Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61389 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10626 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
I ask this question again: What are these sex cultists doing in our schools teaching our children their morbidly unhealthy behaviors are normal and safe?
The jury is in. We've got 30 years of CDC stats that show male-to-male anal sex is virtual suicide. In Baltimore almost 40% of males who engage in it are HIV carriers.
When does this madness stop?
Your madness stops when you die.

Millions of men have anal sex in the US and the overwhelming majority are HIV negative.

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10627 Nov 24, 2013
lides wrote:
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Gary, all of your posts are lame.
As for the things that you assert that I have said, I have not claimed any of those thing, nor are any of the points you claim that I have made relevant to the topic at hand.
Once again, you are promoting baseless lies designed to attempt to misdirect and inflame the discussion rather than make a valid and factually supported point.
Congratulations, Gary, you clearly have no valid, factually supported, and on topic argument. Posts like this just paint you are the mindless and bigoted troll that you are.
Stop masturbating.

Do you believe in "born this way"

Do you think children should be labeled "gay" or "transgender."

Do you think sexual orientation is immutable?

Do you think homosexuals can't be pedophiles?

You've been wasting everybody's time for months with your masturbatory legal posts. How about some straight answers on the questions above?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10628 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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"wear a condom and no prob fella! Also are you aware now that they have very effective meds that allow H.I.V. positive humans to live a normal life!"
-- Maybe Bill
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Seriously, fella, when are you going to realize it's ignorance like yours that's getting young gay men killed? Kids believe it. They go out and have anal sex and catch the virus. The jury is in: there's no safe way to have anal sex. Almost 40% of the gay men in Baltimore have it. When do you spring into action and start telling kids the truth -- when it hits 100%?
And I know it must be heart-breaking to learn the thing that defines you -- male-to-male anal sex -- is killing you, but telling kids "preventive meds" allows them to lead a "normal" life is not the answer.
Stop it, you Monster!
Stop killing children with your lies!
The answer is to stop telling kids homosexuality is safe and normal.
What part of that don't you understand?
For centuries we told kids that homosexuality is unsafe and abnormal. It didn't stop the gay kids from being gay anyways.

No more than telling black kids that being black is unsafe (highest mortality rate of any race) and abnormal (the norm is white in the US; Asian worldwide) would prevent black kids from being black.

Gay kids are going to be gay and they're going to have sex, just like straight kids are going to be straight and they're going to have sex.

All we can do is try to educate them how to protect themselves from sexually transmitted disease, whether they're gay or straight.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10629 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no way to perform anal sex safely -- that's what the recent CDC stats prove. And what gay kid doesn't know about your stupid safe-sex techniques that obviously don't work? Who on the planet does't know about condoms?
Stop making excuses. Your excuses are killing people.
Honestly, pal, you're in the schools telling kids homosexuality is normal and safe, then when these kids catch HIV you blame everybody but yourself.
You're to blame, fella.
Anal sex is not safe -- and there's no way to make it safe.
What part of that don't you understand?
And yet MILLIONS of men & women have anal sex safely.

Straight people know about condoms, and yet MILLIONS of THEM get sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancies every year.

Kids are kids; they do stupid things whether they're gay or straight.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10630 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
And tell us, birdbrain,
Is that the best you can do?
garylloyd wrote:
how does that support claim of their being such things as gay and transgender students?
Well, Gary, that there are such students is simply a matter of fact. What you posted even addresses that reality, it only calls into question what what point sexuality solidifies and this passage reiterates that the student needs to come to their own conclusions in their own time. On its face, it appears that you omitted it because it goes against your argument.
garylloyd wrote:
Do you believe in "born this way"
I believe that there are certainly biological factors in play.
garylloyd wrote:
Do you think children should be labeled "gay" or "transgender."
No one should be labeled. As your own link mentioned, people should draw their own conclusion in their own time.
garylloyd wrote:
Do you think sexual orientation is immutable?
When did you choose to be straight?
garylloyd wrote:
Do you think homosexuals can't be pedophiles?
Of course, they can. So can heterosexuals. Pedophilia is not relevant to the topic at hand. Only a twit would think otherwise.
garylloyd wrote:
You've been wasting everybody's time for months with your masturbatory legal posts. How about some straight answers on the questions above?
Gary, I have been on topic. You have consistently being wasting time with irrelevant and inflammatory BS.

Even now, none of your comments are relevant to the topic.

