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Obama urges Supreme Court to overturn California same-sex marriage ban

There are 1525 comments on the The Washington Post story from Feb 28, 2013, titled Obama urges Supreme Court to overturn California same-sex marriage ban. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

The Obama administration told the Supreme Court on Thursday that California's ban on same-sex marriage violates the Constitution's guarantee of equal protection, a position that could also cast doubt on prohibitions in other states.

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#1634 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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What does that have to do with anything??? It's still a push for polygamy because of the push for ssm....
Nobody cares about polygamy except hateful trolls. The Morrill Act outlaws polygamy. That will not change unless the Act is repealed. More than half the population favors same sex marriage and that number is growing. The same cannot be said about polygamy. Your rhetoric it tired and worn out old lady.

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#1635 Apr 26, 2013
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Nobody cares about polygamy except hateful trolls. The Morrill Act outlaws polygamy. That will not change unless the Act is repealed. More than half the population favors same sex marriage and that number is growing. The same cannot be said about polygamy. Your rhetoric it tired and worn out old lady.
Well considering polygamy is entering the federal courts...that may well be on it's way to happening...

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#1636 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
What does that have to do with anything??? It's still a push for polygamy because of the push for ssm....
It has to do with the fact that you pinned your best hopes on a person who is not terribly articulate, and who is known for saying foolish things. If Huntsman is the best advocate for your position, you are indeed in trouble; but then again, we knew that whe you couldn't count.

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#1637 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
Well considering polygamy is entering the federal courts...that may well be on it's way to happening...
So long as the justices can count, it won't make any headway.

And it is still a completely irrelevant question to the topic at hand, which is same sex marriage.

You argue irrelevant drivel, because you have no valid argument relative to the topic at hand.

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#1638 Apr 26, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Nobody cares about polygamy except hateful trolls. The Morrill Act outlaws polygamy. That will not change unless the Act is repealed. More than half the population favors same sex marriage and that number is growing. The same cannot be said about polygamy. Your rhetoric it tired and worn out old lady.
10 years ago the sentiment for ssm is where it currently is for polygamy. The fact is...ssm has now opened the door for other forms of marriage under the same cloak of 'equality'....

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#1639 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
10 years ago the sentiment for ssm is where it currently is for polygamy. The fact is...ssm has now opened the door for other forms of marriage under the same cloak of 'equality'....
And 10 years have passed, and that is not still true.

The fact remains that a) there is no legitimate call for legalizing other forms of marriage, and b) allowing same sex marriage no more opens the door for other forms of marriage than allowing interracial marriage in the 60's.

You argument is utterly lacking in rational foundation. of course, since you lack the ability to offer a rational argument against same sex marriage, it stands to reason that you would resort to any irrelevant trash that you could attempt to make appear relevant. Your attempts aren't terribly convincing.

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#1640 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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10 years ago the sentiment for ssm is where it currently is for polygamy. The fact is...ssm has now opened the door for other forms of marriage under the same cloak of 'equality'....
We will see in 10 years how far ssm has carried polygamy...

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#1641 Apr 26, 2013
Interesting Article...

Why Gay Marriage Isn’t the ’60s Civil Rights Fight

What black Americans suffered is without parallel in our history—a fact all sides of the SSM debate should recognize.

By Jack Hunter • April 1, 2013

The 20-something me would consider the 30-something me a bleeding-heart liberal. Though I still hate political correctness, I no longer find it valuable to attack PC by charging off in the opposite direction, making insensitive remarks that even if right in fact were so wrong in form. I’m not the first political pundit to use excessive hyperbole. I might be one of the few to admit being embarrassed about it.

This embarrassment is particularly true concerning my own region, the South, where slavery, segregation, and institutional racism left a heavy mark. I still detest those on the left and right who exploit racial tension for their own purposes. But I detest even more the inhumanity suffered by African-Americans in our early and later history. T.S. Eliot said,“humankind cannot bear too much reality,” and it is impossible for those of us living in the new millennium to comprehend that absolute horror of being treated like chattel by your fellow man, or being terrorized by your neighbors, because of the color of your skin.

