Spanking Children Against The Law?

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If this zany idea were to become law, California could be the place where the nanny state meets the authoritarian state.
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Spanking should be against the law because it involves hitting the child forcefully. It is a form of abuse that has been totally ignored, as with hitting one with a belt or any found objects that can inflict wounds and bruises. Spanking doesn't positively change or correct bad behavior but to create or empower a child to become immune to pain so that he would be inflicting pain against other children with a mixture of defiance and pleasure. I feel that spanking can enforce bullying tactics mostly used by bullies simply because they can't manage their anger appropriatly and they can't act out against their parents, otherwise their parents would give them more brutal punishment than usual. Usually, men commit more child abuses than women.
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What has our country come to that it is clogged with bills like this??? Next thing you know it will be illegal to send criminals to jail because it is psychologically traumatizing to the inmate.

There is too much room for interpretation in the child spanking matter. There is also a big difference between beating a child and giving them a little corrective swat on the butt or the back of their hand to get their attention.

As the mother of a 2-1/2 year old, I can tell you that if we play the "mommy said no" game over and over, or count to three and go to the corner, it becomes exactly that - a game - and the undesirable behavior not only continues but grows exponentially. This puts the child, not the adult, in control of behavioral situations. Isn't withholding discipline and raising a nation of disrespectful unruly children also child abuse in the form of child neglect? And how about circumstances when a child persists and poses a danger to himself or someone else if he doesn't respect that there is a greater authority?

In our house as in most of middle-class America, spankings are different than the old-fashioned belt-whippings this bill has been created to prevent. I see nothing wrong with a swat on the behind the third or fourth time my toddler has pushed a chair to the kitchen counter to climb up and grab a glass or sharp knife despite being pulled down and told a stern "no"...in fact I am protecting him by doing so.

Most parents who spank do so with discretion as it has no effect if it is used as a primary or common form of discipline; it is reserved as a last resort attention getter, to startle the child into paying attention to the parent as an authority figure, not to cause physical injury or pain. I agree that those who hit repeatedly or with an object should be penalized, but existing child abuse laws already cover this aspect.

If this law passes we are going to raise a nation of beligerent bullies and God help us all when we are senior citizens and they're the ones in charge of our country!
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spanking is for discipline sometimes parents use it as abuse but how else would children lean come up with one
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Anne wrote:
Spanking should be against the law because it involves hitting the child forcefully. It is a form of abuse that has been totally ignored, as with hitting one with a belt or any found objects that can inflict wounds and bruises. Spanking doesn't positively change or correct bad behavior but to create or empower a child to become immune to pain so that he would be inflicting pain against other children with a mixture of defiance and pleasure. I feel that spanking can enforce bullying tactics mostly used by bullies simply because they can't manage their anger appropriatly and they can't act out against their parents, otherwise their parents would give them more brutal punishment than usual. Usually, men commit more child abuses than women.
i agree ann....it teaches children that learning is a painful experience. why not change learning to a loving happy experience. bullies are more than likely in an oppressed envoirnment where they feel no control or real healthy personal identity. violence just creates a more violent world. like i have said in my past posts human beings all of them are precious and quite possibly if all children are treated this way by their parents they will not grow up and add abuse and hostility to an already hostile world.

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Give it up Anon...you're going to get your butt spanked on yet another thread! LOL!
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i totally agree with the spanking law. anger sometimes has no limit and spanking can cause damage physically and mentally to a child. that's an act of violence, no matter how you spank your child. I was a good kid, listening to my parents and following their wills just because i love them so much that i tried to avoid hurting or upset them. Teach your child with love. it always works well
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i agree ann....it teaches children that learning is a painful experience. why not change learning to a loving happy experience. bullies are more than likely in an oppressed envoirnment where they feel no control or real healthy personal identity. violence just creates a more violent world. like i have said in my past posts human beings all of them are precious and quite possibly if all children are treated this way by their parents they will not grow up and add abuse and hostility to an already hostile world.
tiffany

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Jan 29, 2007
 
but is spanking a child againest the law?!
tiffany

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Jan 29, 2007
 
but is it againest the law?8331
tiffany

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Jan 29, 2007
 
is it against the law?!

