Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61392 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11786 Dec 4, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<So equal protection means men are no longer men, and women are no longer women? Just androgynous beings?
Nope, it means men & women have to be treated equally under the law.

It means you can't discriminate against a man just because he's a man.

It means you can't discriminate against a woman just because she's a woman.

It means men & women have to be treated equally under the law.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#11787 Dec 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Plural families aren't similarly situated to a couple, so marriage equality doesn't apply.
Two men, or two women aren't simarly situated to a man and a woman. So "marriage equality" doesn't apply.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11788 Dec 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Clearly a difference between 'legally' and really married...
Even you noted your Aunt and Uncle were different...
Smile.
If you're not legally married, you're not really married.

My Aunt & Uncle are different from my other Aunts & Uncles too. Just as my parents are different from all other parents.

Every couple is different from every other couple.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11789 Dec 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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A duplicate gendered couple is "not that much different" from the union of Mars and Venus?
Are you serious?
An opposite gendered couple is no more like a couple of planets than a same gendered couple is.

You focus on the gender difference.
Other bigots focused on the racial difference.
Other bigots focused on the religious difference.

Bigots like you always focus on the differences and try to make them the definitive issue.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11790 Dec 4, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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That's funny.
All around the country you're lying, cheating, and putting guns to heads of school board officials to get your transvestites and lesbians with rings in their noses in our schools, and you have the nerve to accuse me of "forcing" my will on you?
All I'm asking you to do is stay away from our children.
What part of that don't you understand?
We have just as much right to be teaching in school as any other group.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11791 Dec 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
...
It is simply a medical fact that the anus was not designed to function as a vagina. Those are screams of pain, not pleasure you idiot!
You just had your ass kicked by a near senile old jack ass. Again.
Smile.
Then you're obviously not doing it right.

"....near senile..."??

Oh dear, you're way BEYOND senile!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11792 Dec 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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And we all know that 'laws' are never stupid.
And I noted that there are far more distinctions than just gender.
You are so blonde.
Smirk.
There are many distinctions in EVERY couple.

You focus on gender.
Other bigots focus on race.
Other bigots focus on religion.

We understand, that's what you bigots do.

In the end it won't matter what you bigots do.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11793 Dec 4, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So all those years, when all men, and all women, were treated equally as it related to marriage, that wasn't equal rights?
That's as stupid as saying all blacks and all whites were being treated equally as it related to marriage when they could each equally marry only someone of the same race.

They WEREN'T being treated equally, otherwise a man would have been able to marry another man all those years.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11794 Dec 4, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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That's just it....the "exception of the gender difference" IS THE difference. It's the reason why marriage exists as a recognized union.
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Uhhhhhhh....that's the point, the state recognizes marriage because of the male female union, not the emotional attachment of two people. If the latter were the case, marriage would've died out, millennium ago.
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Wonderful! So they see themselves as two women? Interesting........
Except gender difference is NOT the reason why marriage exists.

Marriage was a way of protecting property and transferring it from one person to another.

It would have made no difference if all marriages were same gender or opposite gender; it was about the property.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11795 Dec 4, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Which handful, the men, or the women?
Currently both men & women have equal rights in 17 states. Soon enough we'll get to all 50 states.

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#11796 Dec 4, 2013
How can anyone but a fool claim male-to-male anal sex is safe?

It's been 30 years since every gay activist group on the planet began hammering home the importance of using a condom and still gay males are catching HIV at epidemic numbers.

Boys, there's just no safe way to do it -- and it breaks my heart to tell you that, but it is what it is.

Safe anal sex is a LGBT urban legend, junk science, myth, superstition... a fairy tale.

What will it take to get you to admit that?

The CDC tells us that in Baltimore the HIV rate among gay men is 36%. We're also informed that gay males are living on average of 20 years less than their hetero counterparts.

This has got to stop.

You people have got to stop telling young homosexuals condoms protect them when all the evidence shows nothing protects you from male-to-male anal sex!

Nothing!

