Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61362 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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Janitor

Vancouver, WA

#6205 Oct 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Something that Courts are being used to impose on society is everyone's business.
I called you on misrepresenting outcomes for children.
I pointed out factual distinctions between duplicate and diverse gendered couples. You simply deny them.
You are singular proof that our educational system has gone to hell.
You say you have pointed out factual distinctions and speak of studies but have offered nothing substantial. And, you continue to say, without any support, as though there could be anything more substantial than your own opinion to be presented. You're the one in denial and your comments are pointless. Apparently, the educational system failed when the educators began to disagree with your prejudicial point of view that there is something impossible about the idea of a same sex couple marrying and raising children.
Janitor

Vancouver, WA

#6206 Oct 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Ss couples are only ever a mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage.
No law will ever change that.
ss marriages is an oxymoron.
Your reasoning makes no sense. Straight couples can be sterile, or one of the partners and the same result would occur. As for the idea of gender being essential, that is totally pointless. Your comments being presented as fact, or as intelligent is an oxymoron. There is neither present in any statement you make.
Janitor

Vancouver, WA

#6207 Oct 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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It's your life, you go girl.
Greg gave me credit for the fact lists. Check it out.
Again, no facts have been presented. You make very little sense and all that you do make is extremely nonsensical.
Janitor

Vancouver, WA

#6208 Oct 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Two men don't need the same consideration as women and children.
Man up.
More of your gibberish, That statement makes no sense and you are hardly in a position to comment on anything connected to manhood. You are far from anything resembling manhood.
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#6210 Oct 4, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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You tell him you did man up. You were Mona and Rose and now you're Neil. Same azzhole though.
Are you enjoying your second childhood?
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#6211 Oct 4, 2013
Priest wrote:
When you hand over a child to be raised by queers you are sentencing that child to cruel and unusual punishment. He will be made fun of by kids from traditional parents, will be confused as to why he has two dads, and there is a very large chance he will become a queer. That is child abuse in any sense of the word. No queer marriage, no queer adoption.
I know that children of normal parents (yes normal) grow into queers, but kids raised by gaggots are doomed from the paper signing. However, queers do not care about the outcome of the child's life, they only care about parading a baby out at parties like a new show dog, and pushing him in a stroller for the attention. Selfish gaggots. Selfish, disgusting gaggots.
No offense.
Gee...... stupid people in OKlahoma. Who knew?

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#6212 Oct 4, 2013
Priest wrote:
When you hand over a child to be raised by queers you are sentencing that child to cruel and unusual punishment.
Better than allowing them to be raised by hateful and intolerant bigots, like yourself.
Priest

Tulsa, OK

#6213 Oct 4, 2013
Neil An Blowme wrote:
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Gee...... stupid people in OKlahoma. Who knew?
Wow...scum in New Jersey. Who...never mind everybody knows that.
Neil An Blowme

Hoboken, NJ

#6214 Oct 4, 2013
Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Wow...scum in New Jersey. Who...never mind everybody knows that.
Just like everybody knows that parenting doesn't cause homosexuality???????

But please.... continue with your inane spew. OH, and be sure to NOT pick up a book and learn the facts. It will just confuse you.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#6216 Oct 4, 2013
"The American Academy of Pediatrics declared its support for same-sex marriage on Thursday,(3-21-13) saying that allowing gay and lesbian parents to marry if they so choose is in the best interests of their children.

The academy’s policy statement says same-sex marriage helps guarantee rights, benefits and long-term security for children, while acknowledging that it does not now ensure access to federal benefits. When marriage is not an option, the academy said, children should not be deprived of foster care or adoption by single parents or couples, whatever their sexual orientation.

Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents.

Lack of opportunity for same-gender couples to marry adds to families’ stress, which affects the health and welfare of all household members. Because marriage strengthens families and, in so doing, benefits children’s development, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for their parents to be married. Paths to parenthood that include assisted reproductive techniques, adoption, and foster parenting should focus on competency of the parents rather than their sexual orientation."
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#6218 Oct 4, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"The American Academy of Pediatrics declared its support for same-sex marriage on Thursday,(3-21-13) saying that allowing gay and lesbian parents to marry if they so choose is in the best interests of their children.
Key word "their." They already have them, benefiting from that certainly wouldn't be a negative.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#6219 Oct 4, 2013
For ss couples to be equated to marriage, the demand is that children be removed from consideration to equate ss couples to marriage, and that mother and father be removed to equate ss couples to family.

And that is good and right?

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#6220 Oct 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
And that is good and right?
Hey, how about this to prove the Bible can not be trusted to tell us about homosexuality:

1 SAM. 13:1 ("Saul was .?. years old when he began to reign"--RSV, NAB, NWT, MT)

versus ("50 years old"--NEB)

versus ("40 years old"--ASV, NAS)

versus ("30 years old"--NIV).