Keep reading....

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#1642 Apr 26, 2013
Books, memorials, and museums will never be able to adequately convey such tragedy, at least not in any manner remotely comparable to the pain of those who lived it.

The debate over gay marriage has been portrayed as the civil rights struggle of our time. I’m generally a supporter of same-sex unions and hold the same view as President Obama—I’m personally for it, but believe it should be decided at the state level.

I find it legally objectionable that those in longstanding same-sex relationships do not have the same inheritance, tax, and hospital-visitation rights as straight couples. Whatever the courts or states decide now and in the future, I hope this changes.

That said, gay marriage is simply not on par with the black civil rights struggle. Not even close.

Cont'd...

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#1643 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
We will see in 10 years how far ssm has carried polygamy...
GOOD NEWS!!! We don't need to wait 10 years!

They are separate issues and allowing same sex marriage has no effect, whatsoever upon the laws regarding polygamy.

Have you learned to count to three yet? Apparently not, because you keep advancing this infantile argument.

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#1644 Apr 26, 2013
When a group of mostly black protesters stood before the Supreme Court to defend traditional marriage last week, some pundits and social-media commentators wondered how people who once fought for their own civil rights could deny them to others.

For one, these black protesters were Christian. Many American Christians are opposed to gay marriage,

------and people of faith have as much a place in this debate as anyone else.---------

It is amusing how liberals who preach “diversity” are always surprised when it produces frictions or contradictions, which many on the left found last week in black Americans who oppose gay marriage.

But for these African-American followers of Christ, there were no contradictions.

Race isn’t everything.

cont'd....

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#1645 Apr 26, 2013
I have gay friends who are married. The states in which they reside might not recognize their unions, but their friends and families do, and they generally live their lives in peace. No one is turning water hoses on them. They are not being attacked by police dogs. There is no Bull Connor or Ku Klux Klan. They are not being lynched en masse, drinking at separate fountains, or being ordered to the back of the bus.

This is not to say that gay Americans who wish to have the full benefits of marriage afforded to heterosexual couples don’t face adversity. That’s a major part of the current debate. But it is to say that any hardship they face can’t compare to what black Americans faced 50 or 150 years ago.

There have been instances during the gay-rights movement that arguably could be compared to the black civil rights struggle, like the Stonewall riots of the 1960s or Matthew Shepard murder in 1998.

Suicides and other problems related to public attitudes about homosexuality have also unquestionably been a horrible ordeal.

Still, with the possible exception of the mistreatment of Native Americans, there has been nothing quite like the systematic exploitation and institutional degradation experienced by earlier black Americans.

My purpose here is not to belittle the fight for gay marriage, only to note that those who keep attempting to draw a reasonable comparison to the struggle of African-Americans are in many ways belittling the black experience in the United States.

Hear, hear!!!! Honesty at last!

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#1646 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
Interesting Article...
Why Gay Marriage Isn’t the ’60s Civil Rights Fight
What black Americans suffered is without parallel in our history—a fact all sides of the SSM debate should recognize.
By Jack Hunter • April 1, 2013
The 20-something me would consider the 30-something me a bleeding-heart liberal. Though I still hate political correctness, I no longer find it valuable to attack PC by charging off in the opposite direction, making insensitive remarks that even if right in fact were so wrong in form. I’m not the first political pundit to use excessive hyperbole. I might be one of the few to admit being embarrassed about it.
This embarrassment is particularly true concerning my own region, the South, where slavery, segregation, and institutional racism left a heavy mark. I still detest those on the left and right who exploit racial tension for their own purposes. But I detest even more the inhumanity suffered by African-Americans in our early and later history. T.S. Eliot said,“humankind cannot bear too much reality,” and it is impossible for those of us living in the new millennium to comprehend that absolute horror of being treated like chattel by your fellow man, or being terrorized by your neighbors, because of the color of your skin.
Keep reading....
No self respecting libertarian would argue for the government to marginalize citizens and provide them with less than equal protection of the law.

