Teaching Gay History in California

Teaching Gay History in California

There are 12512 comments on the EDGE story from Jul 9, 2011, titled Teaching Gay History in California. In it, EDGE reports that:

California lawmakers on Tuesday sent the governor a bill that would make the state the first requiring public schools to include the contributions of gays and lesbians in social studies curriculum.

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“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

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#13277 Jan 31, 2013
Mocker wrote:
I'm not going back and reading all the crap posted in this thread. I think mandating teaching gay/black/yellow/disabled history or whatever is ridiculous. Why do you have to develop a unique curriculum for every damn special interest group? Just teach history and include those that had a significant impact. Martin Luther King Jr., Harvey Milk, women....whomever. I think it's p.c. bullshit to carve out a certain amount of teaching time to satisfy some group of citizens. Just give the facts for each point in history and the contributions should be self evident.
Then you'll be happy to learn that the law doesn't require that schools "carve out a certain amount of teaching time" to satisfy anyone.

The law does just what you suggest; it allows local school districts to determine what will be taught and at what grades it will be taught. No specific historical person or historical event is mandated, and a "unique curriculum for every damn special interest group" is not required.

Many of us who have been teaching history in California high schools are already in compliance with the letter and spirit of the law. We teach history. And good history includes the important contributions that is reflective of a diverse state and nation, not merely the narrow point of view offered in textbooks 60 years ago. You're right -- it's self-evident!
Mocker

Novato, CA

#13278 Jan 31, 2013
Jerald wrote:
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Then you'll be happy to learn that the law doesn't require that schools "carve out a certain amount of teaching time" to satisfy anyone.
The law does just what you suggest; it allows local school districts to determine what will be taught and at what grades it will be taught. No specific historical person or historical event is mandated, and a "unique curriculum for every damn special interest group" is not required.
Many of us who have been teaching history in California high schools are already in compliance with the letter and spirit of the law. We teach history. And good history includes the important contributions that is reflective of a diverse state and nation, not merely the narrow point of view offered in textbooks 60 years ago. You're right -- it's self-evident!
The title of the thread/law is that there was a bill that would require public schools to include the contributions of gays and lesbians in social studies as a mandatory part of teaching history. How do you NOT view that as a curriculum requirement? Teach history as it happened. The good, the bad and the ugly. History is factual. It should be presented as it occurred without predjudice. Most logical people will draw the right conclusions.

“Post-religious”

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#13279 Jan 31, 2013
Mocker wrote:
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The title of the thread/law is that there was a bill that would require public schools to include the contributions of gays and lesbians in social studies as a mandatory part of teaching history. How do you NOT view that as a curriculum requirement? Teach history as it happened. The good, the bad and the ugly. History is factual. It should be presented as it occurred without predjudice. Most logical people will draw the right conclusions.
Just as you suggested in your first post, the significant contributions of all groups should be included in a survey history. The original law was written to ensure that history not be portrayed merely as the account of dead white men, but as diverse as this country truly is. This amendment to the law merely includes gay people and people with disabilities as part of the inclusive heritage of our nation's story. Certainly, somewhere in an entire K-12 curriculum, the contributions of gay people should be included, as are those of Blacks, women, etc. I include an expanded discussion of the several movements for civil rights in the post-WWII era -- for Blacks, women, Latinos, gays, Asians, etc.-- in my 11th grade US History course. Our history and government social science classes are required to include discussions of current events; clearly the current debates over DADT, DOMA, Prop 8, the Boy Scouts, etc. can be included for juniors and seniors in high school.

The law doesn't require any specific person or event be taught at any particular grade level -- it leaves it up to local schools and districts to decide how the curriculum is developed.

And by the way, history isn't just "factual". The study of history, by its very nature, is the interpretation of facts -- which "facts" to include or ignore, which to emphasize or diminish, which to dispute or reinterpret. It's much more than "just the facts, ma'am."

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#13280 Jan 31, 2013
Mocker wrote:
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The title of the thread/law ...
Rather than just relying on the title in a Topix thread or an article, it might be helpful if you're going to comment on the law to actually have read it.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/...

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#13282 Feb 1, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Explain these scientific tests! And how would you know castration and electric shocks would not work?
Would castration and electric shocks cause you to only attracted to the same gender?

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#13284 Feb 1, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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No, castration is ending all sexuality, including homosexuality that would come with it, while electric shocks would help change the way a gay views the same sex and wouldn't view them as strong and comforting, but view masculinity and masculine strength as a threat since electricity is also a threat but electric shocks are strong too! It could work, but it might not always work. It depends on whether the person who invented it was simply coming up with a torture method thinking it would drive homosexuality away, or an actual well thought out plan!
Research showed that castration does NOT "end all sexuality" ... not even hormonally. Other structures in the body generate the same hormones ans the primary gonadal structures;just isn lesser amounts.

Electroconvulsive treatments do not change anything either for gay people.

You really need to get out of your imagination and into reading actual data.

http://thetruthpursuit.com/society/society-bl...

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#13287 Feb 1, 2013
Kesla15 wrote:
I think that's a great idea. I never got taught about homosexuality in my school, and I believe students should be taught about it, at least when studying subjects such as history or civil rights, teachers need to at least brush on the subject.
Yes, but if it grow into a recruitment campaign, i might regret my support....sometimes people ask for an inch, but take a foot.....

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#13289 Feb 1, 2013
Well, that part would definitely leave you out wouldn't it?