Again, 1 SAM. 13:1 ("...and for 2 years he reigned over Israel"--NWT, MT, NAB)

versus ("and he reigned over Israel for 22 years" --NEB)

versus ("he reigned 32 years"--NAS)

versus ("he reigned over Israel 42 years"--NIV)

versus ("one or two years"--LV).

KJ = King James Version, RS = Revised Standard Version, ML = Modern Language, AS = American Standard Version, NEB = New English Bible, NAB = New American Bible, NI = New International Version, NAS = New American Standard, TEV = Today's English Version, BBE = Bible in Basic English, NWT = New World Translation, JB = Jerusalem Bible, LV = Lamsa's Version, MT = Masoretic Text, LB = Living Bible].

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#6221 Oct 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
For ss couples to be equated to marriage, the demand is that children be removed from consideration to equate ss couples to marriage, and that mother and father be removed to equate ss couples to family.
And that is good and right?
Sorry KiMare, you have already advanced the notion that there is a procreative requirement of marriage. There is not. Infertile heterosexual couples regularly legally marry.

That you keep returning to this long debunked argument tends to prove that you aren't smart enough to tell that it is utterly incorrect, or to craft another one.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#6222 Oct 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
For ss couples to be equated to marriage, the demand is that children be removed from consideration to equate ss couples to marriage, and that mother and father be removed to equate ss couples to family.
And that is good and right?
This latest argument of yours is every bit as lame as your previous attempts. It's poorly written, non-factual, and needlessly verbose.

What is the government expectation regarding procreation in marriage?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#6223 Oct 4, 2013
Neil An Blowme wrote:
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Just like everybody knows that parenting doesn't cause homosexuality???????
But please.... continue with your inane spew. OH, and be sure to NOT pick up a book and learn the facts. It will just confuse you.
Kids in poly families have two or more moms and or dads!

Marriage. There is no one right way.

If polygamy were made legal, it would still be so rare you'd probably never have to be offended by the sight of a happy poly family.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#6224 Oct 5, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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This latest argument of yours is every bit as lame as your previous attempts. It's poorly written, non-factual, and needlessly verbose.
What is the government expectation regarding procreation in marriage?
For ss couples to be equated to marriage, the demand is that children be removed from consideration to equate ss couples to marriage, and that mother and father be removed to equate ss couples to family.

What's my point?

1. The last two times the Court legally removed consideration of children, divorce and abortion, the effects were devastating for children. Now gays are attempting to deny children as a fundamental element of children.

2. Legally, naturally and morally birth parents have a favored place for children. For ss couples to equate, you are attempting to deny and break those bonds.

You again throw children under the bus, and then add your own parents.

The diabolical act of a reprobate.

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Clitty

#6225 Oct 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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What's my point?
1. The last two times the Court legally removed consideration of children, divorce and abortion, the effects were devastating for children. Now gays are attempting to deny children as a fundamental element of children.
2. Legally, naturally and morally birth parents have a favored place for children. For ss couples to equate, you are attempting to deny and break those bonds.
You again throw children under the bus, and then a....
Here's your point, but you lack the balls to say it: you don't want to share the word "marriage" with anyone, especially gay people.

That ship has sailed, Hunty, because there are now thousands of married gay couples and there will be thousands more.

You don't have to say you're in a "str8" marriage, though people will still wonder why your wife married someone who looks like Bruce Willis's ass crack.

Your faux concern for children is touching. Really. Touching.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#6226 Oct 5, 2013
lides wrote:
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Better than allowing them to be raised by hateful and intolerant bigots, like yourself.
Whoops! You're going down that war path when your master wants you to share the table scraps! When the table scraps aren't enough YOUR job is to invoke the ceremonial bumping of the noodles so all of you frustrated monkeys will stay calm.

You didn't read your contract with the Democrats, did you?
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#6227 Oct 5, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"The American Academy of Pediatrics declared its support for same-sex marriage on Thursday,(3-21-13) saying that allowing gay and lesbian parents to marry if they so choose is in the best interests of their children.
The academy’s policy statement says same-sex marriage helps guarantee rights, benefits and long-term security for children, while acknowledging that it does not now ensure access to federal benefits. When marriage is not an option, the academy said, children should not be deprived of foster care or adoption by single parents or couples, whatever their sexual orientation.
Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents.
Lack of opportunity for same-gender couples to marry adds to families’ stress, which affects the health and welfare of all household members. Because marriage strengthens families and, in so doing, benefits children’s development, children should not be deprived of the opportunity for their parents to be married. Paths to parenthood that include assisted reproductive techniques, adoption, and foster parenting should focus on competency of the parents rather than their sexual orientation."
But what you simply don't realize is that nobody cares about anyone's children except if it can get them gubbermint money.

Nobody cares that the gubbermint is shut down. Nobody cares about the national debt. They only are interested in immediate personal gratification. Your JOB is to bump nozzles and provide cheap-@ss gratification to the sheep.

The sheep aren't getting back to work! There's no money to be embezzled from the gubbermint pockets. YOU aren't doing your job and nobody else is either!

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