Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61384 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#5846 Sep 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Until a Christian photographer turns down a same sex wedding gig, then she's sued for discrimination. If same sex marriage becomes law, you could be sued next.
Bad law makes worse civil suits.
Brian, are you an idiot?

Can you articulate how providing services to a same sex couple in any way violates the photographer's free exercise of religion or free expression, which would begin to indicate that your position has any validity whatsoever?
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#5847 Sep 27, 2013
Eileen Jael wrote:
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Sorry! Sodom & Gomorrah was about the heathen sodomites; that's why it was destroyed.
http://www.truegospelofjesus.org/articles/Sod... FIRE & BRIMSTONE b/c of Inhospitality? Stop lying!
Here are some Scripture verses for you: http://nosamesexmarriage.com/marriage/bible_v...
"And like wise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

What?

That is some sort of gibberish. It reads like a translation
by someone who isn't fluent in either language.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#5848 Sep 27, 2013
teesha wrote:
Tried to be open minded regarding the situation. I changed my mind when I joined a three of my gay friends to relax in their jacuzzi. They turned off the whirlpool so we can sit in the calm water and drink a glass of wine. Honey, we all noticed semen floating on the surface...one of my gay friends demanded to know "who farted". Like, really? I said these people aren't right. I got out, went home and changed my mind about gay marriages honey!
Hey, I don't blame you for getting out of that pool pronto.

It's like when I check into a motel with a nice pool and there
is a bunch of little kids in it. I don't go in because I
know that all little kids pee in the water. It turns me off.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#5849 Sep 27, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
OK. Gay marriage isn't legal in the majority of the U.S. and the government has no obligation to support it.
That's just the way it is!
Arrogant twit!
The government is, however, obligated to support
equal rights for minorities. And that idea is a real
problem for a lot of Americans.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5850 Sep 27, 2013
Gary wrote:
<quoted text>
The government is, however, obligated to support
equal rights for minorities. And that idea is a real
problem for a lot of Americans.
Exactly! And since single people are the minority, it's absolutely reprehensible to be placing a tax burden on them to support the reckless breeding habits of others.

If I want to raise a family, I make it my responsibility to NOT depend on charity from the government or from businesses.

This is all just Socialists out buying votes with my tax dollars.

Reprehensible!

You're not going to give up on your mission though. You WILL obey your master! It's all understood.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5851 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Part of Jesus using the word eunuch was to communicate the Jewish morality of sex only within marriage between a man and woman. Same sex sex was never accepted.
OK. Now, since we're blurring the line between Jewish morality and Christian morality, why not take it a bit further?!

Do you have a problem with sex outside of marriage in the modern age where contraception, traditional gender roles and the general rules of family are far different than they were in Jesus's day?

Yes or no is all that is required.

Since: Mar 07

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#5852 Sep 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Until a Christian photographer turns down a same sex wedding gig, then she's sued for discrimination. If same sex marriage becomes law, you could be sued next.
Bad law makes worse civil suits.
So, you believe that to prevent a single person from possibly being sued for illegally discriminating against certain groups, in direct violation of the business license they agreed to work under, that the government should create laws that harm millions of couples and children?

Do you even READ what you post?

How is that even SANE?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#5853 Sep 27, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
OK. Now, since we're blurring the line between Jewish morality and Christian morality, why not take it a bit further?!
Do you have a problem with sex outside of marriage in the modern age where contraception, traditional gender roles and the general rules of family are far different than they were in Jesus's day?
Yes or no is all that is required.
I really don't give a rip about what you 'require'.

I blurred no lines between Jewish and Christian morality.

Truly safe sex is only possible within a marriage.

So 'yes', I have a problem with immorality.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#5854 Sep 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you believe that to prevent a single person from possibly being sued for illegally discriminating against certain groups, in direct violation of the business license they agreed to work under, that the government should create laws that harm millions of couples and children?
Do you even READ what you post?
How is that even SANE?
Read the First Amendment.

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

Since: Mar 10

[email protected]

#5855 Sep 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Until a Christian photographer turns down a same sex wedding gig, then she's sued for discrimination. If same sex marriage becomes law, you could be sued next.
Bad law makes worse civil suits.
So you're saying it should be legal for any business owner to refuse service to anyone on any basis or should they only be able to refuse service to homosexuals?

