Gay marriage

Full story: Los Angeles Times

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.
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#5638 Sep 19, 2013
lides wrote:
Your statement is idiotic, and you;ve yet to answer the basic question of how providing a service for someone with different political or religious views in any way impacts a business owners free exercise of religion or free speech. Simply put, it doesn't, and only a idiot would claim that it did.
So, you claim the KKK would be right to sue a Jewish photographer who refused to service their rally? What kind of bad law is that?

PC leftist fascist law, new government regulation of business morality. Socialist, leftist destruction of fundamental institutions like marriage and family.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#5639 Sep 19, 2013
lides wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/news/gay/TCR09D1CU...
You said:
"Marriage needs protection to prevent pregnancy unless age or a medical condition prevents it."
Actually, we the people don't end up supporting every out of wedlock birth, your claim is utterly without logical foundation.
Regarding history, it appears you are back tracking on your claim that this is without historical precedent.
it appears that you have no valid argument and you know it.
1. Now go back and read what YOU said I said;

"Marriage is needed to prevent pregnancy"

2. Now you insert 'every' in supporting unwed mothers, something I never said.

The fact is, even some support involves government interest making YOUR assertion 'utterly without logical foundation'.

3. I backtracked on nothing. No culture in history has had ss couples labeled as married from start to finish. Not a single one.

Every single culture in known human history has had marriage.

You keep trying to throw children under the bus and ignore the cultural and religious practice. Like a rat sneaking in through the sewer, you are trying to impose an impostor relationship on marriage through a manipulation of the law.

In the end, all you have is a mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage.

And there is not one damn thing you can do to change that.

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#5640 Sep 19, 2013
lides wrote:
the state does not have an interest in what you assert is the overall best environment for raising children,
You have plenty of youth dysfunction in the poor sections of Chicago and Detroit. They murder each other and bystanders get shot. An academic student was gunned down a while back. So many articles it is hard to keep track. Most come from single parent families doomed to live in poverty. Your point is patently absurd. Should Detroit be the blueprint for your area? The state has no interest? You are absolutely crazy. You might have a point in that the state may have an interest in this continuing madness by robbing everybody of their constitutional rights under the guise of protection.
And your point is? None of this has any relevance to the topic at hand. In short, you are rambling.
Are you having trouble keeping up? Short term memory loss? You wrote the state does not have any interest in the raising of children. The claim is absurd. I pointed it out.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#5641 Sep 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Now go back and read what YOU said I said;
"Marriage is needed to prevent pregnancy"
2. Now you insert 'every' in supporting unwed mothers, something I never said.
The fact is, even some support involves government interest making YOUR assertion 'utterly without logical foundation'.
3. I backtracked on nothing. No culture in history has had ss couples labeled as married from start to finish. Not a single one.
Every single culture in known human history has had marriage.
You keep trying to throw children under the bus and ignore the cultural and religious practice. Like a rat sneaking in through the sewer, you are trying to impose an impostor relationship on marriage through a manipulation of the law.
In the end, all you have is a mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage.
And there is not one damn thing you can do to change that.
You should probably get a divorce, given that your marriage is now a sterile plural marriage. If you can't breed babies, you're not pleasing in God's eyes.

KiMare
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anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5642 Sep 19, 2013
lides wrote:
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When last I checked, allowing same sex marriage does not impose a morality on anyone. Denying it, on the other hand does. If same sex marriage is allowed, you are still allowed to feel that it is wrong, and not to enter into such a union.
If we are to allow free will and free expression, that means allowing people to engage in choices that may have health concerns. We also allow people to choose to smoke and drink in spite of the fact that each of those choices carry health concerns.
Actually, the 14th Amendment has precedent in providing equal protection of the law for all people since 1868, when it was passed.
Actually, I live in two states that have already done the right thing and passed marriage equality. The rest will soon follow, because those who oppose equality, like yourself, lack a valid legal argument to deny it.
We don't subsidize booze and smokes. We tax the bejesus out of them!