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Jan 29, 2007
 
tiffany wrote:
is it against the law?!
No, it is not against the law at the moment.
Spanky and the Gang 2

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Jan 30, 2007
 
Debbysnack wrote:
Give it up Anon...you're going to get your butt spanked on yet another thread! LOL!
Apparently spanking is quite sexy to Anon!
Debbysnack, maybe Anon is just saying spaking is in vogue!

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Spanky and the Gang 2 wrote:
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Apparently spanking is quite sexy to Anon!
Debbysnack, maybe Anon is just saying spaking is in vogue!
Well she sure spends a huge amount of time discussing the up and downs of spanking.
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way off base blanketing spanking as abuse or teaches anger and violence.... will a police officer spank you if you dont recognize his higher authority ... or will a husband spank you for insulting his wife/kids/mother ... to teach children that there isnt real physical , legal ways of physcal retribution out there is lieing to them... and when you smack a smart mouth puberbtiy victim for calling his mother and teachers stupid is that abuse or common sense , children are not born knowing it all how can you possibly expect them to not ever be disciplined ... maybe we should take something away... ok no xbox ... he grabs the gameboy ... ok no gameboy ... he watches tv .. plays mp3 and the game continues ... finally he is total lock down locked in his room like a prisoner for 2 weeks ... i am guilty of neglect now LOL

people without kids need to not tell others how to raise yours ...'til you have tried every trick in the book to reason with your little monsters unrulyness and have them tell you your stupid , or spit food at you or at guest in your home. or how about when they are hitting their younger sibling and you say stop .. po little brother gets another one .. I SAID STOP !!! smack little bro gets it again :(... good parents would look away or try to reason further while a whooping is underway on one their babies ?....

I guess first and foremost i should have pointed out that the proposed amendment was for hitting toddlers .. 3 years and under

grow up we dont live around in fantasy land your idealistic thinking goes against the very fabric of our society and a father's right to raise a responsible young man without fear of the law for minor spankings .. i'd rather spank my son once get the problem out and solved and let them know exactly how i feel , then confuse them on my intentions or the right or wrongness of situations kids have always gotten themselves in.
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I was spanked as a child and I really didn't learn anything from it. All I learned was to fear my parents. I think every parent should watch super nanny. She has great alternatives to spanking. It might take a few hundred tries but they will catch on. What we all need to learn as parents, is patients. I have so much patients with my two year old; my mother is socked and praises me for it. There are times when my two year old has a temper tantrum and I just take him into another room sit him down and count backward to him. He screams and hits and goes nuts but after three times of counting from 10 to 1 he calms down give me a big hug and is happy the rest of the day. My mom told me that back in her day she would have been spanked and yelled at. Back in my day she would have spanked and yelled at me. We all have the chance to change what has been going on for years, ANGER. So instead of blowing up at things, handle them in a calm matter. You can think more clearly and solve any problem more accurately. Just like an argument if you stay calm, keep your voice low and talk instead of curse and yell. The argument will be cut short and you won't have to apologize afterward. If people could just learn to control themselves, stay calm, and have patients this world would be a better place. No more rage = no more deaths, beating, etc. The only way to make peace is to teach peace. So why scream, yell and hit when you can talk, be patient, understanding, and love. Instead of spanking, explain to your child what they did wrong, why it's wrong and the right way of doing it. When my son used to hit in anger, I would squat down to his level, tell him that hitting is not nice and we do not hit. Then I would take him to a time out for him to calm down for 2 minutes. When I went into get him I would repeat we do not hit, hitting hurts. Then he would give me a big hug and go back to playing with a better mood. Yeah it took a couple more minutes then a quick spank but he will grow up knowing how to calm himself before reacting with anger. When you spank you're teaching the child to react with anger. This brings on many negative outcomes. My son no longer hits, and when he gets angry we do our counting. A lot of adults need to learn how to count.
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Anne excuse me but your an idiot.

In the politically correct season of today, there is more violence and perversion going on than ever.

In the old days where kids were disciplined commonly, we didn't have all these school shootings now did we?

Your logic is ridiculous, and so are you, and the characters you're creating to agree with you.

