Gay marriage

Full story: Los Angeles Times

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.
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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#5107 Sep 1, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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There is nothing normal about it and, in fact, it would bring mankind to and end. Thank whomever you wish for normal couples.
oh get freakin' real1 you cannot really be that stupid, can you?

lets look at the facts here...there has always been honmosexuals and in pretty much the same percentage, and the human race has done just fine. in fact, overpopulation is one of our greatest problems.

seems the real world facts say you are absolutely, completely wrong,a s anyone with an ounce of logic in them would be able to see.

seems your prejudice and bigotry has turned you into a blathering idiot making a complete ass out of himself...it usually does that to people

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#5108 Sep 1, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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There is nothing normal about it
It's perfectly normal for gays. It wouldn't be normal for straight people. But it doesn't change the fact each sexual orientation is a normal variant of human sexuality. Your personal opinion has no relevance.
Wondering wrote:
and, in fact, it would bring mankind to and end.
Thank whomever you wish for normal couples.
Only if all people were gay. However, gays have been a small minority of the population throughout recorded history and our species has yet to end due to lack of procreation. Just as the small percentage of infertile straight people has brought humanity to an end.
Gay_But_Not_Gay

India

#5110 Sep 1, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and this has what to do with the fact that your statement was incorrect and there isn't anything in this world to suggest that same sex couples will be any worse or better parents than same sex couples. in fact, all the real world examples i see clearly suggest the do just the same.
Wait. Don't rush to conclusions. I was never wrong in the 1st place.
These researches also say that the children 'ADAPT' to these peculiar situations. So, admittedly it is not their natural settings. They being reared as infants and mostly being orphans have allowed their intelligence and survival instincts to 'ADAPT' to the given weird circumstances. Any sensitive, intelligent kid would normally behave in the way I described in my earlier posts, but given the limitations of their choice in the case of orphans, they feel better off with these people than being in the dumps.
First they 'ADOPT' weird lifestyles, then they 'ADOPT' children with the knowledge that the chlidren possess human intelligence to 'ADAPT' to any environment. This could be the worst sin inflicted on children. There are hand raised tiger cubs. How normal is this?
So, their parenting is not 'normal'. Children don't have to 'ADAPT' in heterosex parenting.
Anyhow, these researches are not anything to speak of. They claim that homosex is congenital, which is incorrect. My angst is this - Why edify a wrong, through marriage and children, when it is a mere socio-psychological condition for which there is a way out as suggested by me in my earlier posts. It is becos of misguiding researches that homos have chosen to live with their lot and also consider cementing it further through 'marriage' & 'parenting'.
Gay_But_Not_Gay

India

#5111 Sep 1, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and this has what to do with the fact that your statement was incorrect and there isn't anything in this world to suggest that same sex couples will be any worse or better parents than same sex couples. in fact, all the real world examples i see clearly suggest the do just the same.
Also, exerting body parts in unnatural ways cause them to malfunction or dysfunction or manifest as disease, disorders. The genitals are no different. I shudder to think of the trauma of anal intercourse. It is not as if these people are saints, raising orphans. They are upto no good in the 1st place.
Gay_But_Not_Gay

Chennai, India

#5112 Sep 1, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and this has what to do with the fact that your statement was incorrect and there isn't anything in this world to suggest that same sex couples will be any worse or better parents than same sex couples. in fact, all the real world examples i see clearly suggest the do just the same.
If there is a problem with heterosex relationships, we have to work on them, instead of encouraging or glorifying deviant behaviour, as you now do. And you proudly say you go about suggesting this? WOW!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5113 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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Wait. Don't rush to conclusions. I was never wrong in the 1st place.
These researches also say that the children 'ADAPT' to these peculiar situations. So, admittedly it is not their natural settings...
That's a incorrect assumption about the meaning of "adapt" as used in the Social Sciences, AND it's a prime filter of your understanding of what you read and the conclusions you have drawn from it. Because your premise is false, so are your conclusions.

In Social Science usage, every living thing adapts to everything in it's environment. Existence REQUIRES adaptability. In clinical mental health, as well as the research branches, adaptivity is the mark of health. Inability/Failure to adapt (maladaptivity) is symptomatic of problems. In fact, it is a prime benchmark.

In the disciplines, "adaptivity" has come to replace older terms, such as "adjustment" and "coping skills".