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Largelanguage wrote:
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or an actual well thought out plan!

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#13290 Feb 1, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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No, castration is ending all sexuality, including homosexuality that would come with it, while electric shocks would help change the way a gay views the same sex and wouldn't view them as strong and comforting, but view masculinity and masculine strength as a threat since electricity is also a threat but electric shocks are strong too! It could work, but it might not always work. It depends on whether the person who invented it was simply coming up with a torture method thinking it would drive homosexuality away, or an actual well thought out plan!
You are nuts.

Since: Jun 11

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#13291 Feb 1, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Explain these scientific tests! And how would you know castration and electric shocks would not work?
Again, it has been tried and shown to not be effective. It was done in hospitals where records were kept on the experiments being done.

Again: "Scientifically rigorous older studies in this area found that sexual orientation was unlikely to change due to efforts designed for this purpose." (APA)

Since: Jun 11

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#13293 Feb 1, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Show me the research. You don't know what they did.
Yes, we know what they did.

Other change efforts have continued up to today. They don't work.

You have been provided resources. If you don't trust the summaries from the APA, AMA, and others, I'm not going to waste any more time. Do your own homework. I read about this stuff 30 and 40 years ago.

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#13295 Feb 1, 2013
Not only do you have an ability to think you evidently can't read ether. They've been posted at least five times on here.

Idiot.
Largelanguage wrote:
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Give me proof.

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Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#13297 Feb 1, 2013
Not my fault if you don't believe the best and most knowledgable. doctors and sociologists in the world. Your certainly not known for your great thinking ability.

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Largelanguage wrote:
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They weren't proof, fool!

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Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#13299 Feb 2, 2013
Attempting to communicate with you is like talking to a doorknob except a doorknob has better comprehension skills.
Largelanguage wrote:
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Science is theories, child! And many scientists are christians, child!
Will Money

San Jose, CA

#13302 Feb 2, 2013
Brenda Lee Johnson Wrote:

I guess it's just a consequence that every single organization Gay's have been affiliated with winds up in wide spread homosexual child molestation, all of them, ALL OF THEM! Millions and millions! Big Brother, The Boy Scouts, thousands of cases in The Boy Scouts, youth camps,sporting programs and especially sporting programs,Sandusky, Bernie Fine are the most prominent. The Catholic Church, thousands of boys molested by homosexual pedophiles.

Then we take a look at other countries where homosexuality where laws and restrictions have been relaxed and what do we see?

Gays boycotting to have the age for anal sex with boys lower to 14 and even 13. No, Gays are not pedophiles.The one thing I think we have demonstrated is what deceptive liars Gays are, The true bastions of evil.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#13304 Feb 2, 2013
Same sex marriage would affect all gender segregated institutions; they would need to adapt to marriage and mating among their population. Same sex marriage would cause harm in prisons, if prison rape is already bad enough, imagine prison same sex marriage.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#13306 Feb 2, 2013
It's all about the money:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/... ;

Same sex marriage would mean more wasteful government spending. Let's reform entitlements instead of redefining marriage.
Brenda Lee Johnson

Burbank, CA

#13308 Feb 2, 2013
No the numbers of Gays are not increasing among our youth but an attitude of indifference toward morality. Thus one of the reasons for Gay attacks on Christianity.

There are people who claim to have had sex with Gays for money but are not interested otherwise.
That is a break down in morality.That same break down pushes the acceptance of homosexuality. The worst enemy Gays have is mother nature and the science that points out that homosexuality is perversion, but as you can see science can be silenced by Christianity can not.

I doubt the number of Gays within any particular group of people has ever exceeded much more than 2-3% of the population, they are more visible because the population is growing
Largelanguage wrote:
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And the evil gays have allowed homosexuals into the boy scouts! Numbers of homosexuals is increasing within our youth!

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#13309 Feb 2, 2013
You two could star in a remake of "Dumb and Dumber".
Brenda Lee Johnson wrote:
No the numbers of Gays are not increasing among our youth but an attitude of indifference toward morality. Thus one of the reasons for Gay attacks on Christianity.
There are people who claim to have had sex with Gays for money but are not interested otherwise.
That is a break down in morality.That same break down pushes the acceptance of homosexuality. The worst enemy Gays have is mother nature and the science that points out that homosexuality is perversion, but as you can see science can be silenced by Christianity can not.
I doubt the number of Gays within any particular group of people has ever exceeded much more than 2-3% of the population, they are more visible because the population is growing
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Carlos Masonic13

Napa, CA

#13311 Feb 3, 2013
Brenda Lee Johnson wrote:
No the numbers of Gays are not increasing among our youth but an attitude of indifference toward morality. Thus one of the reasons for Gay attacks on Christianity.
There are people who claim to have had sex with Gays for money but are not interested otherwise.
That is a break down in morality.That same break down pushes the acceptance of homosexuality. The worst enemy Gays have is mother nature and the science that points out that homosexuality is perversion, but as you can see science can be silenced by Christianity can not.
I doubt the number of Gays within any particular group of people has ever exceeded much more than 2-3% of the population, they are more visible because the population is growing
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Now that you have mentioned it I looked it up and Ben Gleck are right. The pope does live with a guy named Gauwein who has said that his holiness has "impregnated my priesthood". I wish you hadnt mentioned it and then I wouldnt have looked it up and wouldn't know this and now I am confused about the whole thing of men in womens clothes with funny hats wafting incense and chanting who knows what whil kids are tied up in the vestry. Shame on you for telling this.

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