You can't fight common sense sweety.
grand-ma

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Proverb 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. You can spank your children without abusing them and It wont make them go up to be abusive or bullies. Any excuse is better then none.
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For too long, tooooo longggggggg... women have plead the case of domestic violence... while demanding the right to 'do violence!!! as single moms.. being the principle bully in their child's life... promoting violence as the best form of parental domination... get over it!!! Spanking should be banned... and more than spanking... yelling at children, calling them foul names, lying to them of their dads, and lots more... in the true best interest of children.. the day has long arrived to dump the gender bias myth that moms are the property holders of our children with the right to punish with torture and terrorism... before defenders of spanking zap defense mail... forget it... in public would you, woman, want your man, father, etc. yelling at you.. pulling your hair.. screaming foul names while repeating loudly you should have used the bathroom when you were told before leaving the house? Whoever does not want to ban spanking our most vulnerable young population... line up to be spanked with correction.. you're wrong! Solution: BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION, NUTURING LOVE, PARENTAL CARING CRITICAL THINKING, SHARED RESPONSIBLE PARENTING BY MOM AND DAD HAVING CUSTODY OR HONESTY.. WHEN MOM IS A LOUSY UNFIT PERSON... AND DAD IS FIT... SUPPORT THE MOST APPROPRIATE PARENT, DAD, HAVING CUSTODY. STOP GIVING SPANKERS PERMISSION TO TEACH VIOLENCE BY EXECUTING IT ON YOUNG MALES WHO MAY IN SOME FORM RETURN THE 'FAVOR', ONLY TO BE DULY CONVICTED. AND CLERGY, STOP TEACHING 'SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE CHILD' PREACH "REPLACE THE ROD AND LOVE THE CHILD" TOO MANY YOUTH COMPLAIN OF THEIR HURT AND LOSS OF NOT HAVING DADS, AND MOMS BEING TOO BUSY, OR UNWILLING, TO LISTEN AND COMPETENTLY PARENT THEM... AS ADULTS MANY SWEAR.. TO BE OKAY.. AS THEIR FAMILIES FAIL.. AND THE REPEAT THE VIOLENT INTERGENERATIONAL ABUSE CYCLES.. CREATING 'GANGS','THUGS' AND 'UNDESIRABLE CITIZENS' WHO MAY BE HONORED AS GREAT... FOR DOING POLICE BRUTALITY OR TORTURE ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS OF WAR TORN NATIONS... ALL HAVE MY SUPPORT THAT 'WE' PARENTS... DON'T NEED GOVERNMENT IN OUR PARENTING.. STEALING MORE OF OUR PARENTAL FREEDOM... AND PERFECTING EXCUSES TO WRONGLY DEPRIVE PARENTS OF CUSTODY, ETC. WITH MERE ALLEGATIONS AND SPECIAL COURTS, AS WITH DCFS AND CHILD PROTECTION SERVICES.. ETC. SO HOW DO WE BAN SPANKING WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT USING A NEW NO SPANKING LAW TO UNFAIRLY PREVENT PARENT EMPOWERMENT? PARENTS MUST BE UNITED IN A PARENT POWER MOVEMENT, AGREE NOT TO SPANK, SHARE EFFECTIVE PARENTAL METHODS, AND BE OUR OWN WATCHDOG, ENFORCEMENT AND ENHANCEMENT FORCE. IT BEGINS WITH YOU DECIDING NOT TO SPANK, AND TELLING THE GOVERNMENT.. YOU WON'T. YOUR CHILD WILL LOVE YOU TO LISTEN TO THEIR AND SPEND TIME WITH THEM, INSTEAD OF SPANKING, BLAMING AND NEGLECTING... THEIR HOLOSTIC NEEDS. Heard of the Nonviolence movement... JOin the dues free.. INTERNATIONAL PARENT POWER MOVEMENT.. simply by being a good parent who will focus on doing what is in the best interest of yourself, our children and your spouse (Violence never belongs in the same sentence with Family)-LA Black Dad
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Anne wrote:
Spanking should be against the law because it involves hitting the child forcefully. It is a form of abuse that has been totally ignored, as with hitting one with a belt or any found objects that can inflict wounds and bruises. Spanking doesn't positively change or correct bad behavior but to create or empower a child to become immune to pain so that he would be inflicting pain against other children with a mixture of defiance and pleasure. I feel that spanking can enforce bullying tactics mostly used by bullies simply because they can't manage their anger appropriatly and they can't act out against their parents, otherwise their parents would give them more brutal punishment than usual. Usually, men commit more child abuses than women.