What's that matter, Gary? Are you too stupid to understand when an argument it relevant? Or are you just to stupid to construct a valid, relevant, and factually supported argument?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10631 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no way to perform anal sex safely -- that's what the recent CDC stats prove. And what gay kid doesn't know about your stupid safe-sex techniques that obviously don't work? Who on the planet does't know about condoms?
Stop making excuses. Your excuses are killing people.
Honestly, pal, you're in the schools telling kids homosexuality is normal and safe, then when these kids catch HIV you blame everybody but yourself.
You're to blame, fella.
Anal sex is not safe -- and there's no way to make it safe.
What part of that don't you understand?
They're not contracting HIV because they're gay. The virus has no idea what their sexual orientation is. They're contracting HIV because they're having unprotected sex with someone who has the virus. If you have unprotected sex with an infected person, you're at much greater risk on contracting the virus. It works the same for as straight person as it does a gay person.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10632 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Here's a paper from the American College of Pediatricians that completely debunks the notion of "gay and transgender" children. In other words, there's no such thing as the gay or transgender child, the very notion is yet more self-serving junk science from the LGBT community:
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13d/d...
Rabidly anti-gay groups have no validity.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#10633 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
In other words, you guys shouldn't be in the schools telling kids you diagnose as gay or transgender they are gay or transgender because when you do you're reinforcing a behavior most kids grow out of.
?

Who is in schools spreading gay information?
How many schools?
Where are these schools?
Which school boards and administrators allow this?
How many kids have been brainwashed?

Jesus is not pleased with you...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10634 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Incidentally, the paper I link to above and below, says most kids will grow out of the supposed gay and transgender characteristics if these behaviors are NOT REINFORCED!!!
In other words, you guys shouldn't be in the schools telling kids you diagnose as gay or transgender they are gay or transgender because when you do you're reinforcing a behavior most kids grow out of.
Do you people grasp the gravity of the problem now? Gay activists are in our schools reinforcing supposed gay behavior.
They turning kids into homosexuals!
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13d/d...
The ACP is an anti-gay group of pediatricians who for a "college" to promote their bigotry under the auspices of some medical authority.

They are just another rabidly anti-gay group with no relevance.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10635 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the College of Pediatricians there's no such thing as "gay or transgender" children. That means, unless you provide peer-reviewed science to support you claim that there is, you are operating from myth and superstition.
Which is why the time is long-overdue to stop being politically correct and call you people what you truly are -- a sex cult.
After which, the question is a simple one -- should sex cult members be in our schools?
60 anti-gay doctors doesn't make a "college".

You could just as easily find 60 doctors who say blacks are genetically & mentally inferior to whites.

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10636 Nov 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
For centuries we told kids that homosexuality is unsafe and abnormal. It didn't stop the gay kids from being gay anyways.
No more than telling black kids that being black is unsafe (highest mortality rate of any race) and abnormal (the norm is white in the US; Asian worldwide) would prevent black kids from being black.
Gay kids are going to be gay and they're going to have sex, just like straight kids are going to be straight and they're going to have sex.
All we can do is try to educate them how to protect themselves from sexually transmitted disease, whether they're gay or straight.
On what authority are you going into schools and labeling kids gay? The College of Pediatricians says you shouldn't be doing this, that most kids grow out of their apparent gay characteristics by age 25 -- that when you label a kid gay you reinforce behavior you shouldn't:

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http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/should-schoo...

"Even children with Gender Identity Disorder (when a child desires to be the opposite sex) will typically lose this desire by puberty, if the behavior is not reinforced.3 Researchers, Zucker and Bradley, also maintain that when parents or others allow or encourage a child to behave and be treated as the opposite sex, the confusion is reinforced and the child is conditioned for a life of unnecessary pain and suffering. Even when motivated by noble intentions, schools can ironically play a detrimental role if they reinforce this disorder."

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10637 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
After which, the question is a simple one -- should sex cult members be in our schools?
No, the crazy hetero sex cult members should NOT be in our schools.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10638 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Should Schools Identify and Affirm Students as “Gay” or “Transgender?”
Adolescence is a time of upheaval and impermanence. Adolescents experience confusion about many things, including sexual orientation and gender identity, and they are particularly vulnerable to environmental influences.
Rigorous studies demonstrate that most adolescents who initially experience same-sex attraction, or are sexually confused, no longer experience such attractions by age 25. In one study, as many as 26% of 12-year-olds reported being uncertain of their sexual orientation1, yet only 2-3% of adults actually identify themselves as homosexual.2 Therefore, the majority of sexually-questioning youth ultimately adopt a heterosexual identity.
Even children with Gender Identity Disorder (when a child desires to be the opposite sex) will typically lose this desire by puberty, if the behavior is not reinforced.3 Researchers, Zucker and Bradley, also maintain that when parents or others allow or encourage a child to behave and be treated as the opposite sex, the confusion is reinforced and the child is conditioned for a life of unnecessary pain and suffering. Even when motivated by noble intentions, schools can ironically play a detrimental role if they reinforce this disorder.
http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/should-schoo...
You might as well quote the KKK on black intelligence & genetic inferiority.

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10639 Nov 24, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>?
Who is in schools spreading gay information?
How many schools?
Where are these schools?
Which school boards and administrators allow this?
How many kids have been brainwashed?
Jesus is not pleased with you...
Stop masturbating.

Today -- thanks to same-sex marriage -- every public school in the nation teaches homosexuality is normal and safe.