The numbers don't lie.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11797 Dec 4, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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Actually, the main linchpin of this country is traditional marriage, and if that's so -- and it is -- an interpretation of "equal rights for all" that supports same-sex marriage undermines that linchpin.
Same-sex marriage is a mistake because it redefines what people are -- male, female, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, queer.If we restrict this definition to male and female, gays are not being discriminated against. Only when we expand the definition to the groups above can the argument be made gays are being denied equal rights.
The problem with expanding the definition is the Domino Effect. Once we allow gays to define what personhood is, all our gender-based rules collapse. Men cannot be denied school teacher jobs because they're transvestites, boys can use any bathroom they want, school boards must change their curriculum to include these new groups, the military must undergo massive changes, the list goes on and on.
Gays tell us all these changes are necessary for them to obtain true equality across the board, but they certainly don't know this. They don't know the end result will be equality; all they know is that they're miserable and if turning society up-side-down has a chance of removing that misery, we must try it.
But nothing can remove the misery of being homosexual and that's because homosexuality is an abnormality.
Medical science was correct when it called homosexuality an abnormality. Pedophilia is an abnormality -- influential gay activist Larry Brinkin is a pedophile. Brinkin, incidentally, is the gay activist who first came up with the idea of same-sex marriage.
Nope, still wrong.

Denying one man from marrying another man- regardless of their sexual orientation- is gender discrimination.

They are being discriminated against solely based on their gender.

That's not equality.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11798 Dec 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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And still, at it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Ss couples are a defective failure of mating behavior. An imposter relationship, only ever a mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage.
How 'equal' is that?
Ss marriage is clearly an oxymoron, and a million silly 'judges' or even SCOTUS can't change one damn thing about it.
Smirk.
And yet you bigots haven't stopped us from getting married anyways...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11799 Dec 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Honey, most of the WORLD and history think marriage is a man and woman.
Smirk.
They're wrong.

Which is why same-sex couples can marry in over a dozen countries and 17 states in the US.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11800 Dec 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You twirling for the union of Uranus and Uranus???
Snicker.
How can a planet unite with itself?

We're talking about PEOPLE, not planets.

That's why you bigots keep losing vote after vote, in state after state.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11801 Dec 4, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Case and point!
Who says molesting a child is hurting them?
Ummm, pretty much EVERY sane person in the world.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11802 Dec 4, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Let's get back to the basics ...
For 60 years the American Psychiatric Association said homosexuality was an abnormality. This changed around 1973 after members voted to remove it from the list of mental conditions. The problem is that it was a vote not the result of new peer-reviewed science.
The forces that brought about this change are well-documented: gay activists declared all-out war against the APA which included hounding members in the streets, at their homes, where they worked, the meetings they ended, etc.
All this, but not a whit of new science.
This is not rocket science, boys. Abnormal behavior has destructive results. Gay males have a life-span 20 years shorter than heterosexual males. Anal sex -- the sine qua non of male homosexuality -- is the culprit. Indeed, even without HIV, male-to-male anal sex causes a panoply of anal-rectal health problems( cancer, anal-rectal dysfunction, etc)
And need I mention the latest CDC report that reveals gay males are 75% of all new HIV cases (male)?
In other words, 30 years after the launch of universal safe sex education, gay males have still not found a way to have anal sex safely.
Isn't it time we conclude there is no safe way?
Back to the same lies with more irrelevant estimates.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11803 Dec 4, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Two men, or two women aren't simarly situated to a man and a woman. So "marriage equality" doesn't apply.
Ooops, except we ARE similarly situated, which is why we've WON our court cases, while you've LOST yours.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11804 Dec 4, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
How can anyone but a fool claim male-to-male anal sex is safe?
It's been 30 years since every gay activist group on the planet began hammering home the importance of using a condom and still gay males are catching HIV at epidemic numbers.
Boys, there's just no safe way to do it -- and it breaks my heart to tell you that, but it is what it is.
Safe anal sex is a LGBT urban legend, junk science, myth, superstition... a fairy tale.
What will it take to get you to admit that?
The CDC tells us that in Baltimore the HIV rate among gay men is 36%. We're also informed that gay males are living on average of 20 years less than their hetero counterparts.
This has got to stop.
You people have got to stop telling young homosexuals condoms protect them when all the evidence shows nothing protects you from male-to-male anal sex!
Nothing!
The numbers don't lie.
But I see YOU are back to your same lies.

Nothing you've posted is true.

Nothing.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#11805 Dec 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, it means men & women have to be treated equally under the law.
It means you can't discriminate against a man just because he's a man.
It means you can't discriminate against a woman just because she's a woman.
It means men & women have to be treated equally under the law.
Oh boy.....here we go again. The ole "let's put urinals in the women's locker room, and sanitary napkin dispensers in the men's room" argument.

Can men and women equally produce sperm?
Can men and women equally give birth?
Does Sheepie have a Mom and a Dad?

Until human human beings evolve into androgynous beings who reproduce asexually, the law can, and will make distinctions between men and women. All the " equality" in the world won't change the facts of life. Thanks for trying though.

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