You can carry on now. I'm still waiting to see who feels entitled to gubbermint money for breeding.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5643 Sep 19, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
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You have plenty of youth dysfunction in the poor sections of Chicago and Detroit. They murder each other and bystanders get shot. An academic student was gunned down a while back. So many articles it is hard to keep track. Most come from single parent families doomed to live in poverty. Your point is patently absurd. Should Detroit be the blueprint for your area? The state has no interest? You are absolutely crazy. You might have a point in that the state may have an interest in this continuing madness by robbing everybody of their constitutional rights under the guise of protection.
<quoted text> Are you having trouble keeping up? Short term memory loss? You wrote the state does not have any interest in the raising of children. The claim is absurd. I pointed it out.
But the State DOES keep it's collective mouth shut on MANY things.

The question is whether the State properly supports ALL children or does it use legal shell games to deny some groups the same resources given to others.

Do divorced parents or unwed parents get all the opportunities that others get? Do they get unfairly prejudicial insurance rates or lesser pay in the workplace? Certainly the kids are impacted by such things.

No, sorry to say, the gubbermint needs to come clean and renounce ALL of their behavior modification tricks, ALL their social engineering programs, ALL their unequal punishments, and ALL of their lying. It WILL come back to do more than haunt them. Every generation of children is taught their place in the class warfare and it won't be long until it ALL becomes real warfare.

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#5644 Sep 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>So, you claim the KKK would be right to sue a Jewish photographer who refused to service their rally? What kind of bad law is that?
PC leftist fascist law, new government regulation of business morality. Socialist, leftist destruction of fundamental institutions like marriage and family.
Basically, your argument is that any business owner should always be allowed to turn away any member of the public, for any reason, and that all the laws preventing such things in the past, and today, were wrong-headed and should be overturned because they infringe on a religious person's right to discriminate against minorities?

All because you hate the idea of gay folks marrying?

Sorry, it's just not going to happen.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#5645 Sep 19, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>But the State DOES keep it's collective mouth shut on MANY things.
The question is whether the State properly supports ALL children or does it use legal shell games to deny some groups the same resources given to others.
Do divorced parents or unwed parents get all the opportunities that others get? Do they get unfairly prejudicial insurance rates or lesser pay in the workplace? Certainly the kids are impacted by such things.
No, sorry to say, the gubbermint needs to come clean and renounce ALL of their behavior modification tricks, ALL their social engineering programs, ALL their unequal punishments, and ALL of their lying. It WILL come back to do more than haunt them. Every generation of children is taught their place in the class warfare and it won't be long until it ALL becomes real warfare.
If you try to remove and erase all 1200 or so benefits and protections of marriage, you will have a fight on your hand. It is will be your own friends and family that lead the charge.

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#5646 Sep 19, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Basically, your argument is that any business owner should always be allowed to turn away any member of the public, for any reason, and that all the laws preventing such things in the past, and today, were wrong-headed and should be overturned because they infringe on a religious person's right to discriminate against minorities?
All because you hate the idea of gay folks marrying?
Sorry, it's just not going to happen.
I'd just take the opportunity to point out that ss marriage is an oxymoron.

Want a cake that says that?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#5647 Sep 19, 2013
Quest wrote:
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If you try to remove and erase all 1200 or so benefits and protections of marriage, you will have a fight on your hand. It is will be your own friends and family that lead the charge.
Ss couples don't qualify for the rights and benefits of marriage. Get your own.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5648 Sep 19, 2013
Quest wrote:
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If you try to remove and erase all 1200 or so benefits and protections of marriage, you will have a fight on your hand. It is will be your own friends and family that lead the charge.
You certainly know nothing about me! I most certainly accept that fight! Anything less would be prejudicial hypocrisy!

Put an end to the lies, lies and more lies.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5649 Sep 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Ss couples don't qualify for the rights and benefits of marriage. Get your own.
He's trying to. Who the *uck do you think you are to say who qualifies for what?

Spill it! Put it RIGHT out there for everyone to see. Do you think that everyone who isn't breeding is compelled to work for those who do?

All I want is a yes or no. That's all I'm interested in hearing.

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#5650 Sep 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd just take the opportunity to point out that ss marriage is an oxymoron.
Want a cake that says that?
Smile.
You should probably get a divorce, given that your marriage is now a sterile plural marriage. If you can't breed babies, you're not pleasing in God's eyes.

