Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61391 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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Gay_But_Not_Gay

India

#5114 Sep 2, 2013
snyper wrote:
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That's a incorrect assumption about the meaning of "adapt" as used in the Social Sciences, AND it's a prime filter of your understanding of what you read and the conclusions you have drawn from it. Because your premise is false, so are your conclusions.
In Social Science usage, every living thing adapts to everything in it's environment. Existence REQUIRES adaptability. In clinical mental health, as well as the research branches, adaptivity is the mark of health. Inability/Failure to adapt (maladaptivity) is symptomatic of problems. In fact, it is a prime benchmark.
In the disciplines, "adaptivity" has come to replace older terms, such as "adjustment" and "coping skills".
Every child born has to adapt to the world. Some biological instincts make certain stages of adaptation easier; one of these has been termed the "limerence effect" (that protobonding state that can establish between child and parent figure in the first weeks of life). Jokes have been quipped that without it, and the endorphins triggered by the intensity of labor, mothers might kill the little parasite for all the pain it has just caused, and fathers for the stress, fuss and sleep deprivation from diapers and 3am feedings. This limerence bonding is not only between mother and newborn, however, but is manifested in the state that is known as "falling in love". The birth process is not required for it to occur for the adults in the parenting situation. Infants enter limerence through facial patterning.
Most modern adoptions occur immediately after birth to facilitate this first imprinting process. Infants given this process have been demonstrated to achieve this first adaptation to it's parents sooner rather than later.
For older adoptees, other issues unique to each child's prior life experience come into play.
Yeah? We may brilliantly create artificial bonding between a new born and the homo parent by mimicking the natural bonding of biological parents. Children evolve independently beyond this 'Limerence' stage. They are not animals. They have evolving intelligence, which is why 'older adoptees' will not accept any kind of situation dished out to them. And as they grow within the homosexual setup they choose to 'adapt' to this setup, for various socio-economic concerns. This is not the case with hetereosex parenting.
Homosexual parenting is a vested interest, a manifestation of a disbaility rather than choice. Mimicking of natural parental bonding will not take this far.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#5115 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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If there is a problem with heterosex relationships, we have to work on them, instead of encouraging or glorifying deviant behaviour, as you now do. And you proudly say you go about suggesting this? WOW!
nothing deviant at all about homosexuality. it is a normal, natural part of our species.

the majority of people in our society agree with this statement...all the facts agree with this statement.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#5116 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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Also, exerting body parts in unnatural ways cause them to malfunction or dysfunction or manifest as disease, disorders. The genitals are no different. I shudder to think of the trauma of anal intercourse. It is not as if these people are saints, raising orphans. They are upto no good in the 1st place.
far more heterosexuals engage in anal sex and other forms of sodomy than homosexuals do, and they seem to do just fine, as do homosexuals...

you seem to have serious issues with real facts and the real world in front of you, don't you?

prejudice often does blind people from the truth, you should take off your blinders of prejudice and join the real world, and humanity...

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#5117 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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Yeah? We may brilliantly create artificial bonding between a new born and the homo parent by mimicking the natural bonding of biological parents....
You seem a little confused. Gay people can be the biological parent of a child, or they can adopt children in the same way that many heterosexuals do.

Nothing "artificial" about parents, My Dear. It's a lot of real life, real love, and hard work.

And those children, either biological or adopted, ALL can benefit from having married parents in the same way that every other child can, if their parents put in the love and commitment necessary.

Can you explain your dislike for adoption? And what would you promote as a better alternative, one less "artificial" for those children who were created out of irresponsible heterosexual fornication?

Euthanasia?
Huh

Faribault, MN

#5119 Sep 2, 2013
The far right always fights progress. They always have lost also.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#5120 Sep 2, 2013
Liberals R Defective wrote:
More hate from Sir Richard Pump a Loaf. Gosh, you eminate such a warm, caring vibe that who wouldn't want to agree with your perverted outlook on life.? Bunny. Your a textbook of homosexual stereotypes.
Sweetie, I don't hate folk who think like you do, you just aren't worth that kind of effort.
Mose Chicas

Ashburn, VA

#5122 Sep 2, 2013
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Since: Mar 09

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#5123 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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Yeah? We may brilliantly create artificial bonding between a new born and the homo parent by mimicking the natural bonding of biological parents. Children evolve independently beyond this 'Limerence' stage. They are not animals. They have evolving intelligence, which is why 'older adoptees' will not accept any kind of situation dished out to them. And as they grow within the homosexual setup they choose to 'adapt' to this setup, for various socio-economic concerns. This is not the case with hetereosex parenting.
Homosexual parenting is a vested interest, a manifestation of a disbaility rather than choice. Mimicking of natural parental bonding will not take this far.
Nope.

You really need to get out of your ideological prejudices and try to grasp the Social Sciences.

Again, adaptivity is what ALL living things do. If they do it well, they succeed; if not, they don't. That's just the science.

Also again, even babies raised by their bio-parents need to adapt to them. It doesn't always happen, and for many reasons.

You're engaging in a fallacy of reasoning. Several, actually.

I think you need to start providing some supporting links for your "should"s. lol

But first, consult these as starting points prior to further discussion along this or any line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacie...

Of interest:

" ... research on The Mental and Social Life of Babies suggested that the "parent-infant system," rather than a bond between biologically related individuals, is an evolved fit between innate behavior patterns of all human infants and equally evolved responses of human adults to those infant behaviors. Thus nature "ensures some initial flexibility with respect to the particular adults who take on the parental role ...”

