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[guest]

Auto Mechanic wrote:

This country was founded on Religious freedom, atheists can move their butts to china for all I care.

exactly...this is a christian nation and if the athiests don't like in God we trust then yes, i agree...they need to move to china and stop trying to tear down america's christian heritage...

[John Sarico]

wolverine wrote:

A Soul Is In My Opinion A Breath From Gods Lungs...Yes We Have Life, But A Breath Of The Holy Spirit Is What Gives Us Our Will To Pick Between Right And Wrong...It Is The Reason We All Feel The Need To Find The Truth....An Animal, While Being A Glorious Creation From GOD....Lives Its Life On Instinct...Not Caring If It Right Or Wrong...Not Searching For The Truth ! Just My Humble Opinion !

anything but humble is your relentless BS. Your constatutionally incapable of being honest with yourself.

[Really]

guest wrote:

animals do not have a soul...God created animals for the specific use of food for human beings...

No way... if that's true, my dogs are going to be pissed. <g>

[Blinded By the Right]

Redhead62 wrote:

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First, I am not Catholic. 2nd, just because you disagree with me, why should I slap my forehead and say, "Oh of course, you are so right." Sorry. I know of NO Christian religion that believes animals go to Heaven. At best, we don't know, but it is unlikely since they have no soul. So, which animal was it that told you they feel guilt? Animals are AMORAL, thus, no guilt. Animals can communicate with other animals, but no animal can sit down and have a conversation with you. My examples may not be the best, but the bottom line still applies.
Funny, I don't hear the Christians on this site calling names, cursing, being downright nasty, etc. Why is it the non-believers feel a need to be so abusive in their replies?

Well, it didn't take long for someone to prove you wrong on that last score. Might I suggest you look at post 3340 and tell me why us athiests should be respectful?

[Redhead62]

Bearing wrote:

redhead62,
"There are "mountains of evidence" for many things...UFO's, Poltergiests, Big Foot, "Nessie", etc."
Actually there is no evidence for those 4 myths. Never has been. That is why they are "myths" and delusions. None of those things have been scientifically verified, nor do they stand up to repeatable tests via objective observations.
You are still a ****.
offer some evidence for your claims if you do not want to prove that you are not willfully ignorant.

Exactly my point.....they are myths, but many people would say there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Why is it necessary for you to call me names? I do not have to prove that God is real. That's what faith is based on. I believe He is real because He makes himself known to me. I wonder who is willfully ignorant when God's presence is all around us?

[Redhead62]

Blinded By the Right wrote:

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Well, it didn't take long for someone to prove you wrong on that last score. Might I suggest you look at post 3340 and tell me why us athiests should be respectful?

I checked 3340. I did not write it. I am not responsible for what others write. There are fanantics on both sides of this issue. Overall, the Christians have been much more respectful than the non-believers. Just because someone has a different opinion about whether animals can feel all the emotions of a human, doesn't mean I am wrong. Yes, animals feel pleasure, pain, boredom, etc. but not all emotions. They have no MORALS. That was my main pount.

[Redhead62]

Really wrote:

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No way... if that's true, my dogs are going to be ****. <g>

Animals were made for humans. Some for food, some for labor, some for PETS. Your dog is in no danger....unless you live in a culture that eats dogs.

[Redhead62]

guest wrote:

animals do not have a soul...God created animals for the specific use of food for human beings...

Not true. Some were, but many were for labor and many for pets.

[Fair is Fair]

The reason it is wrong is because stating "in god we trust" indicates that this is the majority belief that is the foundation of this country and our government. The foundation of our country and government is government by the people, for the people. Not everyone in this country has the same beliefs. Some believe in god, some do not, some have religions have drastically different views and practices than other religions, even though their language and word all may translate to the word "god", each religion's and ethnicity's translation for "god" is NOT the same. Even Christians, "new born Christians" and Catholics all have differences amongst their beliefs. Regardless, would you be ok with a government building saying "In atheism we trust" ? If you answer no, that is not ok, then your issue is that you claim the MAJORITY are believers in god. Are non-believers not American too? That's wrong to say. That's prejudice.

