Gay marriage

There are 20 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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#13636 Dec 12, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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There was kiddie porn in there, Dusty Mangina -- you enjoyed that?
And you study information about accessing "kiddie porn"?

Ugh. Sick stuff.

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#13637 Dec 12, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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The state's interest is in the union of one man and one woman as husband and wife, not same sex "spouses for life".
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What a strange idea. If the state has an interest in stable and financially secure couples, protected children, and a financially secure elderly population, then there is no difference between couples based on their gender.

Of course, basic civil and human rights are not granted to a population based on "state interest". That't the default setting.

You would need to prove that there is a valid and rational state interest for the state to DENY those basic rights, however. So, prove that denying same sex couples the right to legally marry is good for the state's interests in a secure, stable, and financially secure population.

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#13638 Dec 12, 2013
Quest wrote:
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And you've made an in-depth study?
Why? How would it concern you?
It concerns me because you're a sex cult that wants to spread your sex cult ideas among youth.

And, yes, I made an in-depth study.

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#13639 Dec 12, 2013
Quest wrote:
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And you study information about accessing "kiddie porn"?
Ugh. Sick stuff.
I think I get your modus operandi, fella -- when there's a dispute between a homosexual and a heterosexual, the homosexual is always right.

That's it in a nutshell, right?

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#13640 Dec 12, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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The only way you could be more wrong about me is to claim I'm Yao Ming.

A transvestite is a guy who gets his jollies from dressing in women's clothing.
And here again, Rose, you display your baseline ignorance about the English language and LGBT culture.

First, you give us a definition that makes no difference between cross-dresser and transvestite. Indeed, in an earlier post you defined transvestite as cross-dresser. But the two are as different as man who dresses up as a cop on Halloween and the actual cop who's a cop every day.

Simply put, transvestite don't just dress as women, they believe they are women inside men's bodies and live their lives as women 24-7. They take hormones and save their money for surgeries. They have regular sex with men.

Cross-dressers simply enjoy wearing women's clothing. Most lead heterosexual lives, have family and children and would never even think of using hormones or getting surgery. Also, cross-dressers don't have sex with men at all.

In other words, Rose -- once again you've shown the world how ignorant you are on a topic you've posted 32,000 comments about.

No mystery there -- you refuse to get off your fat ass and do research.

An alternate explanation is that you're a 300 pound drag queen trying to misdirect -- but that alternative is so repugnant I don't even want to go there.

“RULING IN JUNE”

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#13641 Dec 12, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Simply put, transvestite don't just dress as women, they believe they are women inside men's bodies and live their lives as women 24-7. They take hormones and save their money for surgeries. They have regular sex with men.
Actually it is YOU who DOESN'T know the difference between a TRANSVESTITE and a TRANSGENDER!!!

A TRANSVESTITE is a man who ENJOYS wearing woman's clothing aka a CROSS DRESSER, but has NO desire to be a woman!!!

A TRANSGENDER M-F is a man who feels he SHOULD have been born a woman, goes through years of therapy to help make the transition along with taking hormones to add female breast, dresses as a woman, lives their life as a woman 24/7/365 and eventually will have reassignment surgery to change their outward appearance to match their inward sexual identity!!!

Hopefully this helps END your confusion regarding the difference!!!

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#13642 Dec 12, 2013
Grinding stupidity like Rose's shouldn't go unrewarded so I'll be including her quote directly below in my comments:
Transvestites are -- primarily those people you see in suits, people you'd never suspect, who go home and put on women's clothes for fun, then go back to wearing those suits.

-- Rose NoHo

“RULING IN JUNE”

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#13643 Dec 12, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Oh and one more thing......when a person is TRANSGENDER, whatever their sexual orientation was before hand, it will remain as such after they change......for example if a man transgenders to a woman and was attracted to women, they will more than likely become a Lesbian.......if the man was attracted to men before the change, they will be Heterosexual after the change.

One's sexual orientation remains the same as it was BEFORE the transition took place!!!

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#13644 Dec 12, 2013
Quest wrote:
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What a strange idea.
The union of one man and one woman as husband and wife? Why would you find that strange?
If the state has an interest in stable and financially secure couples, protected children, and a financially secure elderly population, then there is no difference between couples based on their gender.
Actually the state has an interest in the union of one man and one woman as husband and wife.
Of course, basic civil and human rights are not granted to a population based on "state interest". That't the default setting.
Actually the civil right exists because of the male female relationship, and the state's interest in it.
You would need to prove that there is a valid and rational state interest for the state to DENY those basic rights, however.
That's just it, men and women AREN'T DENIED that basic right. In fact it's in the best interest if the state for men and women to marry, each other of course, to provide a stable home for themselves, and their off spring.
So, prove that denying same sex couples the right to legally marry is good for the state's interests in a secure, stable, and financially secure population.
Individual men and women have the right to marry, enter into a legally recognized union of husband and wife. No need to redefine marriage. It's worked since the birth of the Republic, no end to change it now.

