Gay marriage

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman. Full Story

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

Since: Mar 10

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#5840 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Somehow you think evidence that Jesus saw "natural" eunuchs as being a naturally-occurring phenomenon helps your case? And there certainly is no shortage of scientific evidence to support that stance. That being the case, doesn't the denial of rights to a certain group of citizens born a certain way seem like an arbitrary basis for discrimination? The Bible made a better case for discriminating against people born with dark skin or people who are left-handed or people who have vaginas. I'm still trying to understand your passion for this topic, Greg, and the zeal with which you pursue it. Why is it so vitally important to you? Why do you invest such inordinate amounts of your time and energy in your crusade? At this point that seems like a pretty fair question. I've yet to encounter anyone - short of Fred Phelps - who seems so driven, so consumed with his own point of view, as you, Greg. It's too late, my friend. Did you see in the news where George and Barbara attended a same-sex wedding AND signed off as witnesses? I think I just felt the earth move!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#5841 Sep 27, 2013
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>Somehow you think evidence that Jesus saw "natural" eunuchs as being a naturally-occurring phenomenon helps your case? And there certainly is no shortage of scientific evidence to support that stance. That being the case, doesn't the denial of rights to a certain group of citizens born a certain way seem like an arbitrary basis for discrimination? The Bible made a better case for discriminating against people born with dark skin or people who are left-handed or people who have vaginas. I'm still trying to understand your passion for this topic, Greg, and the zeal with which you pursue it. Why is it so vitally important to you? Why do you invest such inordinate amounts of your time and energy in your crusade? At this point that seems like a pretty fair question. I've yet to encounter anyone - short of Fred Phelps - who seems so driven, so consumed with his own point of view, as you, Greg. It's too late, my friend. Did you see in the news where George and Barbara attended a same-sex wedding AND signed off as witnesses? I think I just felt the earth move!
Dick,

Many things occur in nature that are not normal. In fact, Jesus grouped 'born that way' with castration and the choice to resist nature.

I have posted numerous reasons why I engage this battle numerous times. Your personal troll attacks, Dick, and blatant deceit and distortion simply expose a fear you have of my purpose.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#5842 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>

I have posted numerous reasons why I engage this battle numerous times. Your personal troll attacks, Dick, and blatant deceit and distortion simply expose a fear you have of my purpose.
Your blathering verbosity makes the rationale behind your posts completely incomprehensible.

It's funny that your perceive you're instilling fear in anyone. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#5843 Sep 27, 2013
MirthMenace wrote:
That being the case, doesn't the denial of rights to a certain group of citizens born a certain way seem like an arbitrary basis for discrimination?
No. There is no discrimination if one law applied to all. They do.
I can only marry qualifying women. If you are a man, same for you.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#5844 Sep 27, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
Your blathering verbosity makes the rationale behind your posts completely incomprehensible.
It's funny that your perceive you're instilling fear in anyone. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I think your pervasive denial coupled with rabid anger is causing a confusion over very simple things.

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Since: Dec 08

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#5845 Sep 27, 2013
solosu wrote:
Support gay, anti-discrimination
Until a Christian photographer turns down a same sex wedding gig, then she's sued for discrimination. If same sex marriage becomes law, you could be sued next.

Bad law makes worse civil suits.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#5846 Sep 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Until a Christian photographer turns down a same sex wedding gig, then she's sued for discrimination. If same sex marriage becomes law, you could be sued next.
Bad law makes worse civil suits.
Brian, are you an idiot?

Can you articulate how providing services to a same sex couple in any way violates the photographer's free exercise of religion or free expression, which would begin to indicate that your position has any validity whatsoever?
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#5847 Sep 27, 2013
Eileen Jael wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry! Sodom & Gomorrah was about the heathen sodomites; that's why it was destroyed.
http://www.truegospelofjesus.org/articles/Sod... FIRE & BRIMSTONE b/c of Inhospitality? Stop lying!
Here are some Scripture verses for you: http://nosamesexmarriage.com/marriage/bible_v...
"And like wise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

What?

That is some sort of gibberish. It reads like a translation
by someone who isn't fluent in either language.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#5848 Sep 27, 2013
teesha wrote:
Tried to be open minded regarding the situation. I changed my mind when I joined a three of my gay friends to relax in their jacuzzi. They turned off the whirlpool so we can sit in the calm water and drink a glass of wine. Honey, we all noticed semen floating on the surface...one of my gay friends demanded to know "who farted". Like, really? I said these people aren't right. I got out, went home and changed my mind about gay marriages honey!
Hey, I don't blame you for getting out of that pool pronto.