[Responsibility please]

Redhead62 wrote:

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First, I am not Catholic. 2nd, just because you disagree with me, why should I slap my forehead and say, "Oh of course, you are so right." Sorry. I know of NO Christian religion that believes animals go to Heaven. At best, we don't know, but it is unlikely since they have no soul. So, which animal was it that told you they feel guilt? Animals are AMORAL, thus, no guilt. Animals can communicate with other animals, but no animal can sit down and have a conversation with you. My examples may not be the best, but the bottom line still applies.
Funny, I don't hear the Christians on this site calling names, cursing, being downright nasty, etc. Why is it the non-believers feel a need to be so abusive in their replies?

Again and again, you speak as if you're some authority, then you admit "I don't know of any..." The lies and hate that religion brings to the world disgusts and bores me. I'll waste no more of my time on it, here. Do a little research before you spew. Here's a couple places for you to start.
http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoestheb...
http://www.ourchurch.com/member/w/w_lasalle/
If you haven't heard the "christians on this site calling names, cursing, being downright nasty, etc." Then you haven't been reading the site much.
And remember: It's all a joke. You're right animals don't go to heaven,'CAUSE THERE AIN'T NO SUCH PLACE!

[Redhead62]

Responsibility please wrote:

<quoted text>Again and again, you speak as if you're some authority, then you admit "I don't know of any..." The lies and hate that religion brings to the world disgusts and bores me. I'll waste no more of my time on it, here. Do a little research before you spew. Here's a couple places for you to start.
http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoestheb...
http://www.ourchurch.com/member/w/w_lasalle/
If you haven't heard the "christians on this site calling names, cursing, being downright nasty, etc." Then you haven't been reading the site much.
And remember: It's all a joke. You're right animals don't go to heaven,'CAUSE THERE AIN'T NO SUCH PLACE!

It appears you are the one that needs a little self-control. I have not lied to anyone and I sure don't hate anyone on this site or anywhere else. Even when I was a non-believer, I knew hate takes a lot of eneregy. Hate does not make for a better world.

I never claimed to have ALL the answers. If I don't know, unlike you, I will admit it. Sorry you feel so much animosity for me & other Christians. We are on this site for one reason....we hope you will understand our love for God, even if you choose not to follow Him yourself.

[Responsibility please]

Redhead62 wrote:

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It appears you are the one that needs a little self-control. I have not lied to anyone and I sure don't hate anyone on this site or anywhere else. Even when I was a non-believer, I knew hate takes a lot of eneregy. Hate does not make for a better world.
I never claimed to have ALL the answers. If I don't know, unlike you, I will admit it. Sorry you feel so much animosity for me & other Christians. We are on this site for one reason....we hope you will understand our love for God, even if you choose not to follow Him yourself.

You lie when you say there's a god. "You"and the rest of your blind believers, are on this site because the only way the religious lies can last is if people say them over and over and over, and then the fools who don't use their own brains but rather follow the heard, become intimidated by the "follow us or go to hell" garbage. And they start repeating the same garbage. Religious jerks are mainly responsible for the hateful prop 8 here in CA, where legitimate CA adult citizens are denied their legal rights, because religious hate-mongers spread lies,(i.e.: homosexuality will be taught in schools),that scared many people into supporting that un-American legislation. Religion teaches people to be a bigot, to fear, hate or attack, those who do not believe the same fairy tales. Religion preaches the word of man and any "god" that would have anything to do with any of these evil institutions, is no god of mine. Period. Say all the prayers you want, it's a huge waist of time. People who don't believe in your religious fairy tales don't "hate" you, we hate the way you make America a weaker, less humane, less understanding place, for all her citizens. Too bad you're blinded by lies to understand.

