Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61384 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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Uncle Sam

Beckley, WV

#42970 Apr 16, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Are you saying god was wrong to demand stonings?
God is never wrong. Everything in its season.

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Uncle Sam

Beckley, WV

#42971 Apr 16, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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So, god creates people a certain way, the people have no control over being that way, and then he torments them for all time for being that way?
They torment themselves by not turning to God and make use of the gift He has given them.

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Uncle Sam

Beckley, WV

#42972 Apr 16, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Saul murdered Jesus' brother James. Why should I care about his rants?
With Jesus there is forgiveness and even if he had killed St James Jesus would have forgiven him. This says your no Jesus.

Give book, chapter and verse where St Paul killed St James.

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Uncle Sam

Beckley, WV

#42973 Apr 16, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Are you saying god was wrong to demand stonings?
Who gave the Law? Moses! Moses gave the people the right to divorce but this is not what God wanted from the beginning. It was because of the hardness of their hearts Moses gave the people the right to divorce. And since God approved of Moses as the Law Giver He accepted what the Law Moses gave the people. Jesus did away with divorce as He did with stoning.

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Uncle Sam

Beckley, WV

#42974 Apr 16, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I see it more as nature's birth control to prevent overpopulation of the species.
It would only be a defect if a gay man was unable to have sex with & impregnate a woman.
We can, so it's not.
Homosexuality is simply natural population control.
Btw, every old geezers thinks society has changed for the worse in their lifetime. That's how you know you're old.
You say homosexuality is natural birth control. That is really funny.

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Uncle Sam

Beckley, WV

#42975 Apr 16, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Are you saying god was wrong to demand stonings?
If Moses gave the people the right to divorce because of the hardness of the peoples hearts, some practicing homosexuals may enter heaven if God recognizes their hardness of heart and has mercy on them.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#42976 Apr 16, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Dodge.
Ford.

If you ever offer up any argument which hasn't been smacked down by the last TEN STRAIGHT judicial rulings, then I'll address it specifically.

Otherwise it's like arguing whether slavery is legal in the US.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#42977 Apr 16, 2014
Uncle Sam wrote:
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You say homosexuality is natural birth control. That is really funny.
Correct. A certain percentage of the population is created without a desire to procreate with the opposite sex. This helps keep the population less than if all humans were heterosexual, but in case of a massive die off of the heterosexual population, the homosexuals CAN procreate if necessary to repopulate the planet.

In essence, we're the safety net for heterosexuals.

You're welcome.
poof

Madison, WI

#42978 Apr 16, 2014
Uncle Sam wrote:
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Who authorized King James to translate the Bible into English?
The consensus is St Paul is talking about homosexual acts:
" http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/... ;
The King did, its good to be King. With that being said who authorized any one to translate the original scriptures? None of that changes the fact that the word homosexual did not exist during the time of Jesus. None of that changes the fact that Jesus never spoke of man on man sex. In the OT eunuchs are mentioned, they are not homosexuals. In the KJV in the very passage you posted the term effeminate is used, that is not a homosexual. Its more along the line of male prostitute. In Leviticus, Jewish priests where told not to engage in sex with eunuchs
Is it possible that Jesus was Bisexual??
,I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Luke 17:34-35
Is it possible that only Gay men will be allowed into Heaven?
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In the last days ... men shall be ... without natural affection ... lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,... ever learning. 2 Timothy 3:1-7
poof

Madison, WI

#42979 Apr 16, 2014
Uncle Sam wrote:
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Who authorized King James to translate the Bible into English?
The consensus is St Paul is talking about homosexual acts:
" http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/... ;
Don't take my word for it, here is what a Jewish Rabi has to say

As a result of this serious research, Rabbi Steinberg-Caudill is completely convinced that THE ORIGINAL HEBREW TEXTS OF THE TORAH (the Hebrew Chumash - the Five Books of Moses) HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SAY CONCERNING HOMOSEXUALITY AS WE UNDERSTAND THE TERM "HOMOSEXUALITY" TO MEAN IN TODAYS WORLD!

Sadly, the reality of our human history is that the texts of Leviticus (and Deuteronomy) which were utilized by the teachers and rabbis of the Jewish tradition to condemn homosexuality, were so employed under a direct and constant danger and THREAT from the dominant and controlling Christian governmental and ecclesiastical authorities who needed to have the "perceived" Jewish interpretation of the texts, as taught by the Jewish rabbinical authorities, to be in accordance with their own Christian commentaries and teachings on homosexuality and what they believed (falsely) to be sexual perversion. Thus, they kept a close watch on what the Jewish rabbis wrote about subjects sensitive to Church dogma.

