 2007
K Pearson wrote:
<quoted text>You are causing trouble by helping to spread these silly false rumours - the doctor who started it is now being disciplined by the authorities in Britain.
It is not for starting rumors that this Dr. is being diciplined. It is for ethics violations.

There have been a number of studies that have implicated vaccination in the increased rate of autism. It is not a false rumor nor is it an absolute fact but an area that needs more study. Unfortunately some have misused epidemological data to "prove" there is no link and this has actually backfired and made people more skeptical than ever.

On the other hand, we really don't want to go back to the days when children dying was far far more common than today.
Observer_2

Portland, OR

#6 Aug 4, 2007
SAMMANTHA HELMICK wrote:
I MYSELF HAVE A 5 YEAR OLD SON WHO IS AUTISTIC, HAS SEVERE ADHD AND A SLEEP DISORDER AND A 2 YEAR OLD WHO IS ADHD AND HAS A SLEEP DISORDER.
sounds like you better stop having kids.
friend

AOL

#7 Aug 4, 2007
SAMMANTHA
my child has a diagnosed severe sleep disorder, in both onset and sustained sleep. if you haven't done so already, find a sleep disorder clinic and have a sleep study done. there is help for kids who don't sleep and mild medications to help. regardless of the causes for these things, there is help out there for each issue
Jamie Lynn

Dunkirk, NY

#8 Aug 4, 2007
K Pearson wrote:
<quoted text>if they don't have the vaccines , there will be epidemics of Mumps, measles, and rubella. There was autism long before vaccines- it just wasn't known about then. You are causing trouble by helping to spread these silly false rumours - the doctor who started it is now being disciplined by the authorities in Britain.
That is simply not true. Everyone with half a brain knows that autism and numerous other diseases are caused from these vaccines. As long as the sheep continue to listen to the doctors and drug companies, this will continue. The jig is just about up for these greedy vaccine makers.

Parents, you don't have to have these vaccines in America. Most people think it is mandatory, but in every state, there is a way to get an exemption to keep your children safe from the harmful effects of vaccinations.

I've known for 20 years that these vaccines were no good. I just had a gut feeling about it. Research the topic for yourselves and you'll see its true.

Do you really want to put your child's life and health in the hands of these greedy drug companies? Vaccines are huge business, the bread and butter of the pediatric practice. The vaccines are far more dangerous than the diseases they were intended to prevent.
Smoker

Milwaukee, WI

#9 Aug 5, 2007
Mercury and Vaccines (Thimerosal)

At a glance: Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930's. No harmful effects have been reported from thimerosal at doses used in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/concerns/th...
Smoker

Milwaukee, WI

#10 Aug 5, 2007
I like the "with the exception of" part. They have been warning those of us on the Great Lakes for many years to limit the amount of fish we eat from them especially pregnant woman, they say should not eat the fish at all because of mercury contamination but it is somehow not linked to any of the NDDs? How is it okay to inject into children? Or anyone for that matter...
Friend

AOL

#11 Aug 5, 2007
for starters, this article is coming from a blogger, and Generation Rescue who did a phone survey, which is hardly medical evidence.

it's almost annoying to always read 'greedy drug companies' so often. people need to go search how many died in the past from these childhood diseases or were life-long affected by them. in the UK as we speak, measles outbreak and those affected never was vaccinated. Mumps epidemic in 2006, Polio too. until you're a parent of a child effected by one of these childhood diseases, it's real easy to say the diseases themselves are not dangerous. you have your relatives of a generation or 2 ago to thank for vaccines. they begged the scientists to prevent their children from dying, being deaf or brain damaged. maybe people need to speak to the many parents who lost a child to a childhood disease to put it all in perspective.

for those who choose exemptions (which all states are different and not as easily obtained) be sure you don't stand next to a pregnant woman. make sure you're standing next to people who were immunized. I guess all pediatric practices will go out of business then, right? when everyone stops immunizing? I don't know about anyone else, but my child has been to the doctor far more than just for vaccines, and I think their office visit charge alone id their bread ad butter.

everyone with a half a brain knows there is no conclusive link to anything, and of the millions vaccinated all around the world, everyone then would be effected, and it would have started back in the 1930's when Thimerosal was first introduced. would only take one vaccine containing it to do damage.

bottom line, do what you feel is right for your family. phone call surveys are not scientific evidence.
Dogen3

Indianapolis, IN

#12 Aug 5, 2007
Friend wrote:
everyone with a half a brain knows there is no conclusive link to anything, and of the millions vaccinated all around the world, everyone then would be effected, and it would have started back in the 1930's when Thimerosal was first introduced. would only take one vaccine containing it to do damage.
Oh crap. Not this again. You know better. You have admitted better. This is poor logic and, what is worse, you know it is poor logic and ruins (at least for me) what was otherwise a very good post.