Every child born has to adapt to the world. Some biological instincts make certain stages of adaptation easier; one of these has been termed the "limerence effect" (that protobonding state that can establish between child and parent figure in the first weeks of life). Jokes have been quipped that without it, and the endorphins triggered by the intensity of labor, mothers might kill the little parasite for all the pain it has just caused, and fathers for the stress, fuss and sleep deprivation from diapers and 3am feedings. This limerence bonding is not only between mother and newborn, however, but is manifested in the state that is known as "falling in love". The birth process is not required for it to occur for the adults in the parenting situation. Infants enter limerence through facial patterning.

Most modern adoptions occur immediately after birth to facilitate this first imprinting process. Infants given this process have been demonstrated to achieve this first adaptation to it's parents sooner rather than later.

For older adoptees, other issues unique to each child's prior life experience come into play.
Gay_But_Not_Gay

Bangalore, India

#5114 Sep 2, 2013
snyper wrote:
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That's a incorrect assumption about the meaning of "adapt" as used in the Social Sciences, AND it's a prime filter of your understanding of what you read and the conclusions you have drawn from it. Because your premise is false, so are your conclusions.
In Social Science usage, every living thing adapts to everything in it's environment. Existence REQUIRES adaptability. In clinical mental health, as well as the research branches, adaptivity is the mark of health. Inability/Failure to adapt (maladaptivity) is symptomatic of problems. In fact, it is a prime benchmark.
In the disciplines, "adaptivity" has come to replace older terms, such as "adjustment" and "coping skills".
Every child born has to adapt to the world. Some biological instincts make certain stages of adaptation easier; one of these has been termed the "limerence effect" (that protobonding state that can establish between child and parent figure in the first weeks of life). Jokes have been quipped that without it, and the endorphins triggered by the intensity of labor, mothers might kill the little parasite for all the pain it has just caused, and fathers for the stress, fuss and sleep deprivation from diapers and 3am feedings. This limerence bonding is not only between mother and newborn, however, but is manifested in the state that is known as "falling in love". The birth process is not required for it to occur for the adults in the parenting situation. Infants enter limerence through facial patterning.
Most modern adoptions occur immediately after birth to facilitate this first imprinting process. Infants given this process have been demonstrated to achieve this first adaptation to it's parents sooner rather than later.
For older adoptees, other issues unique to each child's prior life experience come into play.
Yeah? We may brilliantly create artificial bonding between a new born and the homo parent by mimicking the natural bonding of biological parents. Children evolve independently beyond this 'Limerence' stage. They are not animals. They have evolving intelligence, which is why 'older adoptees' will not accept any kind of situation dished out to them. And as they grow within the homosexual setup they choose to 'adapt' to this setup, for various socio-economic concerns. This is not the case with hetereosex parenting.
Homosexual parenting is a vested interest, a manifestation of a disbaility rather than choice. Mimicking of natural parental bonding will not take this far.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#5115 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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If there is a problem with heterosex relationships, we have to work on them, instead of encouraging or glorifying deviant behaviour, as you now do. And you proudly say you go about suggesting this? WOW!
nothing deviant at all about homosexuality. it is a normal, natural part of our species.

the majority of people in our society agree with this statement...all the facts agree with this statement.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#5116 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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Also, exerting body parts in unnatural ways cause them to malfunction or dysfunction or manifest as disease, disorders. The genitals are no different. I shudder to think of the trauma of anal intercourse. It is not as if these people are saints, raising orphans. They are upto no good in the 1st place.
far more heterosexuals engage in anal sex and other forms of sodomy than homosexuals do, and they seem to do just fine, as do homosexuals...

you seem to have serious issues with real facts and the real world in front of you, don't you?

prejudice often does blind people from the truth, you should take off your blinders of prejudice and join the real world, and humanity...

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#5117 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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Yeah? We may brilliantly create artificial bonding between a new born and the homo parent by mimicking the natural bonding of biological parents....
You seem a little confused. Gay people can be the biological parent of a child, or they can adopt children in the same way that many heterosexuals do.

Nothing "artificial" about parents, My Dear. It's a lot of real life, real love, and hard work.

And those children, either biological or adopted, ALL can benefit from having married parents in the same way that every other child can, if their parents put in the love and commitment necessary.

Can you explain your dislike for adoption? And what would you promote as a better alternative, one less "artificial" for those children who were created out of irresponsible heterosexual fornication?