Either show us the science backing up this fraudulent claim, or take your towel and lubricant and work another corner.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10640 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
What's your point?
Are you saying the group is not qualified?
Are you saying you disagree with it?
What's your point, Bozo?
They're about as qualified to comment on sexual orientation as the KKK is qualified to comment on black intelligence & genetic inferiority.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#10641 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop masturbating.
Voyeur.
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you believe in "born this way"
Yes.
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think children should be labeled "gay" or "transgender."
I don't believe in labels.
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think sexual orientation is immutable?
Irrelevant.
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think homosexuals can't be pedophiles?
Homosexuality and pedophilia are two different things. Do you think that heterosexuals can't be pedophiles?
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
You've been wasting everybody's time for months with your masturbatory legal posts. How about some straight answers on the questions above?
Funny, "GaryLloyd" has only been here for a matter of weeks, but he knows what everyone has been doing for months. I wonder how that can be?:-)

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10642 Nov 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
The ACP is an anti-gay group of pediatricians who for a "college" to promote their bigotry under the auspices of some medical authority.
They are just another rabidly anti-gay group with no relevance.
On the Promotion of Homosexuality in the Schools
School officials are being increasingly pressured by pro-homosexual organizations to integrate homosexual education into school curricula. These organizations recommend promoting homosexuality as a normal, immutable trait that should be validated during childhood, as early as kindergarten. These organizations also condemn all efforts to provide treatment to gender confused students, advocating instead the creation of student groups that affirm homosexual attractions and behaviors.

One of the most coordinated efforts to convince school officials to embrace this position was launched by a coalition of 13 organizations which produced a brochure entitled, Just the Facts about Sexual Orientation and Youth. This coalition, which includes the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychiatric Association, and the National Education Association, mailed the brochure in January 2008 to all 16,000 public school superintendents in the United States. The purpose of the brochure is to:

• Promote the notion that all forms of sexual attraction among students (regardless of age) are equally and entirely normal, including heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality.
• Inform educators that all sexual-reorientation therapy may be harmful and should be prohibited.
• Warn school officials that student clubs advocating the practice of homosexuality must be allowed on campus.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10643 Nov 24, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
On the Promotion of Homosexuality in the Schools
School officials are being increasingly pressured by pro-homosexual organizations to integrate homosexual education into school curricula. These organizations recommend promoting homosexuality as a normal, immutable trait that should be validated during childhood, as early as kindergarten. These organizations also condemn all efforts to provide treatment to gender confused students, advocating instead the creation of student groups that affirm homosexual attractions and behaviors.
One of the most coordinated efforts to convince school officials to embrace this position was launched by a coalition of 13 organizations which produced a brochure entitled, Just the Facts about Sexual Orientation and Youth. This coalition, which includes the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychiatric Association, and the National Education Association, mailed the brochure in January 2008 to all 16,000 public school superintendents in the United States. The purpose of the brochure is to:
• Promote the notion that all forms of sexual attraction among students (regardless of age) are equally and entirely normal, including heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality.
• Inform educators that all sexual-reorientation therapy may be harmful and should be prohibited.
• Warn school officials that student clubs advocating the practice of homosexuality must be allowed on campus.
"Note that the ACP does not provide Continuing Medical Education or a professional journal. Access to other professional programs (Red Book, Prep program) is offered via higher fees, but the AAP or affiliated groups actually provide the services. In other words, if there was no AAP, there would be no continuing education or professional publications.
A hallmark of a profession is the provision of training, certification, and continuing education. The ACP does not none of this independently. The ACP has been around since 2002 and the AAP since 1937. Annually, the AAP spends millions on professional publications and continuing education; the ACP receipts in 2008 was less than $60,000. The AAP has over 60,000 members, the ACP about 200."
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmort...

Congratulations, you have put your faith in junk science.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10644 Nov 24, 2013
"That historical record is hardly as obscure as Perkins maintained. Rachel Maddow of MSNBC found that only weeks before Rekers’s excellent European adventure, his name appeared on the masthead of an official-looking letter sent to some 14,000 school superintendents nationwide informing them that homosexuality is a choice that can be stamped out by therapy. The letter was from the “American College of Pediatricians”— a misnomer for what is actually a political organization peddling homophobic junk-science."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/opinion/16r...

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10645 Nov 24, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
"Note that the ACP does not provide Continuing Medical Education or a professional journal. Access to other professional programs (Red Book, Prep program) is offered via higher fees, but the AAP or affiliated groups actually provide the services. In other words, if there was no AAP, there would be no continuing education or professional publications.
A hallmark of a profession is the provision of training, certification, and continuing education. The ACP does not none of this independently. The ACP has been around since 2002 and the AAP since 1937. Annually, the AAP spends millions on professional publications and continuing education; the ACP receipts in 2008 was less than $60,000. The AAP has over 60,000 members, the ACP about 200."
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmort...
Congratulations, you have put your faith in junk science.
"Junk Science"?

Honestly, fella, do you even now what the term means? The current president of ACP is a former president of AAP.

When did he become a junk scientist before or after he left AAP?

All he's saying is it's not a good idea to label kids "gay" because most kids grow out of what appears to be gay characteristics.

Are you saying you disagree with this, you jackass?

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