- Kaye, K (1982). The Mental and Social Life of Babies. Univ. Chicago Press. p. 261. ISBN 0226428486

You can get a bare overview of the topics involved here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theor...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_bonding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbic_resonance
Gay_But_Not_Gay

Chennai, India

#5125 Sep 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>nothing deviant at all about homosexuality. it is a normal, natural part of our species.
the majority of people in our society agree with this statement...all the facts agree with this statement.
No Ma'am. I did'nt expect this from a grandma. When our body parts serve specific functions, using them in ways not intended is abuse and not okay.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5126 Sep 2, 2013
Huh wrote:
The far right always fights progress. They always have lost also.
Not "always", but mostly ... eventually.
Gay_But_Not_Gay

Chennai, India

#5127 Sep 2, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>far more heterosexuals engage in anal sex and other forms of sodomy than homosexuals do, and they seem to do just fine, as do homosexuals...
you seem to have serious issues with real facts and the real world in front of you, don't you?
prejudice often does blind people from the truth, you should take off your blinders of prejudice and join the real world, and humanity...
Being open to all things and having an option is different, but doing it as a compulsion is again another thing. It is this compulsion which makes it a disorder.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#5129 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
Being open to all things and having an option is different, but doing it as a compulsion is again another thing. It is this compulsion which makes it a disorder.
In your rationalization, but not in reality.

Feel free to cite a peer reviewed study, or the opinion of a medical, scientific, or academic organization that supports your opinion. Merely making a statement does not render that statement true.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5130 Sep 2, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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Being open to all things and having an option is different, but doing it as a compulsion is again another thing. It is this compulsion which makes it a disorder.
You've tossed around two terms of the mental health profession: "compulsion" and "disorder".

What are your credentials to be doing so?

Barring that, where are the links to APA/ASA-based sites that support your lay opinion?
Gay_But_Not_Gay

India

#5134 Sep 2, 2013
snyper wrote:
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You've tossed around two terms of the mental health profession: "compulsion" and "disorder".
What are your credentials to be doing so?
Barring that, where are the links to APA/ASA-based sites that support your lay opinion?
My credentials?
1. Just now I gave myself a doctorate on homo behaviour and psychology.
2. You only need enough discretionary sense to know the right from the wrong (not in the moral or religious sense, but in reference to existential relevance)- Don't have to go to medical college or pour over wikipedia for this.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5135 Sep 3, 2013
Liberals R Defective wrote:
<quoted text> I'm sure you've got all the answers, doc.
I'm retired, but I do keep up with the literature.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5136 Sep 3, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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My credentials?
1. Just now I gave myself a doctorate on homo behaviour and psychology.
2. You only need enough discretionary sense to know the right from the wrong (not in the moral or religious sense, but in reference to existential relevance)- Don't have to go to medical college or pour over wikipedia for this.
Those were clinical terms. Now you're spouting and misapplying Philosophy vocab.

Do you have credentials for anything?

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#5137 Sep 3, 2013
All in all, its a wash:
Terra_Firma wrote:
There are denominations of both Judaism and Christianity that marry same sex couples, Brian. Why do you constantly lie?
woodtick57 wrote:
good thing those silly proven false religious cults have not one iota of say in our legal system...
sad they have anything at all to do with our modern, rational world...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5138 Sep 3, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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My credentials?
1. Just now I gave myself a doctorate on homo behaviour and psychology.
2. You only need enough discretionary sense to know the right from the wrong (not in the moral or religious sense, but in reference to existential relevance)- Don't have to go to medical college or pour over wikipedia for this.
And you're not just ignorant, but stubbornly ignorant to boot.

stubborn ignorance = stupid

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#5139 Sep 3, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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My credentials?
1. Just now I gave myself a doctorate on homo behaviour and psychology.
...
I other words, you are a fool.

That's sad.
anonymous

Köln, Germany

#5140 Sep 3, 2013
Gay_But_Not_Gay wrote:
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My credentials?
1. Just now I gave myself a doctorate on homo behaviour and psychology.
2. You only need enough discretionary sense to know the right from the wrong (not in the moral or religious sense, but in reference to existential relevance)- Don't have to go to medical college or pour over wikipedia for this.
I suppose you see what a waste of time it is to debate with rational ideas on this thread.

Here's the part that I think you're missing.

What we have here is a "one hand washing the other" political mechanism that is really unique to Western European culture. Liberals use gays as a litmus test of loyalty. What it really is, is a recent trend to co-opt liberalism to a matriarchal agenda.

Gays can sit here and experiment on you for ever and ever and a liberal won't budge. They're obedient to the matriarchy and no longer even have an interest in a masculine role. It's all been absorbed in a desire to be in a higher class of society.

Now, the gays themselves have had a long time to experiment and what they've really come up with is a cycle of passive-aggressive arguments, mixed with acting out on their own compulsive tendencies. Notice how often you've been called "sweetie".

Yep! They get off on it! Continuing to indulge this is only amusing westerners who are really in a state of cultural breakdown. They have no goals because our culture has succumb to blind financial ambition. To them, you're just the day's entertainment, playing pop-goes-the-weasel with a nutjob. They're smoking a joint, witting on their butts, talking trash, while you have an aroused chimp jumping all over you.

The only supporters you'll find here are Jesus creeps who are just as marginalized and turned into litmus tests by Western conservatives.

Now, the question I would pose is, do you embrace the ridged caste system of India, or are you actually here out of some sort of curiosity? This discussion is as played out as a stereotypical Batman-vs-Joker story. Yes, they're nutty as it gets. Yes, arguing with them only make them nuttier. If you're just re-enforcing your own beliefs, you'll just get the monkeys flinging poo at you, and you may have had it coming to you!

Don't waste time on American culture. They're a train wreck in progress. Better off to let it happen the way it is supposed to happen.

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