Euthanasia?
Huh

Owatonna, MN

#5119 Sep 2, 2013
The far right always fights progress. They always have lost also.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#5120 Sep 2, 2013
Liberals R Defective wrote:
More hate from Sir Richard Pump a Loaf. Gosh, you eminate such a warm, caring vibe that who wouldn't want to agree with your perverted outlook on life.? Bunny. Your a textbook of homosexual stereotypes.
Sweetie, I don't hate folk who think like you do, you just aren't worth that kind of effort.
Mose Chicas

Crownsville, MD

#5122 Sep 2, 2013
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Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5123 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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Yeah? We may brilliantly create artificial bonding between a new born and the homo parent by mimicking the natural bonding of biological parents. Children evolve independently beyond this 'Limerence' stage. They are not animals. They have evolving intelligence, which is why 'older adoptees' will not accept any kind of situation dished out to them. And as they grow within the homosexual setup they choose to 'adapt' to this setup, for various socio-economic concerns. This is not the case with hetereosex parenting.
Homosexual parenting is a vested interest, a manifestation of a disbaility rather than choice. Mimicking of natural parental bonding will not take this far.
Nope.

You really need to get out of your ideological prejudices and try to grasp the Social Sciences.

Again, adaptivity is what ALL living things do. If they do it well, they succeed; if not, they don't. That's just the science.

Also again, even babies raised by their bio-parents need to adapt to them. It doesn't always happen, and for many reasons.

You're engaging in a fallacy of reasoning. Several, actually.

I think you need to start providing some supporting links for your "should"s. lol

But first, consult these as starting points prior to further discussion along this or any line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacie...

Of interest:

" ... research on The Mental and Social Life of Babies suggested that the "parent-infant system," rather than a bond between biologically related individuals, is an evolved fit between innate behavior patterns of all human infants and equally evolved responses of human adults to those infant behaviors. Thus nature "ensures some initial flexibility with respect to the particular adults who take on the parental role ...

- Kaye, K (1982). The Mental and Social Life of Babies. Univ. Chicago Press. p. 261. ISBN 0226428486

You can get a bare overview of the topics involved here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theor...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_bonding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbic_resonance
Gay_But_Not_Gay

Bangalore, India

#5125 Sep 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>nothing deviant at all about homosexuality. it is a normal, natural part of our species.
the majority of people in our society agree with this statement...all the facts agree with this statement.
No Ma'am. I did'nt expect this from a grandma. When our body parts serve specific functions, using them in ways not intended is abuse and not okay.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5126 Sep 2, 2013
Huh wrote:
The far right always fights progress. They always have lost also.
Not "always", but mostly ... eventually.
Gay_But_Not_Gay

Bangalore, India

#5127 Sep 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>far more heterosexuals engage in anal sex and other forms of sodomy than homosexuals do, and they seem to do just fine, as do homosexuals...
you seem to have serious issues with real facts and the real world in front of you, don't you?
prejudice often does blind people from the truth, you should take off your blinders of prejudice and join the real world, and humanity...
Being open to all things and having an option is different, but doing it as a compulsion is again another thing. It is this compulsion which makes it a disorder.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#5129 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
Being open to all things and having an option is different, but doing it as a compulsion is again another thing. It is this compulsion which makes it a disorder.
In your rationalization, but not in reality.

Feel free to cite a peer reviewed study, or the opinion of a medical, scientific, or academic organization that supports your opinion. Merely making a statement does not render that statement true.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5130 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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Being open to all things and having an option is different, but doing it as a compulsion is again another thing. It is this compulsion which makes it a disorder.
You've tossed around two terms of the mental health profession: "compulsion" and "disorder".

What are your credentials to be doing so?

Barring that, where are the links to APA/ASA-based sites that support your lay opinion?
Gay_But_Not_Gay

Bangalore, India

#5134 Sep 2, 2013
snyper wrote:
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You've tossed around two terms of the mental health profession: "compulsion" and "disorder".
What are your credentials to be doing so?
Barring that, where are the links to APA/ASA-based sites that support your lay opinion?
My credentials?
1. Just now I gave myself a doctorate on homo behaviour and psychology.
2. You only need enough discretionary sense to know the right from the wrong (not in the moral or religious sense, but in reference to existential relevance)- Don't have to go to medical college or pour over wikipedia for this.

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