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#5651 Sep 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Ss couples don't qualify for the rights and benefits of marriage. Get your own.
Of course they do. What disqualifies them? Please explain, but without your now-famous "cross cultural constraint..." line. Why should government take a compelling interest in how or whether two people of ANY orientation chose to become each other's legal spouse? This should be easy for you, right?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#5652 Sep 20, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
He's trying to. Who the *uck do you think you are to say who qualifies for what?
Spill it! Put it RIGHT out there for everyone to see. Do you think that everyone who isn't breeding is compelled to work for those who do?
All I want is a yes or no. That's all I'm interested in hearing.
Society has an interest in promoting healthy families.

My wife has a co-worker (has two children) who is living with her boyfriend. They don't get married because she would lose her HUD housing. He doesn't make as much as she does with all the government support she makes.

The government is subsidizing single parents. Now we want to add two guys taking support intended for stay at home mothers and children.

Women are doing everything a man can do, the government is in the role of husband and father, and men are doing nothing.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#5653 Sep 20, 2013
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>Of course they do. What disqualifies them? Please explain, but without your now-famous "cross cultural constraint..." line. Why should government take a compelling interest in how or whether two people of ANY orientation chose to become each other's legal spouse? This should be easy for you, right?
See my last post.

Civil rights can address legitimate rights. Get your own relationship.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#5654 Sep 20, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Society has an interest in promoting healthy families.
My wife has a co-worker (has two children) who is living with her boyfriend. They don't get married because she would lose her HUD housing. He doesn't make as much as she does with all the government support she makes.
The government is subsidizing single parents. Now we want to add two guys taking support intended for stay at home mothers and children.
Women are doing everything a man can do, the government is in the role of husband and father, and men are doing nothing.
It's understood. You won't provide a simple yes or no.

The Gays are right to want their rights enshrined in the Constitution. It's very simple. You expect others to accept charity and to keep their mouths shut or risk losing it.

Too bad for them that they chose to exploit a minority group in their efforts to keep up with the Jones's. That's just one road to Hell paved with good intentions. Yours is another.

The only way that anyone can have real freedom is to have the means to control their own destiny. You're a liar. A LIAR! You're just the kind of liar who prefers to keep the truth to yourself while you smugly call yourself a leader. But I never voted for you and have no intention to.

This is why you have a world of teenage know-it-alls. They know that mom and dad are convinced of their self-important righteousness. They live in the now. They know that the only future is a future where the powers that be are driven to their own downfall. They can't be good citizens so their only choice is to be bad slaves.

Don't tell me about the need for proper parents in this world. You're the worst kind of failure that gets called parenting. You're the plebeian masses that have lied, lied, lied about your control over your own destiny. You have no control over your destinies and your kids are determined to make sure that you can't use them in your last lying effort to exploit their own children!

What a pathetic group.
Huh

Owatonna, MN

#5655 Sep 20, 2013
How come the far right is so filled with hate and bigotry that they want big government control on love and marriage...
Florida Gator

Alexandria, VA

#5656 Sep 20, 2013
Huh wrote:
How come the far right is so filled with hate and bigotry that they want big government control on love and marriage...
Were you born stupid or do you work at it daily??????????

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#5657 Sep 20, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
It's understood. You won't provide a simple yes or no.
The Gays are right to want their rights enshrined in the Constitution. It's very simple. You expect others to accept charity and to keep their mouths shut or risk losing it.
Too bad for them that they chose to exploit a minority group in their efforts to keep up with the Jones's. That's just one road to Hell paved with good intentions. Yours is another.
The only way that anyone can have real freedom is to have the means to control their own destiny. You're a liar. A LIAR! You're just the kind of liar who prefers to keep the truth to yourself while you smugly call yourself a leader. But I never voted for you and have no intention to.
This is why you have a world of teenage know-it-alls. They know that mom and dad are convinced of their self-important righteousness. They live in the now. They know that the only future is a future where the powers that be are driven to their own downfall. They can't be good citizens so their only choice is to be bad slaves.
Don't tell me about the need for proper parents in this world. You're the worst kind of failure that gets called parenting. You're the plebeian masses that have lied, lied, lied about your control over your own destiny. You have no control over your destinies and your kids are determined to make sure that you can't use them in your last lying effort to exploit their own children!
What a pathetic group.
I am under no obligation to give you a yes or no answer.

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