So Spanking should be against the law in this country ha Anne??, what are liberals like you gonna comeup with next??. Are liberals like you Anne gonna start penalizing us for not lockingup our bikes??. Anne...this is a Godgiven free country ok...you are not to infringe on anyones rights to there U.S. Constitution on what goes on in the privacy of there own homes. Its a parents freedom of choice Anne of how he should wanna raise his children and thats certainatly none of your business. This country is all about democracy, we dont live in a communist totalitarian country yet until Dictators like you wanna take away those rights that people wanna excercise. Thats how liberals are when it comes to child abuse, they see one case where a parent burns there child with hot water and comparing that of a parent who uses a belt to there child. Liberals wanna slap a paint brush to both cases. See Anne, your really not about stoping child abuse, all you want to do is take away peoples rights of the individual of what goes on in there home. Face it Anne, liberals arent out to stop bigger crimes like drugs and gangs. Liberals such as yourselves are out to control peoples lives the same way of how these communist leaders did when they governed things there way all for themselves
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benetton wrote:
i totally agree with the spanking law. anger sometimes has no limit and spanking can cause damage physically and mentally to a child. that's an act of violence, no matter how you spank your child. I was a good kid, listening to my parents and following their wills just because i love them so much that i tried to avoid hurting or upset them. Teach your child with love. it always works well<quoted text>
Oh shutup...again here we go with the "ohh spanking can cause physical and mental damage to the kids self esteem" that sort of thing. Spanking disiplines your kids idiot, so going by YOUR laws we should allow the kids to have more rights over the parents to just do whatever the heck they wanna do right??. You liberals are so controlling i swear you wanna try and control the lives of others by telling them what they should or shouldnt do with there kids in there OWN homes. Kind of reminds me of Nazi Germany when Hitler gave the kids most of the rights over the parents to just report there parents to the nazi socialistic police for everytime there parents laid a hand on them. Thats where you liberals pickup your controlling ideas from, Nazi Germany and Hitlers controlling dictating ways. If you dont use physical disipline on your kids the old fashion way like my father did to me, your kids will walk all over you and take you for weak benetton, they will feel unloved and and have control over your weak ***
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Heather wrote:
What has our country come to that it is clogged with bills like this??? Next thing you know it will be illegal to send criminals to jail because it is psychologically traumatizing to the inmate.
There is too much room for interpretation in the child spanking matter. There is also a big difference between beating a child and giving them a little corrective swat on the butt or the back of their hand to get their attention.i agree Heather
As the mother of a 2-1/2 year old, I can tell you that if we play the "mommy said no" game over and over, or count to three and go to the corner, it becomes exactly that - a game - and the undesirable behavior not only continues but grows exponentially. This puts the child, not the adult, in control of behavioral situations. Isn't withholding discipline and raising a nation of disrespectful unruly children also child abuse in the form of child neglect? And how about circumstances when a child persists and poses a danger to himself or someone else if he doesn't respect that there is a greater authority?
In our house as in most of middle-class America, spankings are different than the old-fashioned belt-whippings this bill has been created to prevent. I see nothing wrong with a swat on the behind the third or fourth time my toddler has pushed a chair to the kitchen counter to climb up and grab a glass or sharp knife despite being pulled down and told a stern "no"...in fact I am protecting him by doing so.
Most parents who spank do so with discretion as it has no effect if it is used as a primary or common form of discipline; it is reserved as a last resort attention getter, to startle the child into paying attention to the parent as an authority figure, not to cause physical injury or pain. I agree that those who hit repeatedly or with an object should be penalized, but existing child abuse laws already cover this aspect.
If this law passes we are going to raise a nation of beligerent bullies and God help us all when we are senior citizens and they're the ones in charge of our country!
your right Heather, the child will have way more authority over the parents if they let there kids do whatever they want

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