What is interesting is the first identification of autism was in the early 1940's with children who were born in the 1930's. Coincidence? Almost certainly. But still fun to point out.
Friend

AOL

#13 Aug 5, 2007
Dogen3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh crap. Not this again. You know better. You have admitted better. This is poor logic and, what is worse, you know it is poor logic and ruins (at least for me) what was otherwise a very good post.
What is interesting is the first identification of autism was in the early 1940's with children who were born in the 1930's. Coincidence? Almost certainly. But still fun to point out.
again, you missed the whole point
have a great day
Dogen3

Chicago, IL

#14 Aug 5, 2007
Friend wrote:
<quoted text>
again, you missed the whole point
have a great day
Again you failed to make a point when you had a perfect opportunity.

Your argument is:

If a then b.

A Perfect analogy of your argument (as worded) would be: We are all exposed to the sun therefor we should all get skin cancer.

You can avoid the pattern 1 fallicy by a simple rewording of the argument and adding a qualifier.

It is not a matter of being nit picky. Your argument as stated is completely wrong.
Friend

AOL

#15 Aug 5, 2007
thanks for the help
have a great day
K Pearson

India

#16 Aug 6, 2007
Dogen3 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not for starting rumors that this Dr. is being disciplined. It is for ethics violations.
There have been a number of studies that have implicated vaccination in the increased rate of autism. It is not a false rumor nor is it an absolute fact but an area that needs more study. Unfortunately some have misused epidemological data to "prove" there is no link and this has actually backfired and made people more skeptical than ever.
On the other hand, we really don't want to go back to the days when children dying was far far more common than today.
it has had all the study it needs to PROVE it is untrue, not telephone polls, but real clinical studies. This doctor is responsible for an enormous amount of worry and suffering.
Dogen3

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Aug 6, 2007
K Pearson wrote:
<quoted text>it has had all the study it needs to PROVE it is untrue, not telephone polls, but real clinical studies. This doctor is responsible for an enormous amount of worry and suffering.
This is not true. There has not been one study that a real scientist would take seriously that have PROVED it is untrue. Zero. Zip. Nada.

There are not even any studies that imply it is untrue for any given individual. So far all we have is epidemilogical study data which CANNOT prove that. It is NOT possible to prove that with that type of data. They CAN SUGGEST that it may not be true and some have been way to quick to make this claim.

What people don't seem to realize is this sort of stuff gets called out in the professional literature (and it has) and THIS makes people more fearful and (frankly) paranoid. THIS is what makes them stop immunizing their children. Not some academic argument. In the modern world people see on a daily basis that their governments lie to them. It does not take much to tip the scale into full blown paranoia. Nothing that one doctor has said makes much of a difference either way.
Friend

AOL

#18 Aug 6, 2007
actually, if we're speaking about the one doctor in question, what he was working in never contain thimerosal so the idea of a lying government never would hold water.

there is actually many studies out there, pointing evidence to either way. some large ones at that from other countries.

what that one doctor did in fact caused hysteria in that country and beyond and it is documented that it did. it is also documented that his one study was flawed, had critical errors and many of them.
Dogen3

Indianapolis, IN

#19 Aug 6, 2007
Friend wrote:
actually, if we're speaking about the one doctor in question, what he was working in never contain thimerosal so the idea of a lying government never would hold water.
there is actually many studies out there, pointing evidence to either way. some large ones at that from other countries.
what that one doctor did in fact caused hysteria in that country and beyond and it is documented that it did. it is also documented that his one study was flawed, had critical errors and many of them.
Not specifically about him, but yes there was a stink in the media. However these things to not catch on and keep burning without something feeding it. The CDC which has the (enormous and unenviable) task of fighting infectious diseases has misread the psychology of the people it is trying to sway.

You know what side I am on here. We MUST continue to fight against these child killers! I just think, in complete hindsight, that the CDC could have handled this better from a PR standpoint. Many people need little reason to be governmentaphobes. The implication (true or false) of data manipulation pushes many over that edge.
Friend

AOL

#20 Aug 6, 2007
through out all of history, and not just within autism, fear spewed many a things without ever having much factual knowledge ever known. maybe by rights those should question things but this one doctor is responsible for fear based on his critical flawed study and the fear he started solely, people base it upon that one thing. that stink still smells today. the whole study should be erases from history. it's surprising no one bothered to question things prior on their own. it also doesn't take much to see where fear is fed and they 'governmentaphobes' is more a reasoning method and a scapegoat in my opinion. regardless if I believe in it or not, vaccination choices are there in most but 2 states. most parents didn't bother to know this until after the fact, so if here is blame, it is shared blame. answers need to be found, however they wont be found with studies of the sort. it also depends on what a person reads, as to what they retain or/and argue.
who has time for it.
when they find the answer, trust me, we'll all know about it

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