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

Since: Mar 10

[email protected]

#5856 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Dick,
Many things occur in nature that are not normal. In fact, Jesus grouped 'born that way' with castration and the choice to resist nature.
I have posted numerous reasons why I engage this battle numerous times. Your personal troll attacks, Dick, and blatant deceit and distortion simply expose a fear you have of my purpose.
For what little it's probably worth to you, Greg, my name is Jeff, not Dick. But you can call me Dick if you think it helps your credibility or in some way makes you feel better. I don't mind. I know my won name. I must have joined this discussion too late to have seen your explanation of your passion for this topic. Feel free to restate it because it would sure help me to understand you better. And indeed I am interested in understanding you better. I don't really see how anything I've said to you can be construed as an attack. It wasn't what I had in mind. All I recall doing is asking you questions. You've made it clear that you do not appreciate my questions, but I wouldn't ask them if I didn't care about your answers. You matter, Greg. You do. Your replies have grown increasingly vitriolic and I'm concerned that you might not be as faithful to your medicine as your psychiatrist would prefer. That can be very risky. I care about you, Greg, and want to do all I can do help you to understand the picture you've painted of yourself on this forum, for one. Your more-than-healthy interest in the private lives of others is a topic I would suggest you include in your next discussion with your therapist. Seriously, Greg. Fanaticism is usually a symptom of something much deeper.

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

Since: Mar 10

[email protected]

#5857 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
So 'yes', I have a problem with immorality.
Yes, I agree; you do.

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

Since: Mar 10

[email protected]

#5858 Sep 27, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the First Amendment.
Great idea!

The First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#5859 Sep 28, 2013
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/...

85% Think Christian Photographer Has Right to Turn Down Same-Sex Wedding Job

Americans draw a fine line when it comes to respecting each otherís rights. If a Christian wedding photographer who has deeply held religious beliefs opposing same-sex marriage is asked to work a same-sex wedding ceremony, 85% of American Adults believe he has the right to say no. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only eight percent (8%) disagree even as the courts are hearing such challenges.
Common sense

Melbourne, Australia

#5860 Sep 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/ public_content/politics/questi ons/pt_survey_questions/july_2 013/questions_establishment_ru les_july_7_8_2013
85% Think Christian Photographer Has Right to Turn Down Same-Sex Wedding Job
Americans draw a fine line when it comes to respecting each otherís rights. If a Christian wedding photographer who has deeply held religious beliefs opposing same-sex marriage is asked to work a same-sex wedding ceremony, 85% of American Adults believe he has the right to say no. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only eight percent (8%) disagree even as the courts are hearing such challenges.
If i was the photographer i would've just taking individual photo's of them because two grooms or two brides dont make a wedding, only a bride and groom do the rest is a farce, its just a pretend wedding.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#5861 Sep 28, 2013
She was too honest for a sham; she didn't want to deprive the couple of wedding pictures so she turned down the gig.

They want power to force their radical agenda on society, starting with Christians. Your group is next.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#5862 Sep 28, 2013
MirthMenace wrote:
So you're saying it should be legal for any business owner to refuse service to anyone on any basis or should they only be able to refuse service to homosexuals?
The photographer didn't refuse service to homosexuals, just to a same sex wedding. What makes you think this is about homosexuality? The press?

The issue is same sex marriage; there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality. None of those Christians, the baker, florist or photographer ever refused to provide baked goods, flowers or a picture to a homosexual. They just refused to participate in a same sex wedding, like any good Christian would.

Keeping marriage male/female means religious liberty and freedom; same sex marriage means neighbor suing neighbor.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5863 Sep 28, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I really don't give a rip about what you 'require'.
I blurred no lines between Jewish and Christian morality.
Truly safe sex is only possible within a marriage.
So 'yes', I have a problem with immorality.
Well, I know how much you hate losing control, BUT by logical deduction you have implied that sex outside of marriage is immoral and that YES you hate immorality so you have answered the question. Magic words will not save you from your decisions.

First, you have made a political decision based on religious doctrine which is unconstitutional. Second, you live your life according to a finite set of rules that were make 2000 years ago. You are not living in the present, and are not just conservative in your politics. You are committed to the magic that your faith promises will reward you.

A very dangerous person!

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#5864 Sep 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The photographer didn't refuse service to homosexuals, just to a same sex wedding. What makes you think this is about homosexuality? The press?
......
So, straight people often marry people of the same sex?

What an odd notion.

Are you saying that if a business owner believes ANY marriage is immoral, such as interracial marriages, they should have every legal right to boycott them?

If they choose to send the public out of their public accommodation on religious grounds and face legal consequences, that the government should ban ALL such marriages, simply to protect their "freedom to discriminate?"

Again, Brain, that's simply not sane.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#5865 Sep 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
....
Americans draw a fine line when it comes to respecting each otherís rights. If a Christian wedding photographer who has deeply held religious beliefs opposing same-sex marriage is asked to work a same-sex wedding ceremony, 85% of American Adults believe he has the right to say no. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only eight percent (8%) disagree even as the courts are hearing such challenges.
But you take it a step further, don't you Brian?

Instead of simply proposing to strip away all laws that prohibit discrimination against all minorities, YOU are proposing creating new laws ONLY to prevent same sex couples from marrying.

Isn't that a bit different?

You want to create and protect laws that directly harm families and children, for the SOLE purpose of allowing them to be discriminated against for religious reasons in public accommodation.

It's not going to pass the smell test, and you have to know that.

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