[Bearing]

Redhead62,

You are even more of a ridiculous simpleton than I first thought. It is obvious that you choose not to occupy much of the world, nor even look around at it very much.

you wrote:
"Animals were made for humans. Some for food, some for labor, some for PETS."

I don't even know where to start.....I know I will not get a fair or insightful answer, but here is a mental exercise for you in regards to your statement I just quoted.

Which of the three "made for humans" categories do the following fall into.....the malaria causing bacteria dwelling within mosquitos, the vampire octopus, the mites that occupy the base of human eyelashes, the worms that surround deep sea hydrothermal vents, the copepods found only under Antarctic ice.

Pets and farm animals make up a tiny tiny fraction of the animals on this planet. Maybe from your point of view all the animals I just listed are just a hoax perpetrated by us gall-danged god-less liburuls!

[Jim P]

Rondian wrote:

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Jesus saves those who save themselves. Amen.

That's not even good Sunday School theology.
Your bible says it is impossible for anyone to be saved by their own efforts lest anyone boast of this. Elsewhere it makes clear god plans to save some and damn others and no one can earn it.

[Jim P]

Auto Mechanic wrote:

This country was founded on Religious freedom, atheists can move their butts to china for all I care.

You sir have a most odd view on what freedome means then.

Using the same logic imnplies that freedom of speech does not allow anyone to remain silent since only speaking has freedom.

Freedom to do something also includes the freedom to refrain from doing.

As Jefferson said "It neither breaks my arm nor picks my pockets if a man have one god or many gods or no god at all."

That is also why the Constituion forbids *any* religious test to hold any public office or "office of trust".

[I am just saying]

Bearing wrote:

Redhead62,
You are even more of a ridiculous simpleton than I first thought. It is obvious that you choose not to occupy much of the world, nor even look around at it very much.
you wrote:
"Animals were made for humans. Some for food, some for labor, some for PETS."
I don't even know where to start.....I know I will not get a fair or insightful answer, but here is a mental exercise for you in regards to your statement I just quoted.
Which of the three "made for humans" categories do the following fall into.....the malaria causing bacteria dwelling within mosquitos, the vampire octopus, the mites that occupy the base of human eyelashes, the worms that surround deep sea hydrothermal vents, the copepods found only under Antarctic ice.
Pets and farm animals make up a tiny tiny fraction of the animals on this planet. Maybe from your point of view all the animals I just listed are just a hoax perpetrated by us gall-danged god-less liburuls!

WORKER/FOOD
mosquitos= Food for reptiles

WORKER/FOOD
the vampire octopus -Copepods, prawns and cnidarians have all been reported as prey of Vampire Squid. Little else is known regarding their feeding habits, but considering their environment, a fussy palate is unlikely. Vampire Squid have been found among the stomach contents of large deepwater fish, deep diving whales, and pinnipeds such as sea lions.

WORKER
Mites are very tiny or even microscopic. There are more than 30,000 species of mites. In the mite group, there are mites that are HERBIVORES (HERB-uh-vores), CARNIVORES (CAR-nuh-vores), parasitic (pear-ah-SIT-ick), and many that are SAPROPHYTIC (sap-row-FIT-ick).

WORKER
Tube Worms- They have a highly vascularized, red "plume" at the tip of their free end which is an organ for exchanging compounds with the environment (e.g., H2S, CO2, O2, etc).

FOOD
Among the wonders of the deep are predatory sponges that eat copepods, little crustaceans. The sponges "are really nasty, though small", said Professor Brandt, from the University of Hamburg.