It's like when I check into a motel with a nice pool and there
is a bunch of little kids in it. I don't go in because I
know that all little kids pee in the water. It turns me off.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#5849 Sep 27, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
OK. Gay marriage isn't legal in the majority of the U.S. and the government has no obligation to support it.
That's just the way it is!
Arrogant twit!
The government is, however, obligated to support
equal rights for minorities. And that idea is a real
problem for a lot of Americans.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5850 Sep 27, 2013
Gary wrote:
<quoted text>
The government is, however, obligated to support
equal rights for minorities. And that idea is a real
problem for a lot of Americans.
Exactly! And since single people are the minority, it's absolutely reprehensible to be placing a tax burden on them to support the reckless breeding habits of others.

If I want to raise a family, I make it my responsibility to NOT depend on charity from the government or from businesses.

This is all just Socialists out buying votes with my tax dollars.

Reprehensible!

You're not going to give up on your mission though. You WILL obey your master! It's all understood.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5851 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Part of Jesus using the word eunuch was to communicate the Jewish morality of sex only within marriage between a man and woman. Same sex sex was never accepted.
OK. Now, since we're blurring the line between Jewish morality and Christian morality, why not take it a bit further?!

Do you have a problem with sex outside of marriage in the modern age where contraception, traditional gender roles and the general rules of family are far different than they were in Jesus's day?

Yes or no is all that is required.

Since: Mar 07

Rhoadesville, VA

#5852 Sep 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Until a Christian photographer turns down a same sex wedding gig, then she's sued for discrimination. If same sex marriage becomes law, you could be sued next.
Bad law makes worse civil suits.
So, you believe that to prevent a single person from possibly being sued for illegally discriminating against certain groups, in direct violation of the business license they agreed to work under, that the government should create laws that harm millions of couples and children?

Do you even READ what you post?

How is that even SANE?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#5853 Sep 27, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
OK. Now, since we're blurring the line between Jewish morality and Christian morality, why not take it a bit further?!
Do you have a problem with sex outside of marriage in the modern age where contraception, traditional gender roles and the general rules of family are far different than they were in Jesus's day?
Yes or no is all that is required.
I really don't give a rip about what you 'require'.

I blurred no lines between Jewish and Christian morality.

Truly safe sex is only possible within a marriage.

So 'yes', I have a problem with immorality.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#5854 Sep 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you believe that to prevent a single person from possibly being sued for illegally discriminating against certain groups, in direct violation of the business license they agreed to work under, that the government should create laws that harm millions of couples and children?
Do you even READ what you post?
How is that even SANE?
Read the First Amendment.

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

Since: Mar 10

freshroast666@gmail.com

#5855 Sep 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Until a Christian photographer turns down a same sex wedding gig, then she's sued for discrimination. If same sex marriage becomes law, you could be sued next.
Bad law makes worse civil suits.
So you're saying it should be legal for any business owner to refuse service to anyone on any basis or should they only be able to refuse service to homosexuals?

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

Since: Mar 10

freshroast666@gmail.com

#5856 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Dick,
Many things occur in nature that are not normal. In fact, Jesus grouped 'born that way' with castration and the choice to resist nature.
I have posted numerous reasons why I engage this battle numerous times. Your personal troll attacks, Dick, and blatant deceit and distortion simply expose a fear you have of my purpose.
For what little it's probably worth to you, Greg, my name is Jeff, not Dick. But you can call me Dick if you think it helps your credibility or in some way makes you feel better. I don't mind. I know my won name. I must have joined this discussion too late to have seen your explanation of your passion for this topic. Feel free to restate it because it would sure help me to understand you better. And indeed I am interested in understanding you better. I don't really see how anything I've said to you can be construed as an attack. It wasn't what I had in mind. All I recall doing is asking you questions. You've made it clear that you do not appreciate my questions, but I wouldn't ask them if I didn't care about your answers. You matter, Greg. You do. Your replies have grown increasingly vitriolic and I'm concerned that you might not be as faithful to your medicine as your psychiatrist would prefer. That can be very risky. I care about you, Greg, and want to do all I can do help you to understand the picture you've painted of yourself on this forum, for one. Your more-than-healthy interest in the private lives of others is a topic I would suggest you include in your next discussion with your therapist. Seriously, Greg. Fanaticism is usually a symptom of something much deeper.

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

Since: Mar 10

freshroast666@gmail.com

#5857 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
So 'yes', I have a problem with immorality.
Yes, I agree; you do.

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

Since: Mar 10

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#5858 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the First Amendment.
Great idea!

The First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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#5859 Sep 28, 2013
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/...

85% Think Christian Photographer Has Right to Turn Down Same-Sex Wedding Job

Americans draw a fine line when it comes to respecting each otherís rights. If a Christian wedding photographer who has deeply held religious beliefs opposing same-sex marriage is asked to work a same-sex wedding ceremony, 85% of American Adults believe he has the right to say no. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only eight percent (8%) disagree even as the courts are hearing such challenges.

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