Their rant is as infantile as your own writings, and their objections to comparison of the civil rights movement as viewed through the lens of slavery in the 1800's are nothing more than crocodile tears.

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#1647 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
That said, gay marriage is simply not on par with the black civil rights struggle. Not even close.
Cont'd...
So true!!!

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#1648 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
I have gay friends who are married. The states in which they reside might not recognize their unions, but their friends and families do, and they generally live their lives in peace. No one is turning water hoses on them. They are not being attacked by police dogs. There is no Bull Connor or Ku Klux Klan. They are not being lynched en masse, drinking at separate fountains, or being ordered to the back of the bus.
This is not to say that gay Americans who wish to have the full benefits of marriage afforded to heterosexual couples don’t face adversity. That’s a major part of the current debate. But it is to say that any hardship they face can’t compare to what black Americans faced 50 or 150 years ago.
There have been instances during the gay-rights movement that arguably could be compared to the black civil rights struggle, like the Stonewall riots of the 1960s or Matthew Shepard murder in 1998.
Suicides and other problems related to public attitudes about homosexuality have also unquestionably been a horrible ordeal.
Still, with the possible exception of the mistreatment of Native Americans, there has been nothing quite like the systematic exploitation and institutional degradation experienced by earlier black Americans.
My purpose here is not to belittle the fight for gay marriage, only to note that those who keep attempting to draw a reasonable comparison to the struggle of African-Americans are in many ways belittling the black experience in the United States.
Hear, hear!!!! Honesty at last!
Although the historical fight is different, the legal battle is the same. It is a minority being denied legal rights and protections and that is wrong.

You've never presented an argument to the contrary, because you can't.

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#1649 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
I have gay friends who are married. The states in which they reside might not recognize their unions, but their friends and families do, and they generally live their lives in peace. No one is turning water hoses on them. They are not being attacked by police dogs. There is no Bull Connor or Ku Klux Klan. They are not being lynched en masse, drinking at separate fountains, or being ordered to the back of the bus.
This is not to say that gay Americans who wish to have the full benefits of marriage afforded to heterosexual couples don’t face adversity. That’s a major part of the current debate. But it is to say that any hardship they face can’t compare to what black Americans faced 50 or 150 years ago.
There have been instances during the gay-rights movement that arguably could be compared to the black civil rights struggle, like the Stonewall riots of the 1960s or Matthew Shepard murder in 1998.
Suicides and other problems related to public attitudes about homosexuality have also unquestionably been a horrible ordeal.
Still, with the possible exception of the mistreatment of Native Americans, there has been nothing quite like the systematic exploitation and institutional degradation experienced by earlier black Americans.
My purpose here is not to belittle the fight for gay marriage, only to note that those who keep attempting to draw a reasonable comparison to the struggle of African-Americans are in many ways belittling the black experience in the United States.
Hear, hear!!!! Honesty at last!
Not only is this true...it's indisputable!

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#1650 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Not only is this true...it's indisputable!
If course, it is not indisputable.

It is a completely BS attempt to sensationalize the issue, but it has one problem. Legally, the issue is the same, even if historically the injustice is completely different.

If you had a brain, you would realize that.

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#1651 Apr 26, 2013
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Not only is this true...it's indisputable!
Not only is it indisputable...it's totally reasonable...

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#1652 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
Not only is it indisputable...it's totally reasonable...
No, it is a moronic rationalization based upon a fallacy. Only a half-wit would think it was remotely reasonable.

Can you offer a single argument specifically against same sex marriage? I don't think you can.
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#1653 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Not only is this true...it's indisputable!
What flavor of retard are you today? Indisputable????? Says who? YOU? hahahaahhaahahahahhahaahahahha

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