[Bearing]

I am just saying,
First..thanks for acknowledging that it was fair to summize that I responded to the argument ofthis topic and to particular statements made by the christian posters before I gave my frank opinions about the people who post such nonsesnse.
Also, thanks for asking for specific authority and evidence for my claims. Now you are posting some sense. I'd love to back up everything I post with credible evidence and authority instead of "feelings' and MYTHS.
Now on to your specific comments and requests:
" A lack of evidence does not mean that something does not exist.
Because no evidence exists of Gold on Mars, does not mean there is no gold on Mars."
I agree. I would not be surprised if there were gold on Mars because gold is a physical element in our universe and its presence can be verified through multiple objectional, logical, repeatable means. I do not think it is fair for you or anyone else demand that I believe there is gold on Mars simply because you and some others have a strong feeling that gold exists on Mars and because some of your ancestors wrote ancient fairy tales that involved magical gold on Mars. I would find it silly that you find it incredulous that I can't jsut look up at mars in the night sky and feel the presence of gold on Mars. Can't I just mditate on it and let the grace of gold on Mars fill my heart with its warm color and the incredible potential value of this rare element....Oh, praise be to Gold.(by the way thanks for the great metaphorical element);)
I am just saying quoted & wrote:
"Bearing wrote:
Here is another: Straight from your silly bible: A human does not remain alive and reproduce for hundreds of years.
" Again, you resort to attacks, Poisoning The Wells: discrediting the sources used by your opponent. This is a variation of Ad Hominem.
You do not provide a reference to your claim""
Thanks again...here are some references for my claim of bilblical silliness in regards to human age:
*Methuselah was a descendant of Adam who lived to be 969 years old, according to the Bible. Methuselah is not a major figure in the Bible; he is mentioned only in passing in Genesis, 1 Chronicles 1:3, and Luke 3:37. According to the King James version of Genesis 5:25-27, "And Methuselah lived a hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech. And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
*Enoch lived to be 365 years old. Jude 1:14,15

[Bearing]

I am just saying,

I want to respond also to your criticism of me not providing evidence.....

I am just saying wrote:
" You claimed there was mountains of evidence, but again did not provide any."

Actaully I have. I have provided refereed scientific literature citations (eg. manuscript on African elephant brain composition in relation to chemical memory) that got not a single response from the ubiquitous, willfully ignorant christians. This does not surprise me. In the years that I have discussed and argued with fundamentalists christians about the known universe, evolution vs. creationism, animals, plants, lack of evidense for a personal omnipotent god, and about the seperation of church and state, I have never had a single christian actaully acknowledge, much less read and study any peer reviewed scientific literature that i offer on the different subject. When I say well documented, I mean well documented (objective empiraical evidence that is verifiable such as repeatable experimental results, credible video footage from different and non-related individuals and scientific teams, etc. etc.)
I would be more than happy to provide both the authority and the specific evidence for every single thing that I post. My experience is that it is wasted effort, because if the people that arguing with had any empathy for evidence or did any historical reading, or performed even a modicum of homework on the subjects,they would have no need for the argument in the first place. People like redhead62, wolverine, guest from paragould AR are immune to evidence and scientific results. They are also immune to history, archeology, geology, and biblical scholarship. Over and over and over again they prove to me that they are not comfortable with critical analysis of evidence, but much prefer the laziness and comfort of regurgitating tha dogma that they are exposed to by family, friends, and clerics on a daily basis. Narratives and myths are powerful things to the human mind and I understand why they believe the things they believe. I do not doubt their sincerity at all.I would never prevent them from believing in whatever religion they want. But that is not the important point of all this. the point is that they continually try to force their religion and myths upon me, my children, and upon all the citizens of this country. They aslo try to influence my political representatives, the powerful political appointees which are in charge of critical policies. The Dover PA case and the Bush administration's blatant misuse and willful backlash of scientific evidence, are both real recent happenings. This religious BS continues to this day and it will continue until we put a stop to it!

[wolverine]

Which Part Of Majority Are You Missing ??.....Not Minority Demanding The Majority Do As They Want....Its Been Just Fine For As Long As Its Been On The Money...Then Some Boobs Think They Will Dictate To The Rest Of Us...NO...The Crap Stops Here And Now....Bummer....Dont Like It ?? Help Your Side In The Next Civil War...Cause Its Coming !

[wolverine]

Thomas Jefferson:
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”

“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.”(excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)[Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings,(New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]