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#13645 Dec 12, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Actually it is YOU who DOESN'T know the difference between a TRANSVESTITE and a TRANSGENDER!!!
A TRANSVESTITE is a man who ENJOYS wearing woman's clothing aka a CROSS DRESSER, but has NO desire to be a woman!!!
A TRANSGENDER M-F is a man who feels he SHOULD have been born a woman, goes through years of therapy to help make the transition along with taking hormones to add female breast, dresses as a woman, lives their life as a woman 24/7/365 and eventually will have reassignment surgery to change their outward appearance to match their inward sexual identity!!!
Hopefully this helps END your confusion regarding the difference!!!
It doesn't stop, does it?

To anyone who wants to know the difference between a transvesitite and cross-dresser google both terms and compare images then report back what you've found.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#13646 Dec 12, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Oh and one more thing......when a person is TRANSGENDER, whatever their sexual orientation was before hand, it will remain as such after they change......for example if a man transgenders to a woman and was attracted to women, they will more than likely become a Lesbian.......if the man was attracted to men before the change, they will be Heterosexual after the change.
One's sexual orientation remains the same as it was BEFORE the transition took place!!!
See...a male lesbian. If a man feels he is a woman trapped inside a man's body, and he is sexually attracted to women, but has no desire for to physically alter his gender, he can be called a "male lesbian".

To review.

The first, or original lesbians, are the residents of the Greek island of Lesbos.

Next, are women who are sexually attracted to other women.

Lastly, male lesbians.

Three different kinds of lesbians.

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#13647 Dec 12, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Oh and one more thing......when a person is TRANSGENDER, whatever their sexual orientation was before hand, it will remain as such after they change......for example if a man transgenders to a woman and was attracted to women, they will more than likely become a Lesbian.......if the man was attracted to men before the change, they will be Heterosexual after the change.
One's sexual orientation remains the same as it was BEFORE the transition took place!!!
Cite ...?

And, oh -- when I google "transvestite" I get thousands of images of men who look just like women. They have breasts and obvious hormonal and surgical enhancements.

So, tell us, Einstein -- if there is no difference between transvestite and cross-dresser why are the googled results so dramatically different?

“RULING IN JUNE”

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#13648 Dec 12, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
no end to change it now.
Sorry, BUT it is changing and there's NOT much you can do about it and there is NO compelling State interest in keeping marriage as ONLY a union between a man and a woman......otherwise, the Courts would have ruled in your favor in cases regarding Marriage.....but they haven't!!!

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#13649 Dec 12, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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It doesn't stop, does it?
To anyone who wants to know the difference between a transvesitite and cross-dresser google both terms and compare images then report back what you've found.
I DON'T give a damn about images......the fact remains that a TRANSVESTITE is the same as a Cross-Dresser and that is NOT the same as a M-F TRANSGENDER!!!

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#13650 Dec 12, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
Find something else to discuss......I'm NOT going to indulge your pathetic fantasy about male lesbians!!!

“ reality, what a concept”

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#13651 Dec 12, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Simply put, transvestite don't just dress as women, they believe they are women inside men's bodies and live their lives as women 24-7. They take hormones and save their money for surgeries. They have regular sex with men.
It's amazing how much factually inaccurate information a person can learn without having your brain explode from all the cognitive dissonance. Transvestism is a paraphilia, it is a fetishization of aspects of the opposite sex, everything from bits of clothing to behavior. Many transvestite are heterosexual. They do not see themselves as their opposite sex 24/7, they just enjoy the trip. Transsexuals are the folk who see themselves as their opposite sex, etc. The more you know, the less the blithering idiot you will be in the future.

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#13652 Dec 12, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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Cite ...?
And, oh -- when I google "transvestite" I get thousands of images of men who look just like women. They have breasts and obvious hormonal and surgical enhancements.
So, tell us, Einstein -- if there is no difference between transvestite and cross-dresser why are the googled results so dramatically different?
Try Googling websites INSTEAD of images......you might just educate yourself!!!

No, when you Google TRANSVESTITES what you get is images that APPEAR to be women, some may EVEN be women or at least transgender women, but if you see them dressed, I have NO doubt they appear to have Breast.......but there are bras that can make one appear to have something they don't......and my suggestion is you STOP looking at images and try reading something that will educate you!!!
Frankie Rizzo

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#13653 Dec 12, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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You're describing "cross-dressers," you idiot.
And the problem isn't that you don't know the difference between a transvestite and cross-dresser, the problem is you're such a lazy shitheeler you did't get off your fat ass and research the term "transvestite" after I told you, you were using it incorrectly.
Honestly, Rose, if you're a foreign exchange student, say so, and I'll cut you some slack. But to keep butchering our language the way you do has got to stop.
Oh, and nobody believes you're a "size six" as you've claimed. Nobody who sits on her fat ass in front of a computer is a size six -- you'd be out fucking if you were that small, fatso.
High five!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#13654 Dec 12, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Try Googling websites INSTEAD of images......you might just educate yourself!!!
No, when you Google TRANSVESTITES what you get is images that APPEAR to be women, some may EVEN be women or at least transgender women, but if you see them dressed, I have NO doubt they appear to have Breast.......but there are bras that can make one appear to have something they don't......and my suggestion is you STOP looking at images and try reading something that will educate you!!!
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transvestite!...!!!
cross dresser!!!...!!!
bigot!...!!!
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I don't care!...!!!...
hater!!!...!!!
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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#13655 Dec 12, 2013
YUK!YUK!YUK!~Whoop!~Whoop! Ah good times.

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