This period of the condemnation of homosexuals, coincides with similar condemnation edicts against witches, healers, and heretics which began mostly in the 4th to 6th centuries of the common era (CE), which was at least 1500 years after the original texts of Leviticus and Deuteronomy was codified into the Hebrew Torah. This condemnation was largely misplaced and did not represent the actual views of the writers and compilers of either Leviticus or Deuteronomy.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ecorebbe/id18.html
poof

Madison, WI

#42980 Apr 16, 2014
Uncle Sam wrote:
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God is never wrong. Everything in its season.
Go figure we have the OT and the original covenant. Then we have the NT and a new covenant. One can only wonder why God changed his mind. Error or change of heart.
poof

Madison, WI

#42981 Apr 16, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Christians used to kill southpaws.
Not sure but I think that had something to do with using the wrong hand to wipe with. Think about it, the first Christians where from the Middle East, they eat with the right wipe with the left.
poof

Madison, WI

#42982 Apr 16, 2014
Uncle Sam wrote:
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Who gave the Law? Moses! Moses gave the people the right to divorce but this is not what God wanted from the beginning. It was because of the hardness of their hearts Moses gave the people the right to divorce. And since God approved of Moses as the Law Giver He accepted what the Law Moses gave the people. Jesus did away with divorce as He did with stoning.
Your post applies to stoning how? I have yet to find in the NT where Jesus out laws stoning, Other than a few passages that demand Jews/ Christians follow secular law, I am sure that Fred Phelps would have loved to stone a few homosexuals

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#42983 Apr 16, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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An individual man is not an individual woman, so how can he marry like a woman?
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An individual woman is not an individual man, so how can she marry like a man?
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Then it's clear that current marriage laws violate equal protection, as both men and women are persons.
Pietro Armando wrote:
Do you mean when they left intact the legal understanding of marriage as a union of one man ad one woman as husband and wife, but removed the "race" restriction designed to maintain white supremacy?
No. I mean the Federal government changed VA's definition of marriage because their definition of marriage violated the 14th Amendment.
"This case presents a constitutional question never addressed by this Court: whether a statutory scheme adopted by the State of Virginia to prevent marriages between persons solely on the basis of racial classifications violates the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment.[n1] For reasons which seem to us to reflect the central meaning of those constitutional commands, we conclude that these statutes cannot stand consistently with the Fourteenth Amendment."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/...

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#42984 Apr 16, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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This from a woman who thinks "husband and wife" violates the 14th amendment.
Not on a Hallmark card.
Do try to be honest about my positions, fundie.
Pietro Armando wrote:
Mom and/or Dad works just fine.
Feel free to use those terms.
Pietro Armando wrote:
Welllll......I am continuing to talk to you.....
Hoping to learn and raise your intelligence level.
Pietro Armando wrote:
Guess you have to be a androgynous bizarro world thinking Glibtee.
Whatever

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#42985 Apr 16, 2014
Bruno wrote:
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Now you are seeing th picture.
Well, it's a good thing god doesn't exist.
abrbtbd

Aberdeen, UK

#42986 Apr 16, 2014
Face it, no one know that the bible is full on true so why is everyone obeying "gods rules" the bible was wrote by a different number of people!! I think the key to life is happiness and if being with the same sex makes you happy then go for it! God wouldn't create homosexuality if we was against it and, satan surely didn't create because he has no control over making our bodies! Therefore it cannot be a sin!! Please people, lighten up and follow your god! Not a book that's not even written by god or Jesus

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“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#42987 Apr 16, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality.
But same sex marriage is taboo.
And yet we have full federal recognition. Waa Waa Waa.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#42988 Apr 16, 2014
Uncle Sam wrote:
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God is never wrong. Everything in its season.
Did it every occur to you that God's season for SSM is now? Why do you presume to know more than Yahweh?

Since: Mar 09

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#42989 Apr 16, 2014
Uncle Sam wrote:
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If Moses gave the people the right to divorce because of the hardness of the peoples hearts, some practicing homosexuals may enter heaven if God recognizes their hardness of heart and has mercy on them.
You're missing the REAL point of that passage ... that Moshe did a little legislating all on his own; i.e. it's not ALL divine utterances.

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